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  • May 21, 2019, 04:03 PM
    talaniman
    It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

    https://oversight.house.gov/sites/de...%20opinion.pdf

    Quote:

    19. Specifically, Cohen stated that, in his experience, “Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it
    served his purposes . . . and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.” Id. Cohen supplied
    the Oversight Committee with portions of the President’s Statements of Financial Condition from 2011, 2012, and 2013, some of which were signed by Mazars.14
  • May 21, 2019, 05:21 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

    https://oversight.house.gov/sites/de...%20opinion.pdf


    so a tax return is only going to state values, where is the evidence of actual valuation, if they are calling Trump a liar and a cheat, where is the proof since we have heard all that before and it isn't something he has done in office, well maybe, but again no proof. What you are calling for here is an investigation of the Trump smoke and mirrors business. I doubt any politician can stand up straight there
  • May 21, 2019, 07:27 PM
    tomder55
    do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .
  • May 22, 2019, 05:13 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .

    It matters naught to me Tom, it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone like Trump would compartmentalise his business affairs
  • May 22, 2019, 08:30 AM
    talaniman
    LOL Tom, we only know of two side ladies that got paid. Are you saying there's more of 'em? Wonder what Cohen did for 12 years the dufus employed him besides a BUNCH of criminal stuff? We already know he may be tied to some unethical loan practices at Duetsche Bank in collusion with Russian money laundering. No telling what him and Vlad are cooking up, or who comes and goes at the WH. He makes sure there are no records of either. They even bribed Slick Mitch to let Vlad's buddies build an aluminum factory in Kentucky to wipe out the sanctions for that company. Yep he herded repubs in line for that one.

    Nothing to see here, move along and mind your own business while the big shots take all the money. JL is happy with his crumbs as long as the overturn Roe v Wade. I've seen this movie before a few times and it never ends well for ordinary folks, not even the right wing loonies who pay double for their tickets. HINT...That ain't butter on your popcorn.
  • May 22, 2019, 10:55 AM
    tomder55
    I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done . That's like Mueller trying to divine what Trump MAY have been thinking as possible grounds for obstruction .

    Trump considered running for president back in the 80’s and became only more interested over time. Finally, he tried to run on the Independent Party ticket , before reassessing the competency of the Party itself, and then he backed out.
    Trump had decades to decide to run and to clean and repair his personal profile, ready his business profile and shine up his financials, his books in the event he would decide to make a serious run for the presidency.
    I think it is Duetsche Bank that has problems and Trump does not share in them. It is guilt by association. Trump does some of his banking at Duetshe . They got raided by the German authorities because they allegedly launder Putin cash. Therefore the connection is established even though the bank is an international bank that services scores of wealthy patrons and millions of customers world wide . Keep fishing .
  • May 22, 2019, 04:25 PM
    talaniman
    There is a reason I refer to the prez as the dufus, because it would seem he would have his house in order, but I have seen no evidence of that since he acts like he does have something to hide, and more importantly I can't stand his antics or words and would feel great to see him eat them. I see no end to this fishing expedition, and only a fool would just look away, and reading the Mueller Report, I can say his actions are totally unacceptable for a prez, or anyone and he should be held to account. If he were not the POTUS he would already be hauled away in cuffs, just like Flynn, Manafort, Gates and Cohen, and maybe that Stone idiot. LOL you think a normal person would have that many convicts and criminals around him?

    Come on Tom. That's outrageous.
  • May 22, 2019, 04:38 PM
    tomder55
    none of them were'criminal' before the Mueller inquisition . You think Mueller is incapable of persecuting innocents ? The government had to pay out $100 million because of his excessive zealotry .

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-shocking-case

    and I have already mentioned how he and Comey persecuted Dr Steven Hatfill when they botched the Anthrax case.

    or the time that the Mueller led
    FBI made Richard Jewell's life a living hell when it looked for a scapegoat for the 1996 Olympics bombing. It pushed the cockamamie idea that Jewell planted the bomb so he could look the hero by discovering it.
    The actual bomber was Eric Robert Rudolph, a domestic terrorist who blew up abortion clinics.

    So you can't convince me that an American hero like General Flynn is a criminal
  • May 22, 2019, 08:00 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done .


    You need to rethink this claim. It's done all the time. Catch the bad guy before he blows somebody up. Or before he plans with another bad guy to form a conspiracy. This is basic stuff, tomder.
  • May 23, 2019, 02:57 AM
    talaniman
    Obama fired Flynn because he was going off the rails and warned the dufus about him. Sad but true. As I pointed out though its part of a pattern of who the dufus surrounds himself with. He still has many cabinet members resign under one ethics violation or another. He still doesn't want you looking into how he makes his money, or how he has spent his inauguration money, and everywhere you look a Russian pops up, and a lie comes with it, and the middle east keeps getting more unstable.
  • May 23, 2019, 09:25 AM
    tomder55
    The DIA under Flynn was the only agency that anticipated the rise of ISIS and the extent of its spread. Flynn was reporting this at the time the emperor ,Clapper and Brennan where calling ISIS the JV Team.Flynn was the only Director who refused to modify Intel reports to support the Emperor's political agenda. I guess that is called "going off the rail". It was only after this that the spin about 'erratic behavior ' began circulating .
  • May 23, 2019, 04:20 PM
    talaniman
    Yeah I remember the right wing loony conspiracy theories and talking points back then mostly started by Flynn himself. No secret he was outspoken against his former boss and HC. Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. Disturbing though if true, him and other retired generals pushing for more Saudi support against Yemen, and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes.
  • May 23, 2019, 06:58 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. .

    What about you Tal, do you wander off the range?
  • May 24, 2019, 02:43 AM
    talaniman
    I wander all over the place, but within the boundaries of good behavior and the LAW.
  • May 24, 2019, 03:13 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes.
    well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .
  • May 24, 2019, 03:27 AM
    talaniman
    The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying. That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.
  • May 24, 2019, 04:24 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .


    It was squashed - by Obama - until your boy unsquashed it. Now idiot boy will arm the Saudis for their Trump proxy war against Iran.

    (Woops - after posting this, just saw Tal said the same thing with a touch more clarity. Oh, well. never hurts to repeat a true message).
  • May 24, 2019, 05:36 AM
    talaniman
    The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.
  • May 24, 2019, 06:15 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.

    In what universe does administration not mean exactly that? Rhetorical question. Your Congress does not have the right to conduct kangaroo courts, but it does so under the guise of inquiries
  • May 24, 2019, 07:31 AM
    talaniman
    Just calling a congress doing it's job and looking into a proven lying cheating bully a kangaroo court doesn't change the fact that's their job! Why do conservatives try to rewrite the rules?
  • May 24, 2019, 08:14 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that
    Sort of??? That is not reassuring. It's kind of like saying the Japanese sort of surrendered so we think the war might be over.
  • May 24, 2019, 08:47 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Sort of??? That is not reassuring. It's kind of like saying the Japanese sort of surrendered so we think the war might be over.

    That's utter nonsense and not just sort of, since we had a bird in the hand already. Speaking of nukes, Kim says he loves the dufus still, but won't cut a deal without keeping his nukes. Kim is not stupid and won't trust a lying cheating, dufus bully, even if he is sweet and charming. So what's the problem with conservatives? Oh that's right he does sound good to you on TV doesn't he?

    Talking loud, saying nothing, doing nothing, is what keeps you guys attention, and long as it sounds good. You should be asking where's the money like the rest of us are.
  • May 24, 2019, 11:18 AM
    waltero
    Quote:

    well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon
    Quote:

    It was squashed - by Obama
    Quote:

    unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying.
    Just Stop!

    The Iranian regime looks very pragmatic. It looks like a government as you’ve heard the administration officials talk about a great deal, a government that you can do business with. Iranians have a definite, defined idea of manifest destiny...the nuclear deal is one of the ways it will get there. There's only one thing these people understand... they respect it!


    Quote:

    Just calling a congress doing it's job
    Oh, is that what you call it. What is their Job exactly?
  • May 24, 2019, 11:32 AM
    talaniman
    Well let me know when the dufus gets his nuke deal and I hope it looks better than his Korean deal, Saudii deal, China deal, or Russian deal and those are his friends and lovers...but no deal. In addition I refer you to the Constitution which lays out the job of the congress.

    It's not that hard as you're making it, especially when it comes to Iranian destiny. Not saying their great, but the were honoring their deal, until the lying, cheating dufus came along.
  • May 24, 2019, 01:31 PM
    waltero
    The President and Congress must work together, or else all of the decisions will either be made by Congress or the President. Congress doesn't want to do their job...there you have it, Trump gets to play Dictator. Keep it up congress, your being played.
  • May 24, 2019, 01:38 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    The President and Congress must work together, or else all of the decisions will either be made by Congress or the President. Congress doesn't want to do their job...there you have it, Trump gets to play Dictator. Keep it up congress, your being played.

    I agree and find your logic absolutely TRUE! The Senate no longer even pretends to do the people work.
  • May 24, 2019, 03:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    That's utter nonsense and not just sort of, since we had a bird in the hand already.
    You do realize that the "sort of" was a quote from your post? So if it's utter nonsense, it's your utter nonsense.
  • May 24, 2019, 03:56 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying. That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.

    Is this the quote you mean? Come on JL, the context speaks for itself and has nothing to do with your comparison analogy which was my NONSENSE reference. On it's face it made NO sense whatsoever. So correct me if I misunderstood. Or did you misunderstand my usage of the English language?

    Tribal dialect can be confusing. The point was reiterated in my subsequent post though.
  • May 24, 2019, 08:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    Good grief. You stated that the deal "sort of put the kabash on all that." It has the plain and clear meaning of something less than definite, so my comparison was spot on. Perhaps your wording was something other than what you intended to write.
  • May 25, 2019, 01:30 AM
    talaniman
    You're right the ''sort of' that confuses you is an expression of derision on my part making the point that the decision to pull out of the Iranian deal was a bad move. Who trusts a guy who breaks a deal? So what do we have now except division and uncertainty with not just Iran, but the other signatories of the deal in regard to nukes. He is good at tearing stuff down, simple for him but he has yet to deliver anything better in it's place.

    He does and is losing in the courts though as we evaluate his words against the findings of the Mueller Report and what should be done with those findings.
  • May 25, 2019, 02:35 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.

    ummm no If the Saudi's nuke up it will be through Pakistani technology or purchase .

    But let's get to the topic .
    The conspirators are turning on themselves.
    Comey is on the lecture and television circuit . He is throwing his co-conspirators off the bus and they are returning the favor . Comey says that he alone has soul while his co-conspirators let theirs get nibbled away by Trump. He attacked Rosenstein as a Trump enabler .He knows Rosenstein more than the rest has the goods on Comey and probably handed the info off to Barr .Comey is also locking horns with McCabe .They both leaked classified information to the media . Comey says McCabe did it ;and McCabe's lawyers say Comey directed him to do it .Comey says the Steele dossier was not the only evidence used to obtain FISA warrants .McCabe insists that it was . Which one will turn and assist in the prosecution of the other ? Former CIA boss Brennan has twice lied to Congress and gotten away with it . He won't be so lucky a third time .Comey and Brennan both claim that the other added the Steele dossier into NIA about Russian interference .One of them is lying .I'm betting it was Brennan .It was unethical and possibly illegal to do so because the dossier was nothing more than opposition research from Evita's campaign ;and an unverified document .
  • May 25, 2019, 03:06 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    ummm no If the Saudi's nuke up it will be through Pakistani technology or purchase .

    But let's get to the topic .
    The conspirators are turning on themselves.
    Comey is on the lecture and television circuit . He is throwing his co-conspirators off the bus and they are returning the favor . Comey says that he alone has soul while his co-conspirators let theirs get nibbled away by Trump. He attacked Rosenstein as a Trump enabler .He knows Rosenstein more than the rest has the goods on Comey and probably handed the info off to Barr .Comey is also locking horns with McCabe .They both leaked classified information to the media . Comey says McCabe did it ;and McCabe's lawyers say Comey directed him to do it .Comey says the Steele dossier was not the only evidence used to obtain FISA warrants .McCabe insists that it was . Which one will turn and assist in the prosecution of the other ? Former CIA boss Brennan has twice lied to Congress and gotten away with it . He won't be so lucky a third time .Comey and Brennan both claim that the other added the Steele dossier into NIA about Russian interference .One of them is lying .I'm betting it was Brennan .It was unethical and possibly illegal to do so because the dossier was nothing more than opposition research from Evita's campaign ;and an unverified document .

    Pakistan can't afford to upset Iran
  • May 25, 2019, 04:14 AM
    tomder55
    maybe not ;but Saudi money may make it worth the risk .They have to have a delicate balance because they have to also worry about upsetting the US .The Pakis owe Saudia Arabia a fortune for oil they haven't paid for . Giving the Saudi's nukes would be one way to balance the ledger.
  • May 25, 2019, 04:57 AM
    tomder55
    another rat is jumping ship.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...le-place-blame
  • May 25, 2019, 10:02 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post


    Quote:

    Baker also told Todd that he thinks the FISA warrants against Page would have been granted without the dossier,
    and took a pregnant pause when asked if the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants on other people
    - saying "I don’t think I should comment on that, I’m not sure what else the government has confirmed," and adding "
    I don’t want to confirm or deny anything about other potential FISA applications.
    "

    That first line is the one that jumps out to me, and brings to mind the questions of what was verified n the Steele Dossier, and what other data was part of the probable cause to invade ones privacy. Indeed if there was much more there, there then that blows the right wing conspiracy theory of an illegal warrant and nefarious activity by the FBI and DOJ out of the water.

    Personally exploiters and grifters like Page bear watching , and that goes for the dufus who says he can shot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters would still be with him and that attitude should disturb everybody, and make us MORE wary instead of just accepting sheeple for a corrupt, lying cheating dufus.
  • May 27, 2019, 05:23 AM
    tomder55
    First batch of POTUS declassification said to include FBI docs of recorded conversations exculpating Papapopoulos & Page--prior to FBI going for FISA warrant based on their alleged conspiracy.
    If Mifsud was recorded giving the "tip" to George...it's GAME OVER.
  • May 27, 2019, 06:46 AM
    talaniman
    Doesn't matter, George P. LIED about his contacts to the FBI. Why would he do that? Why would anyone lie about their Russian contacts if not to cover something up? Somebody answer the question about all the lying about Russian contacts. I find it fascinating the dufus defenders believe these liars and know they are lying. That's what they do and no doubt Barr will declassify everything that shows the FBI in a bad light or the dufus cabal in a better one ahead of the intel report and the IG report, just as he did with the Mueller report.

    The dufus is feeding red meat to anyone who will take it and your mouth is wide open Tom. What's in the intel report or the IG report that has him spinning like a top to get ahead of it?
  • May 28, 2019, 06:24 PM
    tomder55
    More of the real cover up .

    Quote:

    The former British spy who produced a dossier describing alleged links between Donald Trump and Russia will not cooperate with a prosecutor assigned by U.S. Attorney General William Barr to review how the investigations of Trump and his 2016 election campaign began, a source with knowledge of the situation said.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1SY20K

    indict ;extradite ,or rendition if necessary and send his sorry a$$ to Gitmo .
  • May 28, 2019, 07:21 PM
    talaniman
    I guess he doesn't trust Barr and I can't say as I blame him, but he may cooperate with the IG investigating the same thing.
  • May 28, 2019, 07:57 PM
    Athos
    For an Attorney General, Barr has descended to depths never before reached in American justice at that level.

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