We are like an alcoholic in that respect. Addicted to deficit spending.
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We are like an alcoholic in that respect. Addicted to deficit spending.
I'm sure electing a dufus with more bankruptcies than you have kids is really going to solve that problem.
Says the man who twice voted for the biggest deficit spending pres in recorded history.
And left the dufus with a great economy after a great depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Facts don'y change peoples minds...that's a fact.
The Democrats and Republicans have had this ongoing feud for some time now.
It is nothing more than Democrats acting like sore losers...The entire world seen it, the entire world knows this to be fact.
Let the Democrats eat it. Nobody really cares what Trump is involved in, nothing will come of his "involvement in illegal activities...believe that.
Either way your just siding with one side of a feud.
There is a good reason why Obama/Hillary lost.
The democrats are just trying to save face.
Trump is our President. Let the Man do his Job, even if the Democrats don't want to do theirs.
1. There was no depression. You are still living in your fantasy world.Quote:
And left the dufus with a great economy after a great depression.
2. There was no "great" economy left for Trump. More fantasy.
Facts would be helpful here. Truth is, Obama had the worst post-recession recovery in American history.
1. There was no depression. You are still living in your fantasy world.
So the whole world was psycho and you're not? Dude, the evidence in this case is irrefutable.
2. There was no "great" economy left for Trump. More fantasy.
Stability in the world economy and the 6 solid years of job creation is a myth? Dude, could the dufus come in with high unemployment and financial disaster and save the whole world? He has yet to be tested other than play coo-coo to dictators, appointing a scandalous cabinets, and lying and talking crap while he enriches his friends to the tune of trillions in deficits, and worse the interest on the debts that YOU holler about. Obamas deficits not just from the Bush wars, but tax cuts for the middle class and STATE building projects, which created JOBS. Look it up for yourself and stop just engaging in hate speech against a former president who inherited a holy MESS, while you heap praise on a lying cheating dufus who spreads rumors and take the credit for what already was happening.
Believe all the lies you want but the DEVIL is in the truth!
3. Facts would be helpful here. Truth is, Obama had the worst post-recession recovery in American history.
Yeah he did, but repubs share that blame as much as he does. We would have a 20 year deficit reducing middle class jobs program at low interest rates had repubs approved his infrastructure bill in 2011! Look it up yourself since LINKS are so hard for you to comprehend.
Your so called facts are nothing but right wing loony talking points that reek of hypocrisy and LIES based on FEAR, and not facts.
My Tal you do get upset, but the issue really is that the president isn't responsible for recession or recovery, these things are part of an economic cycle and all you can hope for from a president is he points towards a goal.
There was no depression and no one says that except Tal. There was a recession, but nothing worse than what Reagan faced and with him as pres the economy turned around and did remarkably well WITHOUT an even bigger deficit causing infrastructure program.
That's the problem with democrats. It is always someone else's fault, except this time it's someone else's fault in bold text.Quote:
Yeah he did, but repubs share that blame as much as he does. We would have a 20 year deficit reducing middle class jobs program at low interest rates had repubs approved his infrastructure bill in 2011!
So we would have a deficit reducing federal spending program with low interest rates? How would that reduce the deficit??
I think you know the answer, but socialists never understand that the government doesn't have to do anything
I thought this was a good read.
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That the essence of politics is the "struggle" and that no one can cancel out the distinction between friends and enemies.
Understanding of politics as a distinction between friends and enemies and his preoccupation with the state unity which may be attained by identifying and persecuting the enemy, is a direct attack on liberal ideology". end quote.
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/assets/pdf/Petrovic-Enemy.pdf[/FONT]
Enemy as the essence of political.
Reagan raised taxes as many times as he cut them to deal with debts and deficits but economic recovery was slow in coming in certain sectors of the economy. Wages were stagnant for years and inflation was high back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Unlike repubs who screw the money away and blame everybody else? Federal building programs have not just helped with the debt and deficits they allow states to leverage federal dollars for long term infrastructure upgrades and improvements. Those are some good jobs if you were paying attention.Quote:
That's the problem with democrats. It is always someone else's fault, except this time it's someone else's fault in bold text.
So we would have a deficit reducing federal spending program with low interest rates? How would that reduce the deficit??
Or maybe you're in the wrong state.
Here is average GDP growth by pres. Note that Obama is dead last.Quote:
Reagan raised taxes as many times as he cut them to deal with debts and deficits but economic recovery was slow in coming in certain sectors of the economy. Wages were stagnant for years and inflation was high back then.
Johnson (1964-68), 5.3%
Kennedy (1961-63), 4.3%
Clinton (1993-2000), 3.9%
Reagan (1981-88), 3.5%
Carter (1977-80), 3.3%
Eisenhower (1953-60), 3.0%
(Post-WWII average: 2.9%)
Nixon (1969-74), 2.8%
Ford (1975-76), 2.6%
G. H. W. Bush (1989-92), 2.3%
G. W. Bush (2001-08), 2.1%
Truman (1946-52), 1.7%
Obama (2009-15), 1.5%
As far as inflation went, during Carter's last three years, inflation was 9, 13, and 12%. During Reagan's first five years it was 9, 4, 4, 4, and 1%. The country was able to grow out of the Carter recession while controlling inflation at the same time. Amazing. And it was done without adding 9 tril to the federal debt.
Now to be fair, Reagan had less success with the unemployment rate. It peaked at almost 11% in 83 before beginning a five year slide to around 5% in his last year.
If there is any chart that should thoroughly alarm all of us, it is the rapid accumulation of federal debt over the last twenty years.
http://www.moresureword.com/USdebtGraph.jpg
Well you got the data correct even if your interpretation leaves much to be desired. Are we back to using links yet, or just YOURS?
Why does your chart stop at Obama? Must be older data that hasn't been updated yet.
As noted before; "People Don't listen to facts".
There are studies that prove this to be true.
Also, Sticking within ones own Political groups, talking to like minded people creates dopamine in your brain...your brain!
I don't ever remember Politics becoming part of a person's Identity...when did this take place;It now seems people take political argument, positions, defeat etc. as though it is a personal attack on there person...go figure.It might have started during, the global anti-terrorist struggle, the search for and persecution of terrorists as mortal enemies of liberal democratic societies, started by the US-led western states in the aftermath of September 11.
Back on topic:
If not for the "God Factor", Trump, alone (and he was alone) could not have won the Presidency. Who else but God could have influenced such a great feat!
Now we all know that Trump is kind of an Ignoramus. But you see, it is said that God will use the "foolish" things of this world to confound the wise.
So you see, those of you who think your wise, and believed Hillary to be a winner...and she was a winner according to every standard known to man. You (in fact we all do) stand confounded, perplexed by the Stupidity of it all.
It is no small thing that we stand with Israel once again. Standing with Israel, holds a blessing from God.
Had Obama, and the Democrats not separated (imposed a curse on themselves) from Israel, there would have been no need for prayer, hence Gods interaction.
I guess we could say; The World made Hillary a sure winner and Israel made her a sure/sore loser.
Israel effects the entire planet and all who reside in it.
Let me say that we must stop blaming God for the mistakes of man. There is no doubt God appointed leaders in Israel but if you read the accounts many of them were flawed individuals who failed. Trump is no different so whether God made it possible or not, the outcome has been a very mixed bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Yes, it is important to be on the right side of history, oppose evil and sow into God's agenda and protection of a small nation in the midst of its enemies is no different. Trump has been successful in avoiding unwanted confrontation with North Korea and is therefore more deserving of a peace prize than that poser Obama but let us stop giving out Peace prizes until peace is actually achieved because tearing up international treaties aimed at limiting the spread and quantity of nuclear weapons seems foolish to me. Is this what you mean when you seek to say God uses the foolish things
Uhm... all I gave you was data. I left the interpretation up to you.Quote:
Well you got the data correct even if your interpretation leaves much to be desired.
Your data is not current nor complete, as while the debt has gone up faster than revenues the last decade or so, there have been many systematic tinkering and costly circumstances that require factoring in.
If I was an Obama voter, that would be the excuse I would use. Not sure which excuse factors into having the lowest GDP growth of any pres including Reagan, who inherited a situated every bit as bad as that which Obama faced.Quote:
Your data is not current nor complete, as while the debt has gone up faster than revenues the last decade or so, there have been many systematic tinkering and costly circumstances that require factoring in.
That's inaccurate,
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296
Reagan INCREASED the debt by 186% Obama 74%
I'm not sure what you are saying was inaccurate. I said Obama had low GDP growth, which is plainly accurate, and then you come back talking about national debt. But if you want to talk about that, then fine. Your article stated, "Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $8.588 trillion. This 74 percent increase was the fifth-largest."
So it just depends on how you look at it. But to be clear, I would criticize Reagan for his debt accumulation as well as Bush II and, for now, Trump.
You see, that's how you and I are different. You will not break out of your protective shell to be critical of Obama under any circumstances. His 8 years was filled with scandal and lying, but you never mention it. Criticize Trump all you want, but at least apply the same standard to your beloved President Obama.
For the 78th time, it's all about politics.
Maybe Obama handled his so called "scandals" a lot better than yo' boy dufus and that says a lot in of itself.
Tell me Tal, what did that Muslim B'tard do for your country, other than stuffing it with debt?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well according to you he was appointed by God. You dare question YOUR God?
It's even worse than I thought. Now you are praising Obama for being clever at hiding his scandals. What praise!Quote:
Maybe Obama handled his so called "scandals" a lot better than yo' boy dufus and that says a lot in of itself.
Fact is 0 indictments of Obama's peeps, 6 in two years for the dufus. Do the math anyway you can.
And zero indicted for crimes committed while employed in the Trump administration. So that would be... zero.
Flynn was the NSA advisor for a few weeks.
On that basis he was inflicted upon youQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
OK. I stand corrected. It is ONE. ONE. A great big ONE. Whoopee.Quote:
Flynn was the NSA advisor for a few weeks.
Judge rules Epstein deal unconstitutional.
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/22/69715...-broke-the-law
Well it's not new, but another dufus cabinet member is caught in a heinous scandal.Quote:
A federal judge has ruled that Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta broke the law in 2008 along with other prosecutors. At the time, Acosta was the U.S. attorney in Miami.
Really aQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Such hyperbole used to refer to despicable actsQuote:
heinous scandal.
How about both descriptors? Either way another example of money TRUMPING justice. Epstein is no better than Cosby, or R Kelley is he?
Thank goodness he didn't do something genuinely despicable like holding a private meeting with the husband of a woman under active FBI investigation, and then just days later deciding not to file charges against the woman who, rather conveniently, just happened to be the democrat nominee for president.
That was a despicable post! How do you conflate child molesting and sexual abuse when you have NO EVIDENCE of the conversation between an ex prez, and an AG? Looks bad but come on man!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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1. You linked to an NPR report, which is a notoriously left wing news organization. I'd love to hear what Acosta has to say before drawing any conclusions.Quote:
That was a despicable post! How do you conflate child molesting and sexual abuse when you have NO EVIDENCE of the conversation between an ex prez, and an AG?
2. No evidence other than AG Lynch admitted the meeting took place?? Are you serious when you say "no evidence"?
3. If Epstein is indeed guilty, and it sure seems he is, then he should be hammered. If Acosta was playing politics with the plea deal, then he should be hammered. And if Lynch met with Clinton in secret (and she did), then she should have been dismissed the next day, but Obama would not deal with wrong-doing in his administration.
4. Sorry. My post was not despicable. Calm down. I'm still waiting for you to show any disgust at all with what Lynch did, but I know you won't since that would involve being critical of an Obama appointee and I know you won't go there.
Lynch recused herself from the case to avoid just what you are talking about. You guys make everything a deep state conspiracy, but don't want to see what the dufus is lying about. Unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
When the right-wing loonies equate child abuse with the AG meeting, you know it's time to spend time fruitfully elsewhere. After not reading it for a few weeks, I come back and see it's starting to look like something out of Alex Jones' InfoWars. The loonies are getting loonier and loonier.
Another tip-off is criticism of Trump is invariably met with something negative about Hillary or Obama, rarely challenging the criticism of Trump. And when Trump's lies are equated to Obama's "lies", one can only shake one's head.
You say "unbelievable" - so true!
I have no problem with criticisms of Trump and have said so repeatedly. What I don't care for is the continual "holier than thou" attitude of the liberals who love to criticize Trump but are so in love with Obama and Clinton that there was never a critical word spoken about them. It's also amusing to see that all the name calling on this board is coming from the people who are supposedly against hate speech. Might want to take a look at yourself before you start looking at the "right-wing loonies".
If you can't see the despicable nature of Obama's lies about Benghazi, then you are too deeply into his politics.
As for Lynch recusing herself after her completely unethical meeting with Clinton, it's a case of closing the gate after the horse has gotten out of the barn. If you think they spent 45 minutes talking about the grandchildren, then you need a larger dose of reality.
Most of us liberals have moved beyond the Obama/Clinton stuff and focused on the NOW. You don't seem to have and keep rehashing the old stuff. I suppose there is a case for that, but you really should separate the past and deal with the present. I'm sre you enjoyed blasting the dems and liberals, so why shouldn't we have fun blasting the repubs and conservatives?
No I don't like the dufus or his policies, words, behavior, or the conservatives and repubs who can ignore his behavior. That's what I express. I live in the reality of NOW, but I did see this day coming as the pendulum swung back to you guys, and what you do. No biggie.
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