Israel attacked Iranian assets that are mobilizing on the Israeli border, and launched missiles inside Israel . But I'm the one who is being accused of peddling false news.
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Israel attacked Iranian assets that are mobilizing on the Israeli border, and launched missiles inside Israel . But I'm the one who is being accused of peddling false news.
That's fine with me . I have no interest in having a debate with someone who's opening comment is a personal attack . Consider the conversation over .Quote:
You miss the point. I DO want conversation, but not with the likes of you
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Originally Posted by tomder55
The conversation was over a long time ago when your side elected to routinely employ lies and to follow the advice of Nazi Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels to "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".
You have missed the point that politics is about lies to protect your side of the debate. The left lies all the time, the truth is not in them. This si not a defence of Trump who also liesQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Right wingers never lie, they really believe the loony stuff they say! Thanks for proving my point Clete. We agree about Trump at least.
Yes but do we agree about his predecessor? Or the one before that?
We have agreed on them at times, sometimes NOT.
On what occasion did you not agree?
When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?
(from the Wall Street Journal ...not an "alt right" source). The FBI had"a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign" inside the Trump campaign .
https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-t...rce-1525992611Quote:
"When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign."
The name of the mole is the information that Devin Nunes and Tery Gowdy have been trying to get from the stone-walling FBI acting Director Rod Rosenstein. The FBI has been hiding this information from the relevant Congressional Committees for months.
The timing of the placing of the spy inside the campaign could be a revelation also since the narrative we have been spun was that the investigation began after George Papadopoulos' drunken ramblings that were overheard by an Aussie diplomat in July of 2016.
Tom dirty tricks is the stock in trade of leftists
You don't think sticking their nose into an active investigation for The Dufus is a dirty trick by the right? Not even considering they have ended their own house investigation and exonerated The Dufus of collusion while putting forth no recommendations for Russian interference of our election.
Obviously the right wing house are but sycophants, and truth and oversight are just a cover. The Dufus wants this to stop and they will sink as low as it takes to obey. That makes your assertion Clete that dirty tricks are confined to leftists a LIE at best, ignorance at worst.
You talk like a righty.
I'll ask again ;When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?
Not even a fair question Tom, since your assertion that's what was done to the Dufus has no basis in fact, and is only a conspiracy theory by some loon. Okay not a fair statement, but this is just an opinion of the writer on an opinion page. You should read more of her stuff.
Strassel ? I read her column all the time . She is no loon that's for sure . She's a highly respected journalist working for one of the premier publications in the country .She does not delve in conspiracy theory . The untold secret is that most of the media know who the FBI plant is and is just waiting for confirmation from the FBI (who have used all types of pablum to stonewall the leaders of Congress elected to provide oversight to an agency that Congress created and Congress can end .) The information will be out probably this week. We already know that the plant fed information to Papadopolus who in a fit of drunken braggadocio said to a Clintoon friendly Aussie diplomat that the Russians had access to Clintoon emails .He in turn gave that info to the FBI ;who now claim that the info was their secondary source to justify FISA warrants (after their story about the Steele Dossier proved to be a phony, unverified ,and unworthy source for granting such surveillance .)
No but I understand that the left stops at nothing to achieve their objectives, and I try not to speak in absolutes so I did not say that dirty tricks are confined to the left. I admit to having a conservative view on many subjects however my conservatism doesn't necessarily align me with what you call the right otherwise I would be blowing Dump's trumpetQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
from Reuters (not an alt right source) :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1IF2YWQuote:
A Russian company accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a propaganda operation to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is asking a federal judge for access to secret information reviewed by a grand jury before it indicted the firm.In a court filing on Monday, lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting LLC said Mueller had wrongfully accused the company of a “make-believe crime,” in a political effort by the special counsel to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian-any Russian.” They asked the judge for approval to review the instructions provided to the grand jury, saying they believed the case was deficient because Mueller lacked requisite evidence to show the company knowingly and “willfully” violated American laws. Concord is one of three entities and 13 Russian individuals charged earlier this year by Mueller’s office, in an alleged criminal and espionage conspiracy to meddle in the U.S. race, boost then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and disparage his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.
If Inspector Clousseau dismisses the indictments that will make him look bad. And if he doesn't they get discovery which will show how weak his case really is . This is why Mueller is trying to delay this even though Concord is asking for a swift trial. No doubt Mueller will try and play the "classified information " card .
Well of course it is classified, it concerns the American state and no one can be allowed to know anything about that
You know how this goes. A judge will review the evidence and rule whether it's sufficient or not. There has to be haggling and stuff by both sides first. Lawyers make motions and the other side responds. Nothing wrong with Russia putting up an aggressive defense. They can afford it.
what is interesting is not the back and forth . It is that in both this and the Flynn case ,Inspector Clousseau has opted to stall . The 6th amendment guarantees that " the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial". Mueller is trying to deny the defendants that because he knows he has no case .
Hate to break it to you Tom but this isn't about the constitution
Tom knows that Clete and he is just venting his frustrations that Mueller is attacking the Putin stooges.
I doubt that Tal, I'm sure Tom is as eager as you are that American sovereignty is upheld. You have to see this as poetic justice, American has interfered in the affairs of many countries, perhaps more covertly than these attempts, but you can't be upset with the Russians for being inept in the use of social media, it is so little used in Russia. The Trump team is guilty of being niaive, but then they aren't politicians used to manipulating public opinion. If there are any stooges in this they reside in America and hang out with the Clinton Crime CartelQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trump isn't naïve Clete, He is intent on working his will and getting what he wants. Just like another crooked president we had, NIXON. We know how that turned out and with so many scandals and nefarious activities by this lying, cheating, bully of a DUFUS, the law will catch up to him and his STOOGES.
Clinton never made it to the big spotlight the presidency would have given her, therefore irrelevant to the conversation. As for Tom he is probably watching the BREAKING NEWS about the FBI spy in Trumps organization. He should be along shortly.
Well Tal he might be but just remember none of this would have happened if Clinton didn't have prior history
68 years no convictions, no indictments, investigated up the ying yang by the right wing, and repubs … first lady, senator, secretary of state. That's her history.
That's no excuse for electing a lying, cheating, big mouth bully, who thinks he is above the law! No doubt the repubs and their racist, loony, fringe base would be at her throat had she won, but I must confess it's a lot of fun throwing darts at the Dufus that did win especially if it's TRUE!
You have to separate this Tal, Trump is a manification of anger, of rejection of internationalism. Whether it is misdirected is another argument. Trump stands for the things liberals do not. Thus he is a big target. This is surprising because Trump is at heart a liberal, but he knows that America can't give away the farm for a few trinkets.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well, you've done it again! After pissing me off with your prejudiced snobbish prattle you fascinate me with your logic and common sense. Yes The Dufus very perceptively tapped into the fear and frustration of enough Americans to get elected and throws enough red meat to his base to hold them. And yes he infuriates liberals to no end with his lying, cheating, selfish, thuggish, incompetent, CRIMINAL ways, and its only been a year? Seems longer.
I don't agree with his trade or economic policy or his interactions with the rest of the world. He thinks he is an emperor, after Obama was only called one. No doubt we will survive him though, and he will get his just dessert. Thank God for the remote, Netflix, and popcorn!
8D
Yes I've been think of tuning out on the TV myself. Same ole. Same ole, every day
However, I think it is sad you support these people
http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/f...wiretap-trump/
No, its sad YOU even read that right wing loony mass conspiracy theory crap, and believe it. You know you are a right wing loony if you believe what a lying cheating Dufus that surrounds himself with criminals and incompetents and scandalous characters and hollers they are out to get him, says.
Now get a movie and some popcorn and relax like I told you too. Take a walk in the outback and get some fresh air.
Chew on this for a while
http://www.nationalmemo.com/burn-via...s-trump-again/
We don't really need to be reminded he is up himself, but the BBC, well they are as red as it getsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How do you know that?
How do I know anything?
lol typical Dem deflection . I admire how Dem hawks have become newly converted cold warriors. But their current stand contradicts their support of the emperor's fecklessness regarding Russia. Take for instance the Magnitsky Act about adoption. These days the Dems are all in a unified voice for preserving the law .Many of these same former Obots who support the law vigorously opposed the law because they believed it would hurt the "reset " (which in itself was pandering appeasement of Putin).Quote:
the Putin stooges.
The emperor's whole reign was one of appeasement of Putin . The reset was a feeble attempt to cool the tensions after Russia invaded Georgia. During his reign the emperor unilaterally withdrew defensive missile systems from the Czech Republic and Poland(announcing the decision on the anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland).The emperor ignored Russian violations of the INF treaty while at the same time gave ground on the negotiations of a new START treaty . During his time the emperor ceded ground in Syria and opened the door to direct Russian intervention after he refused to enforce his own red line. Under the emperor the Russian seized Crimea (the first violent seizure of territory on the European continent since World War II)and invaded Ukraine with a mercenary army .Throughout his reign ,the emperor played down the Russian threat . He was caught on open mike telling Medvedev that he would have more flexibility in US Russian relations after he was reelected . He scoffed and ridiculed Romney for Romney's claim that Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat .
(“The 1980s are now calling and they want their foreign policy back,” ). So go ahead …..the only way the Dems get away with their new tough on Russia policies is the completely renounce the emperor's 8 years of appeasement . Go ahead . I want to hear it .
You miss the obvious elephant in the room and that's the facts we have a new emperor in town, and he is taking all the money and screwing up everything in the process.
Deflection? Oh, yeah, right. "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty". Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Do you know what year it is? It's 2018 and there's a new guy in town - admittedly the most moronic in history, but new. You people simply cannot have a discussion without damning Clinton or Obama. You do it like clockwork.Quote:
I admire how Dem hawks ...blah, blah, blah.....
Obama's whole reign was one of appeasement of Putin....blah, blah, blah
Obama scoffed and ridiculed Romney for Romney's claim that .... blah, blah, blah..
Obama's 8 years of appeasement. ...blah, blah, blah
You forget to mention that Obama was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire, WW1, and the Hindenburg Disaster.
I gave facts . The above is not facts ,they are fiction . You forgot one fiction however ….. that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election.Quote:
You forget to mention that Obama was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire, WW1, and the Hindenburg Disaster.
I think it is more like an @ss , you know long ears and kicks everything in sight even though it appears to be an elephant trumpeting its gloryQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You forgot the Saudis and Israelis. Yeah I know, it's okay for the Dufus to do whatever he wants as long as he can sign his name. Let's not forget his new buddy Kim.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdvPMRIU8AEwchP.jpg
[QUOTE=talaniman;3816206]You forgot the Saudis and Israelis. Yeah I know, it's okay for the Dufus to do whatever he wants as long as he can sign his name. Let's not forget his new buddy Kim./QUOTE]
Imagine that Two Dickhea@ds in the same image
LOL, I like that Clete, nogheads forever linked together in foolish folly.
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