not my Trump I identified him early as a big government liberal .I did not vote for him in 2016 I wrote in Cruz. However he has been a better President than I expected But I have no illusions that he will do anything regarding debt reduction .
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not my Trump I identified him early as a big government liberal .I did not vote for him in 2016 I wrote in Cruz. However he has been a better President than I expected But I have no illusions that he will do anything regarding debt reduction .
At some point, the U.S. may opt to default on their loans.....This sounds like a horrible idea but the U.S. can become self-sufficient in every meaningful way. The move will smash the Chinese economy and they would reciprocate by seizing U.S. manufacturing plants in China. Our Military strength would guarantee no reprisals from anyone in terms of debt collection......It is just a thought but we have to begin to think out of the box a little bit if we are to get out from under this mess...especially since we seem unable and unwilling to do what is right and stop spending money we don't have at our disposal.
Vac, you might want to read this first. Most of the debt is owed to US. Everything from the so-called Social Security Trust Fund to pension funds to Treasury Bonds. So if we default, it's going to devastate our own country.
https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-...l-debt-3306124
Bottom line. There's no free lunch.
jlisenbe: Then we need to begin borrowing like a mad man right now, especially from foreign banks and especially China, to pay down SS, pensions, and Treasury Bond....then, once those debts are paid off, default on the foreign bank loans, wreck the ChiComs economy and pass amendments that REQUIRE Federal Governments to balance the budget henceforth.
Yes. I'm sure they will all stand there and watch while we do this.
Why wouldn't we just pass the amendments now?
Repubs ain't got the heart or expertise to govern effectively having spent a decade building power with sycophants and butt kissers for a dufus who thinks he is a king! Go ahead use your power to keep building up the military budgets, but stop hollering about a balanced budget, and cutting stuff that benefits people.
You painted yourself in a stupid corner and want everybody else to help you out! Silly conservatives. You never learn, but you will get screwed like the rest of us when the dufus gets re elected.
Yeah. It's all the repubs fault. Sure would be nice if we could go back to the days of good ole "Balanced Budget Obama" again. What a wonderful role model he was. And that's not to mention, of course, the balanced budgets being put forward by this dem House.Quote:
Repubs ain't got the heart or expertise to govern effectively having spent a decade building power with sycophants and butt kissers for a dufus who thinks he is a king! Go ahead use your power to keep building up the military budgets, but stop hollering about a balanced budget, and cutting stuff that benefits people.
You painted yourself in a stupid corner and want everybody else to help you out! Silly conservatives. You never learn, but you will get screwed like the rest of us when the dufus gets re elected.
Says the guy who refuses to acknowledge the very real GFC, won't cut the military, LOVES his deficit funded rich guy tax cut while hollering about all the money that gets stolen from him and given to the underserving charity cases he hates, and blames liberals for what conservatives do. You just keep holding your nose and keep your head shoulder deep up dufus a$$!
For FACT it is repub fault!
Wow. Thank goodness you've given up being judgmental! Of course it's all the repub's fault. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with Obama doubling the national debt in only eight years, or in this dem House, where all spending must originate by law. Yes. It's bound to be Trump's fault. After all, you hate him so much, it just has to all be his fault.
Why is a simple statement of fact being judgemental? You scream the debt and deny the reason for it, and I'm judgmental? Blasting Obama for his debt he used to save the world is the lie you keep telling yourself to put down liberal accomplishments. and cover your own stupidity about the dufus. Dude you have a perfect right to exercise your prerogative to stick your head shoulder deep up the dufus arse, but don't lie and tell me I should do it too!
That's pretty idiotic but par for the course for ultra right wing conservatives. Eat your own dog food and stop blaming libs for your bad breath! You must think I'm as dumb as you blaming a dem house for anything after only a year on the job and repubs have had government lock stock and barrel for 6 years under Obama, and 2 under the dufus. Do they math and deal with reality that it is your fault and stop the bald face LIE it's somebody else fault.
You broke it you own it so pay up!
Yeah. How could anyone think a balanced, well-reasoned statement like this was judgmental? "You just keep holding your nose and keep your head shoulder deep up dufus a$$!" Or this one, "Dude you have a perfect right to exercise your prerogative to stick your head shoulder deep up the dufus arse, but don't lie and tell me I should do it too!" I'm sure you did a lot of research on those two. Does it have all the elements a person would expect coming from many hours of sound thinking, or does it just sound like the rantings of a judgmental, bitter, mean-spirited person? I vote for the second one. I'll bet the second one would win in a landslide. If you want to say you are non-judgmental, then at some point you actually have to BECOME non-judgmental. I don't really care what you say, but it would be nice to see a little honesty.
Blaming the House?? Have they proposed a balanced budget, or do they even talk about balancing a budget? And isn't it funny how, when the repubs had the House, they had the government "lock, stock, and barrel", but when the dems have the House, then it's more like they've only been on the job a year.
TDS. Pure and simple. Obama was wonderful and he couldn't possibly have been responsible for anything bad in your view. If a dem comes by your house and takes everything you own, then you would find a way to blame Trump for it. It's TDS and a severe case of it at that.
Don't like it when someone aggressively challenges your ideology do you? Too bad, your fault for not being an honest yourself! The dufus is peeing on Americas head and you love it and I don't. Now that's honest and no deep thought necessary. Add the inability to accept EVIDENCE and FACTS, is as dishonest as it gets for the guy wanting honesty. Just another thing you are incapable of processing.Quote:
Yeah. How could anyone think a balanced, well-reasoned statement like this was judgmental? "You just keep holding your nose and keep your head shoulder deep up dufus a$$!" Or this one, "Dude you have a perfect right to exercise your prerogative to stick your head shoulder deep up the dufus arse, but don't lie and tell me I should do it too!" I'm sure you did a lot of research on those two. Does it have all the elements a person would expect coming from many hours of sound thinking, or does it just sound like the rantings of a judgmental, bitter, mean-spirited person? I vote for the second one. I'll bet the second one would win in a landslide. If you want to say you are non-judgmental, then at some point you actually have to BECOME non-judgmental. I don't really care what you say, but it would be nice to see a little honesty.
How ridicules can you get? NO shame at not doing your own math bud! I mean how many balanced budgets has the repubs proposed when they had the house? You blame dems for that? What a maroon!Quote:
Blaming the House?? Have they proposed a balanced budget, or do they even talk about balancing a budget? And isn't it funny how, when the repubs had the House, they had the government "lock, stock, and barrel", but when the dems have the House, then it's more like they've only been on the job a year.
I see you don't mind adding dumb and deluded to ridicules in regard to your smatterings. I at least only blame repubs and the dufus for stuff he actually does. You can forget your pipe dream of helping you blast Obama. Do it by yourself and we will see what history says about them both.Quote:
TDS. Pure and simple. Obama was wonderful and he couldn't possibly have been responsible for anything bad in your view. If a dem comes by your house and takes everything you own, then you would find a way to blame Trump for it. It's TDS and a severe case of it at that.
That's what you call it? Oh. I thought you were just being intentionally insulting since you couldn't think of anything thoughtful to say.Quote:
Don't like it when someone aggressively challenges your ideology do you?
Obviously.Quote:
Now that's honest and no deep thought necessary
Yet more evidence of deep thought. I have said all along that BOTH parties are guilty. You are the only one living in your fantasy world.Quote:
How ridicules can you get? NO shame at not doing your own math bud! I mean how many balanced budgets has the repubs proposed when they had the house? You blame dems for that? What a maroon!
I will admit when someone makes sly insults instead of cogient statements I do tend to get aggressive. I'm not easily dismissed either, when my questions get ducked. You can expect to be pressed as I have asked for your math concerning the widening of income inequality. Not use to people running like scalded dogs from simple questions and that tends to raise my suspicions.
No you haven't. I never raised the issue. My point was the median income showing that the country is better off than 30 years ago. That is unquestionably true. If you want to make a point about income inequality, then go for it, but don't expect me to do your math or research for you.Quote:
You can expect to be pressed as I have asked for your math concerning the widening of income inequality.
I have not run from your questions.Quote:
Not use to people running like scalded dogs from simple questions and that tends to raise my suspicions.
You mean like you've been doing? Like that?Quote:
I will admit when someone makes sly insults instead of cogient statements
You have probably already done the simple math and don't have the guts to admit it because you finally realize I am right and you feel stupid with those nonsense arguments you have been making, so there would be no need for me to humiliate you further as that would bring me no satisfaction whatsoever. So we can drop this conversation and move beyond it.
As to the dufus budget, its dead on arrival as even repubs would pay a heavy price among their own base voters if they managed to pass any of his cuts, so it seems my friend you will just be forced to have your money taken and given to some needy person in your state.
Sorry.
I guess we should since neither I nor anyone else, and probably not even you, has the slightest idea of whatever loony tune idea you're talking about. I worry about you sometimes.Quote:
You have probably already done the simple math and don't have the guts to admit it because you finally realize I am right and you feel stupid with those nonsense arguments you have been making, so there would be no need for me to humiliate you further as that would bring me no satisfaction whatsoever. So we can drop this conversation and move beyond it.
Worry about yourself my friend, the rest of us have a good grasp on income inequality.
Yeah. It's the current state of reality that you are struggling with. Things like what's been said and not said.
Don't blame your failings on me. The things you cannot grasp are your responsibility to correct. Plus I have my own issues to deal with.
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Talaniman: Its different, isn't it, when its yours: They both can be bastards but its O.K. when its your BILLIONAIRE BASTARD?
Kind of hard to grasp that which is never said.Quote:
The things you cannot grasp are your responsibility to correct.
We have a winner!Quote:
Plus I have my own issues to deal with.
You probably missed it or didn't recognize it. You are getting on in age.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No difference, but to beat a BB, you might need another BB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Nah. Never said. You're living in your fantasy world again.Quote:
You probably missed it or didn't recognize it. You are getting on in age.
Others responded so maybe you missed that too!
Actually, that didn't happen either. Our discussion centered around median income. Sorry.
Amazing how you think your narrow definition excludes all the factors of a conversation. No wonder you missed it.
Says the man who cannot come up with even a whisper of a quote to prove his point. We were discussing median income. There was no math to do. I have no idea what you are talking about and I don't think you do either.
You can only discuss an isolated statistic for so long, in this case it proves nothing because of massive population growth
Massive pop growth in the U.S. in the past twenty years? An addition of forty million does not amount to some sort of massive pop growth for a country of 330 million. If it did anything, it would drive wages down and lower the median.Quote:
, in this case it proves nothing because of massive population growth
Why are you guys so resistant to the simple truth that our economy is doing very well? Unemployment figures and median income figures both tell the same story. I think Tal doesn't like it because he doesn't like Trump, and Clete doesn't like it because it might reflect well on the United States and he seems to resent that.
What is the debate here ? There is no question the economy is better now . How do I know ? Because the emperor tried to take credit for it .
I am wondering the same thing. I have no idea. I guess we could throw GDP growth in there as well as it's been above 2% in 11 of the past 12 quarters.Quote:
What is the debate here ?
My economy has been going very well since 2002. Challenges and glitchs, nothing big. Not everyone everywhere has been as fortunate as I have.
Of course I'm glad you're doing well, but you do realize we are not just talking about your well being? We're talking about how the country is doing.Quote:
My economy has been going very well since 2002. Challenges and glitchs, nothing big
I think, by and large, albeit not in every single case, that the left in general has a difficult time giving accolades to Trump because he is a Republican AND he, by comparison to many Beltway and lawyerly political types, is not smooth, not polished, not polite, crass, and is definitely an OUTSIDER compared to other Presidents...some would say he isn't Presidential. BUT, could you imagine, ROMNEY would have been all of those things, would have had all of the "attributes" and would have been a HORRIBLE PRESIDENT!
We have to get past the things that don't matter when looking at EFFECTIVENESS in people, and that includes our elected leaders. Trump has done a great job with the economy and only bitter people cannot come to admit this truth.
...while leaning on Obama's being able to pull it out of the hole W put it into. And the economy is the only thing that tRump can brag about at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Very true, but many are not sharing in how well the country is doing. If they did, the country could do even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
LOL, I well remember the right wing noise machine being all over Obama for 8 years whether they were in power or not, but when they were it was 6 years of obstruction. Sure Moscow Mitch can make the point to make Obama a one term president from day one, so getting the same back is something repubs and righties should get use to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
That's what makes incumbent tough to beat. Repub economies though seem to change in that second term historically, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Greatest Leader of my lifetime.
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