Ask Me Help Desk - coronavirus, is it a threat or a plot

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Talaniman: I must agree with you about the U.S. dependence on foreign medical supplies, ESPECIALLY with belligerent nations like Red China.

Rural healthcare, as I can attest, is woefully inadequate.

But the media is taking Red China at its word as it says that it has this problem under control: How does the media know this? Where, other than out of a communist Chinese do they obtain this kind of information. If a Trump official stated something like this, the media would not believe it but they choose to believe and broadcast ChiCom "state run information" as factual and spew forth ChiCom talking points. This is an issue for me and it should be a problem for all Americans.

Just because it is reported as stated by whomever, I highly doubt anyone takes it as true fact written in stone. It's been known for decades that whatever they say comes with skepticism, and not just from them, but everyone at least in most quarters, but they must and should report it for sure. Don't panic over reports, and over react yourself. Be cool, more is always revealed later. That also goes for what the dufus has said given what he has been spewing they last 3 years, confusing conservatives about basic truth with his lies and misrepresentations. Too many to ignore. (Said the avowed moderate liberal! 8D)

Doesn't matter what they say, but does matter what you do about it. We seem to need TESTS and TOILET paper immediately.

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Doesn't matter what they say, but does matter what you do about it. We seem to need TESTS and TOILET paper immediately.

what we need immediately is sanity, what we have is panic

Sounds like schools in California aren’t going to be in session until the next school year. I’m sad! I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye to my students. Online teaching may be our only option. Yes, they’ll be safer at home, but missing 3 months of true education. Just venting...no need to lecture me.

"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lectured

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what we need immediately is sanity, what we have is panic

Well said.

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"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lectured

Not well said.

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I’m sad! I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye to my students. Online teaching may be our only option. Yes, they’ll be safer at home, but missing 3 months of true education.

Bad in a number of ways.

Wonderful thought but not for the young children. They need to learn to read and write. I’m not going to argue. If you’re not a teacher, you don’t understand. Enough said.

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Wonderful thought but not for the young children. They need to learn to read and write. I’m not going to argue. If you’re not a teacher, you don’t understand. Enough said.

Teach, you are exactly correct. Clete is normally fairly thoughtful in his responses but he completely blew it in suggesting children don't really need to go to school.

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Teach, you are exactly correct. Clete is normally fairly thoughtful in his responses but he completely blew it in suggesting children don't really need to go to school.

What I'm suggesting is that children are not harmed by a few days out of school, a new life experience is not harmful

We're not talking about holidays or snow days here though, this may well be a protracted absense, but online education is the option and maybe that means targeting those that don't have that option. Even that is a challenge for kids with no devices or connections. Be a great time to address those shortcoming among other faults in the system that this health event has exposed, but kids need sunshine exercise and physical interaction to learn and lack of those things are a can of worms being opened.

No doubt this is a huge crisis that affects us all and the long term affects have yet to be felt.

Thanks for your support!!!

working from home is being thrust on many of us . Probably over due . I've said for a long time that if on line education was avaiable to me when I was in college I would've taken the opportunity .For those of us who did school and a full time job it really would've made a difference in my time management .

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What I'm suggesting is that children are not harmed by a few days out of school, a new life experience is not harmful

That's a fair enough statement, but it's a long way away from what you first said.

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"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lectured.

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Even that is a challenge for kids with no devices or connections. Be a great time to address those shortcoming among other faults in the system that this health event has exposed,

Yes. Get a job and buy a two hundred dollar Chromebook . Simple enough.

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So the "money grows on trees" mentality has firmly taken hold of both political parties. We'll just send out a trillion dollars in direct payments to people, most of whom don't need it, with no earthly idea of how to responsibly pay for it. Pitiful. Only Lindsey Graham seems to be standing against this lunacy. Even American Family Radio was bragging about it. It sure has the appearance of election year vote purchasing. Worse yet, the American people are beginning to get used to this craziness. The idea of saving up for rainy days is replaced by, "The feds will take of me. Blessed be the name of the Federal Government."

On the bright side, think of how much toilet paper a person can buy with a thousand bucks!

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That's a fair enough statement, but it's a long way away from what you first said.

Yes. Get a job and buy a two hundred dollar Chromebook . Simple enough.

why is it you take things to the extreme

I thought I made it simple. Besides, you jumped on the teacher and suggested she should be lectured. You like to give lectures but not take them?

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I thought I made it simple. Besides, you jumped on the teacher and suggested she should be lectured. You like to give lectures but not take them?

The safest place for children in this crisis is not school they need to be in a place where they can exercise individual space, schools are not organised that way, and childhood behaviour is the opposite. We all know that children spread sickness easily, this is what I meant by education and being lectured

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working from home is being thrust on many of us . Probably over due . I've said for a long time that if on line education was avaiable to me when I was in college I would've taken the opportunity .For those of us who did school and a full time job it really would've made a difference in my time management .

There was no online in them days pahdna!

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Originally Posted by paraclete

The safest place for children in this crisis is not school they need to be in a place where they can exercise individual space, schools are not organised that way, and childhood behaviour is the opposite. We all know that children spread sickness easily, this is what I meant by education and being lectured

Yes, children are safer at home right now. But to say that my students, who are learning keyboarding skills, will be able to navigate through online education is unrealistic. They will not receive the same education as being in my classroom. Due to school closures, we have no choice. Don’t argue with me about how to educate children, unless you’ve taught 30 students on your own with no assistance. I’ve had as many as 43, but this year, 30. My post was one of sadness, but you were unkind. My students definitely know what being kind means.

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Yes, children are safer at home right now. But to say that my students, who are learning keyboarding skills, will be able to navigate through online education is unrealistic. They will not receive the same education as being in my classroom. Due to school closures, we have no choice. Don’t argue with me about how to educate children, unless you’ve taught 30 students on your own with no assistance. I’ve had as many as 43, but this year, 30. My post was one of sadness, but you were unkind. My students definitely know what being kind means.

I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does. You are still focused on conveying knowledge, but a couple of months won't matter as much as keeping them safe

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I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does.

Reality? Many of them will learn next to nothing at home. They're not college students capable of independent work. It's a total negative. It will be two months largely wasted.

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.

We are talking about lives here, the kids will bounce back once they are back in school but what is more important?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does. You are still focused on conveying knowledge, but a couple of months won't matter as much as keeping them safe

Kids are so resilient and as long as parents keep a cool loving head they too will adjust to this crisis event with the rest of us. Unfortunately parents are not teachers in most cases, but what stops parents and teachers from working out some kind of plan for kids to stay engaged in the learning process? As the teach said we have no choice, but to structure alternatives for a while where communities are battling a bigger foe and go from there, because there are no options in the abject failure, of doing nothing. Schools may be closed, but as the heart of any community they are still engaged in school activities along with the first responders that supports them, and that's not a bad thing. So what if it's not perfect as it was folks, we still must rise to the challenge of people being at home, as massive unemployment looms large. Does that mean we get with gloom and doom? No way, lol, maybe the lesson is getting closer to the kids and appreciating the teachers who taught them and virtually raised them while parents worked. Yeah the onus has shifted and if I had kids and the school was closed I would sure be talking to my kids teachers to help them not fall so far behind during these times. What you don't know your kids teacher, or have any way to contact them? That's your fault parent! Have heart though that can be corrected, and I reject the notion that any community cannot keep the kids safe, and convey a good level of learning until the storm is over. May be a while.

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Reality? Many of them will learn next to nothing at home. They're not college students capable of independent work. It's a total negative. It will be two months largely wasted.

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.

Reality is that things are much different in the big city, than the small rural areas around them. Size does matter!

The ramifications of this Chinese sneak attack will reverberate through the U.S. for the next 30-40 years....It will destroy a generation of our young people: When our young people see how GUTLESS the elders and those in power above them are, they will be forever negatively formed into the same gutless masses.

LOL, the talk of WMD got us Iraq, and you are proposing excalating that Iraq stuff against China? The US is shutdown right now and you want a war? Let me get back to you after I stock up on toilet paper.

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We are talking about lives here, the kids will bounce back once they are back in school but what is more important?

No one is arguing that the kids don't need to be home. The point of contention is the belief you seem to have that being in school is not important.

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Reality is that things are much different in the big city, than the small rural areas around them. Size does matter!

What does that have to do with kids not being in school?

The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.[/QUOTE]
43 was 4th grade. It was awful. I was like an assembly line trying to see who understood, and who did not. Currently, I have (or had ) 30 Kindergarteners. Honestly, it is a big group, but manageable. Good classroom management is the key and this particular group was wonderful!

Talaniman: Not proposing war with Red China.....proposing that we don't submit to a Red Chinese Sneak Attack by changing our lives in the here and now. When the Islamic terrorists attacked us on 911, our society was changed and our freedoms were diminished by a bunch of NeoCons. We should be TOTALLY UNWILLING FOR A DAMNED CHINESE COMMUNIST VIRUS TO TAKE AWAY MORE OF OUR FREEDOMS!

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The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?

It makes no difference. Yes, things are different in some regards in big cities. They are better in some ways and worse in others. So what's the point?

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43 was 4th grade. It was awful. I was like an assembly line trying to see who understood, and who did not. Currently, I have (or had ) 30 Kindergarteners. Honestly, it is a big group, but manageable. Good classroom management is the key and this particular group was wonderful!

30 kindergartners in one class? Do you have a TA? Do you mind if I ask what state you're in? Just curious. In Mississippi it would be a violation of state standards to have that many in any lower elementary grade classroom. If I remember correctly, I think 27 was the K limit and that was with a mandated TA.

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It makes no difference. Yes, things are different in some regards in big cities. They are better in some ways and worse in others. So what's the point?

I tell Clete all the time that size does matter and if you think it doesn't just consider that an apple tree feeds so many, and for some populations you need more than one apple tree. You need a rather large orchard. Yeah it makes a big difference and again, that's my point. Hope your small rural town has more than one apple tree.

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Obviously TJ is in a larger community than yours. I never heard of a class size of 27 nor did my kids. Size does matter, my point AGAIN.

I’m in California. I live in a rural area but commute to a city of 200,000 to work. I have no aides! I do it all myself, although parents come to volunteer when they can. That being said, my school is an amazing public school, in the top 5% in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?

I have to be careful with answering this one. We aren’t a gigantic school district, but we aren’t tiny, either. I can say that my school is public, and we have a wait list to get in. Students are chosen by lottery to get in.

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Obviously TJ is in a larger community than yours. I never heard of a class size of 27 nor did my kids. Size does matter, my point AGAIN.

Thank you for pointing out the most obvious thing in the universe.

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I can say that my school is public, and we have a wait list to get in. Students are chosen by lottery to get in.

Charter school?

Charter school?
No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.

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No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.

Sounds like a good deal. I have long considered it amazing that parents cannot simply send their kids to the schools they choose. We lost a lot when the government started telling parents where to send their children.

jlisenbe: Must agree about Government intervention in schooling....they screw up most all they touch....and when they started merging EDUCATION with FAMILY BUSINESS in schools, they really fouled things up! Government long wanted to dictate terms about family rearing and used the school system to get its nose under the tent: What a mess they have made!

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Sounds like a good deal. I have long considered it amazing that parents cannot simply send their kids to the schools they choose. We lost a lot when the government started telling parents where to send their children.

Exactly when was that? How did they do that?

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jlisenbe: Must agree about Government intervention in schooling....they screw up most all they touch....and when they started merging EDUCATION with FAMILY BUSINESS in schools, they really fouled things up! Government long wanted to dictate terms about family rearing and used the school system to get its nose under the tent: What a mess they have made!

You lost me please explain that statement.

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Charter school?
No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.

You sound like most teachers I have known that loves kids and love teaching them stuff.

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Exactly when was that? How did they do that?

Basically started with busing in the sixties. It is now at the point where, in the last school I was in, parents living literally in sight of the school had to send their kids ten miles away to the school preferred by a federal judge. That is basically nationwide. What the parent desires doesn't matter. It's what the almighty government says that settles the issue. In the prior district I worked in, parents could send their kids to a different school so long as they transported them. We had about a hundred of those transfer kids. Had nothing to do with race as the school was 90% black and practically all of the transfer kids were black. A few years ago the almighty local gov decided they didn't want to allow that anymore, so that was that. It is absolutely nationwide.

Comments from yesterday by dem. Governor Cuomo.

"I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help,” said Cuomo. “I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken are evidence of that.”“His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it,” the Democrat continued. “His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York.”

Cuomo then said the two leaders are setting an example for all those around the country in how to deal and treat those who may disagree with one another politically.

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Basically started with busing in the sixties. It is now at the point where, in the last school I was in, parents living literally in sight of the school had to send their kids ten miles away to the school preferred by a federal judge. That is basically nationwide. What the parent desires doesn't matter. It's what the almighty government says that settles the issue. In the prior district I worked in, parents could send their kids to a different school so long as they transported them. We had about a hundred of those transfer kids. Had nothing to do with race as the school was 90% black and practically all of the transfer kids were black. A few years ago the almighty local gov decided they didn't want to allow that anymore, so that was that. It is absolutely nationwide.

Boy I would sure like to explore the details of your summary, raises many questions as I remember the struggles of the 60's as almost entirely about race mixing in response to white flight, and the disparities in educational funding as a result. When no solutions can be made locally, minorities had little choice but call the feds in, and the courts.

I can certainly understand being on the losing end of some of those court cases, and the resentments of being told what your doing ain't fair.

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Comments from yesterday by dem. Governor Cuomo.

"I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help,” said Cuomo. “I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken are evidence of that.”“His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it,” the Democrat continued. “His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York.”

Cuomo then said the two leaders are setting an example for all those around the country in how to deal and treat those who may disagree with one another politically.

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Cuomo is a polished politician isn't he.