Talaniman: If the Demos are smart, they won't take a vote on IMPEACHMENT....and I pray that they do not because of what comes next: The words of Admiral Yamamoto, once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, will ring in ears of all Demos if they vote IMPEACHMENT: "I am afraid that all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve"......If the Demos vote IMPEACHMENT, the TRIAL goes to the REPUBLICAN SENATE: that means that THE SCHIFF SHOW is over and the REPUBS can call witness after witness, including Little Adam, and all of the little fawned over bureaucrats that strutted up in from of the Demo House Committee will have to be dragged up in front of the Senate to abused by the truth.....It won't be pretty for the Demos. The Repub Senate will come with fangs and knives: it will be bloody. VOTE ON IMPEACHMENT WILL COST THE DEMS EVERYTHING: THE PRESIDENCY, THE SENATE, AND, YES, THE HOUSE!

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Russia if your listening, I need your help AGAIN! Of course Vlad is listening.

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Well my my. Looks like the libs are appealing to the Russkies now. How convenient.

Vac, I think your observation of the Senate trial is thought provoking. If it does get to the Senate, I hope they pull out all the stops and reveal to the country the truth about this miscarriage of justice.

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Well my my. Looks like the libs are appealing to the Russkies now. How convenient.

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You missed tal's point.

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Well my my. Looks like the libs are appealing to the Russkies now. How convenient.

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Worked for the dufus didn't it? Actually I was parroting yo' boy. You don't seem to mind he and Vlad doing their thing together.

jlisenbe: I don't know if we really want the Senate to TRIAL this IMPEACHMENT.....I don't know if it will be good for the country because of what the Senate will do to these people will be DISGUSTING.....Remember, JL, sometimes REVENGE doesn't feel good, it just makes you more bitter and thirsty for evermore revenge. Maybe it would be best for the country to just move on and try to get past the damage the Demos have done to the country.....maybe its time to let the country heal.

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Worked for the dufus didn't it?

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Your hobby must be making accusations for which you have no evidence.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...5510&FORM=VIRE

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/u...#link-4911ce00

Though I should know better than to try out your links, I did it anyway. Did you read this last, buried paragraph in the incredibly dishonest NYTimes article?

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But under questioning, Mr. Sondland acknowledged that Mr. Trump never told him that. “I never heard from President Trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement of investigations,” he testified.

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This video shows Sondland's testimony getting absolutely buried. Watch the five minutes if you dare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnEWYilDgcg

You're just going to have to try a LOT harder. Besides, your unsupported allegation was about Russia, not Sondland. But backing up a witch hunt is what dems are good at. They practiced it well against Kavanaugh.

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You should know better than to get in the way when I'm chunkin' rocks at the wingers.

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Can I remind you what this op was about, it was not about chucking rocks at each other. How can I expect you dullards to stay on subject, you have one track minds

Tal, I answered your questions. Why won't you answer this one? "Both the Uke prime minister and the foreign minister say there was no linkage. And in fact, the money was delivered and the investigation never took place. You don't dispute those facts do you?"

Still waiting on those five names. You have given me Sondland and Vindman. Neither one had anything. Sondland even admitted he had nothing, that his allegation of a quid pro quo was based on nothing more than his "presumption", and that Trump told him directly that there was no quid pro quo.

And now, in the great liberal tradition of fairness, liberal crowds are protesting at his businesses in Oregon because he actually testified before the committee.

The truth is the dufus's plot got exposed before he could get what he was after and blown up in the public.

LOL, that's pretty disengenous saying there is NO evidence when we have a lot of it and still more that the dufus and his cronies are allowed to sit on. Even worse you asking for names again when you have a list of 13 witnesses already, so I'll just let you keep dismissing and missing while the House crafts those articles and presents it to the senate and you can watch it on TV.

I've been known to chunk rocks but talking to them is pretty fruitless, both for facts or logic. You must be one of those rocks from the shores of DE NILE.

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Can I remind you what this op was about, it was not about chucking rocks at each other. How can I expect you dullards to stay on subject, you have one track minds

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Sorry Clete but this is big for us and if scripture can be quoted for pages I don't see why current events cannot be too. I do have sympathy though because fires and floods and mother nature reeking havoc on us humans is as scary as it gets.

Tal, I answered your questions. Why won't you answer this one? "Both the Uke prime minister and the foreign minister say there was no linkage. And in fact, the money was delivered and the investigation never took place. You don't dispute those facts do you?"

And still no answer.

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LOL, that's pretty disengenous saying there is NO evidence when we have a lot of it and still more that the dufus and his cronies are allowed to sit on. Even worse you asking for names again when you have a list of 13 witnesses already, so I'll just let you keep dismissing and missing while the House crafts those articles and presents it to the senate and you can watch it on TV.

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Fine. Let's hear all that evidence. List it for us. Give us names and not just numbers. List the names of those witnesses who had direct evidence of guilt by the pres and not just, "I heard this one say that that one overheard a phone call from another one that he now can't remember." Or one who doesn't have to admit that no one ever told him there was a quid pro quo and that Trump directly told him there was not one. Yeah. That's really powerful stuff.


You gave us two names and I blew both of them out of the water, so now you're afraid to list any other name. So have a little courage and step forward. Either that or please, please find something else to complain about. This has gotten tiresome.

As to the Senate, I can hardly wait. They can call Schiff, the whistle blower, Hunter Biden, and a host of other witnesses. I'm about to the point of hoping they do this so that the whole country can see what a circus this whole thing was, and so the dem party can rightfully be exposed as the party of a bunch of bitter losers. My only hesitation is that, as Vac pointed out, it would even further divide the country, a concern which the House dems plainly have no concern about.

See what I mean JL, the first line of the previous post was my answer, as to the rest of your assignment...DO IT YOURSELF first, and for the record, you may have blown your own mind, but have not blown the two witnesses story out of the water. None of the repubs in the House did when it was their time to do so. I will elaborate a bit for you my position based on the testimony I have heard so far and refer you to the fact that it was revealed that the Ukrainians did know of the dufus with holding funds and brought it to the attention of the diplomatic corps in late July I think, and this was after the Ukrainian president had scheduled an interview on CNN for 9/16/2019, which was cancelled after the congress guaranteed they would get the money the congress passed and the dufus signed before he unsigned, which as I referenced may in of itself be a violation of law which I have linked before.

From the link

"We had been negotiating with President Zelensky and his office for a while, for months, to try to get an interview with him anyway, ever since he was elected President," Zakaria, host of "Fareed Zakaria GPS," told Baldwin.
Once news of the whistleblower's complaint surfaced, "it became clear to us that the interview was off," he continued.

The Times reported that the decision to unfreeze the aid to Ukraine erased the need for Zelensky's televised appearance."

So I'll stick with my position that there is sufficient evidence to formulate charges and we may yet get more testimony. Personally, I would press for subpoenas to wind through the courts for key witnesses no matter how close to the election it may be and let you repubs deal with whatever comes of it. And then there is that Rudy Giuliani contribution to this rather bizarre process, and his cronies that got Amb. Yovanovitch removed from her post and reputation smeared publicly.

Plenty to see here and more to learn.

Catching up - Impeachment is a done deal. The evidence is overwhelming.

The only question left is will the Republican Trumpista cult in the Senate confirm that the American president is not above the law.

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The truth is the dufus's plot got exposed before he could get what he was after and blown up in the public.

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THAT'S your answer? Wow.

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"We had been negotiating with President Zelensky and his office for a while, for months, to try to get an interview with him anyway, ever since he was elected President," Zakaria, host of "Fareed Zakaria GPS," told Baldwin.
Once news of the whistleblower's complaint surfaced, "it became clear to us that the interview was off," he continued.

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So that's the best you have? What a CNN reporter had so say? Good. What a relief. I thought you might actually have something that directly tied Trump to a quid pro quo. All you have is a sguid pro squat.

Like Vac said, if this trainwreck gets to the Senate, then it will become obvious to everyone how pathetic the whole thing is.

Still waiting to hear all those names you said were there. Me do the homework? Why would I do the homework to verify what YOU said? Nah. That's your job my friend. You make the statement, then you should back it up. Truth is, you can't.

The dufus rules with an iron fist and anybody who steps out of line gets wapped really viciously and they know it. Wasn't it the rightt winger at Fox Laura Ingram who said "without the dufus there is no republican party."? I think that may be true and rebubs believe that too!

@JL

You said there was NO evidence so back that up.

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The dufus rules with an iron fist and anybody who steps out of line gets wapped really viciously and they know it. Wasn't it the rightt winger at Fox Laura Ingram who said "without the dufus there is no republican party."? I think that may be true and rebubs believe that too!

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I think Trump can be beaten in 2020, but not with one of the sad group the dems are looking at now. Tom Steyer might end up making a run at it.

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You said there was NO evidence so back that up.

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OK. Here is the list of real evidence demonstrating the existence of a quid pro quo, extortion, or bribery.

1. nothing
2. nothing
3. nothing
4. nothing
5. nothing
6. nothing
7. nothing
8. nothing

Here is the list of names of people who actually had first hand knowledge of an impeachable offense.

1. no one
2. no one
3. no one
4. no one
5. no one

Maybe we should give Clete his thread back since you got nothing and I don't comment on NOTHING!

As I gaze at a sky filled with smoke I wonder; has the apocalypse arrived? did it sneak up while I was distracted?

I don't smell smoke, but I wonder if the world has lost it's freaking mind, but realize that people are just SCARED right now. I'm knocking on wood though because we have had a few fires here in Texas, and during the dry season it doesn't take much to have a few more.

Rest assured you aren't alone by any means.

Thanks, Tal, the smoke haze might have even lifted this morning

Paraclete: Just seen this evening where Koalas are probably going to go extinct with all the wildfires. I guess the Dingo population will explode since the vegetation burn-off will make it easier for them to hunt.

Forest Management here in the Southeastern U.S. is hallmarked by "Prescribed Burns" where the vegetation in the understories of our primary Pine Plantation Forest are burned in scheduled exercises so that the understory vegetation growth is not permitted to get so dense as to provide the volume of fuel BTUs that would kill the Pines under which it grows. Its all about managing your risks!

California is an idiotic state, in general, where burn management is all but ignored completely. Californians would rather worry about establishing and preserving Sanctuary Cities for illegal aliens, electing leftist local and state representation, and smoking dope like there is no tomorrow to avoid the realities put upon them by the first couple of things I mentioned all wrought by poor arse leadership.

California has it's wildfires and mudslides and Florida has it's hurricanes and floods, and sink holes, so every climate region has something to deal with so kind of unfair to compare and criticise since last I checked everybody likes their dope...even Floridians.

Must not be any sanctuary cities in Florida huh?

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Paraclete: Just seen this evening where Koalas are probably going to go extinct with all the wildfires. I guess the Dingo population will explode since the vegetation burn-off will make it easier for them to hunt.

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Don't think that theory works, the dingo will eat BBQ for a while then starve

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Forest Management here in the Southeastern U.S. is hallmarked by "Prescribed Burns" where the vegetation in the understories of our primary Pine Plantation Forest are burned in scheduled exercises so that the understory vegetation growth is not permitted to get so dense as to provide the volume of fuel BTUs that would kill the Pines under which it grows. Its all about managing your risks!

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Yes we do that too, however not a great idea in the middle of a drought, and no burnoffs in national parks, the greenies go ape at the thought of it

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California is an idiotic state, in general, where burn management is all but ignored completely. Californians would rather worry about establishing and preserving Sanctuary Cities for illegal aliens, electing leftist local and state representation, and smoking dope like there is no tomorrow to avoid the realities put upon them by the first couple of things I mentioned all wrought by poor arse leadership.

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California also has a lot of eucalypts which makes their fires bad in the same way ours are. I think you miss the point with 'fornia it is just the mex taking back the homeland and you made the mistake of feeding them

Talaniman: California's burns are SELF FULFILLING PROPHECIES because the weirdos won't permit brush cleanup.....the brush is fuel for the fires......dope smoking starts to interfere with rational thoughts! Got a 'Nam Vet brother who came back from there smoking dope: didn't get right until he was in his '40s: scraps with the law, revolving door of women, violence, he was constantly involved with something bad....it was horrible.....Talaniman: I know you think I am just being "reactionary" about the dope thing but its a lot deeper than that with me after what it did to my brother and our family......its effects are much more evil than what is advertised.....it is something that revolts me.

I can certainly understand and sympathize with the aversion to dope and have seen it with alcohol as well, truly bad situation by some, but unrelated I think in large part to the task at hand or the politics of institutional racism, or capitalist stupidity. Cali is hardly alone or isolated in such regards to the challenges of modern life and dealing with Mother Nature, or anything else.

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California also has a lot of eucalypts which makes their fires bad in the same way ours are. I think you miss the point with 'fornia it is just the mex taking back the homeland and you made the mistake of feeding them

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For decades and generations the brown people from the south have lived in peace and contributed to the betterment of the country. Not saying there are not the worst among them but like any peoples bad apples exist and have to be dealt with.

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For decades and generations the brown people from the south have lived in peace and contributed to the betterment of the country. Not saying there are not the worst among them but like any peoples bad apples exist and have to be dealt with.

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Why did you bring race into it, referring to the "brown" people

I'm not sure

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Why did you bring race into it, referring to the "brown" people

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You had said:

"California also has a lot of eucalypts which makes their fires bad in the same way ours are. I think you miss the point with 'fornia it is just the mex taking back the homeland and you made the mistake of feeding them."

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You had said:

"California also has a lot of eucalypts which makes their fires bad in the same way ours are. I think you miss the point with 'fornia it is just the mex taking back the homeland and you made the mistake of feeding them."

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Yes but I didn't bring race in referring to the antecedent people by their former nationality. You have to expect the way things are going California will be lost to English speaking peoples, but you don't have to accept this, you can call on the "manifest destiny" of the white eurpoean to rule the americas and eject them. Build the wall, but to keep you in

Clete you just have a sneaky way of injecting your racial biases into things, but all the states have challenges to work on. The weather is a big deal and man is helpless even with all his other issues he has. LOL, if the advanced civilization you have hasn't solved the problem, then what makes you think the heathens over here have a clue? So go ahead and lead the world with your solutions so we can follow YOU for a change.

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Clete you just have a sneaky way of injecting your racial biases into things, but all the states have challenges to work on. The weather is a big deal and man is helpless even with all his other issues he has. LOL, if the advanced civilization you have hasn't solved the problem, then what makes you think the heathens over here have a clue? So go ahead and lead the world with your solutions so we can follow YOU for a change.

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Honestly, Tal, none of us have a clue, I just saw an OP piece once again "proving" man, and read industralised societies, are responsible for climate change without any mention of other factors. We cannot control the weather, it is futile to try, even if we stop all emissions of CO2, Methane and Nitros Oxide immediately we will still reap any effects these things might have had, because the problem is population, it is increasing just as quickly as any other factor and forcing many other problems such as deforestation, growth in cities, etc

The only racial bias I have is against idiocy and there seems to be more of it in certain places

So some races are more idiots than others? Is that what you meant? Good luck getting humans to stop breeding voluntarily, and China is an example of too little too late.

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So some races are more idiots than others? Is that what you meant? Good luck getting humans to stop breeding voluntarily, and China is an example of too little too late.

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Yes, Tal, I understand the attraction that leads to population growth, China tried and created another problem, however, their efforts may have impact eventually. The real problem is lack of war, the last 50 years have not had the same effect on the population as did the previous century. As to some races being idiots, it is racist to point it out, however, research has suggested that some races are smarter than others, which may demonstrate why some didn't get much past the stone age, while others enjoyed great development. Some are not as smart as they think they are, witness the degradation Japan and Germany brought upon themselves

If we had left the Chinese in their blissful ignorance we wouldn't have the problems we do today, and one day we may say the same of India

LOL, never heard the lack of war being a bad thing before, but if we need a war to solve problems then you Aussies better start killing folks. Can't find your guns? I'm sure we could sell you a few. Discount for allies.

That was a rather bizarre post even for you Clete.

Paraclete: I know you aren't promoting a World War, I know that: But it doesn't necessarily take a big war to wipe out millions: In 1918, while WWI was still raging, there came about a world wide "Spanish Flu Pandemic" that killed 50 million people.....we haven't had any big PANDEMICS for a long time....The world doesn't have the stomach for a whole lot of killing anymore but "natural kill-offs" from a pandemic could get the job done.

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.we haven't had any big PANDEMICS for a long time....The world doesn't have the stomach for a whole lot of killing anymore but "natural kill-offs" from a pandemic could get the job done.

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Good Lord! Now they're discussing the most efficient way to kill off millions of people. It gets loonier and loonier!!!!

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LOL, never heard the lack of war being a bad thing before, but if we need a war to solve problems then you Aussies better start killing folks. Can't find your guns? I'm sure we could sell you a few. Discount for allies.

That was a rather bizarre post even for you Clete.

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No Tal, we have plenty of guns, it is a myth promoted by the american right that we don't have guns, what we don't have is mayhem. So you think my thoughts bizzaire?

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Paraclete: I know you aren't promoting a World War, I know that: But it doesn't necessarily take a big war to wipe out millions: In 1918, while WWI was still raging, there came about a world wide "Spanish Flu Pandemic" that killed 50 million people.....we haven't had any big PANDEMICS for a long time....The world doesn't have the stomach for a whole lot of killing anymore but "natural kill-offs" from a pandemic could get the job done.

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Vac, don't go there

I find myself in the rather bizarre position of agreeing, at least somewhat, with Athos's sentiment,