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I get Salon.com in my email every day. I read that article when it first came out. "[H]e killed women because he resented them for not sleeping with him, and he killed men because he resented them for having the success he felt he was denied."Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
Did you see a Salon article today? 4chan and the Oregon shooter: What the suspicious thread says about a horrifying subculture of young male rage - Salon.com
The most important thing happen is not when Christ was on Earth but When He died.Quote:
So if you ask me, God only lend us Jesus for 33 years and for an infinite being like him, 33 years is nothing! So really I am totally not impressed by what God has done to show his love for human kind.
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because if he wanted to, he could intervene at any time
Exactly! But He didn't do that... Why do you think?
I think I am confuse here! You say you know what Jesus said and Love your neighbor and agree etc etc and same time you say you hate Jehovah? I don't get this part!
Also, I think you became atheist directly from being RC, is that right? If not Please correct me!
I get it that you had very bad experience with your world around, family growing up! But please don't fail to consider the experience of people who had different experience then you. They have experience the struggle and love in marriage... same time.
About Pope, Well, I use to agree upon everything what my Father/priest use to say. Until the day I read myself what's in there and tried to seek answers from God himself not any man. I still try to learn from others experience and revelation though.
You are very well empathizing and reasoning for Buddha! ButQuote:
Yes, I know that Siddharta Gautam left his wive and son but like I said earlier, I am pro divorce as well. He left them well cared for!
I don't know why you hate God! Atheist means they don't believe in 'God' existence. But you don't hate anything that doesn't exist! So, I don't get this part to! So, why these inconsistencies in your post?Quote:
And about God giving his only son. I am totally not impressed. For me that is no compensation for every atrocity that he committed in the old testament.
[QUOTE][What is the best way to deal with this problem?/QUOTE]
If you ask me! In regards to your answer for you original and question. I will answer that.
I don't know every answer but I think the best way to deal with it is to start from yourself, what you want to see in the world.
Prescious you seem confused about Jesus. He came with a purpose so he only needed a short time to get the job done, he then left it to us to spread the word, somewhere along the way the message become confused and man started to make it about themselves and exploit others, what we recognise today as religion and the RC is a manifestation of that. You waste your time debating athiests. They want a godless existence, so let them have it, the consequences are theirs
Misspurple, You cannot judge God according to your standard of behaviour
Celet! What I meant is, I am confused about misspurple saying things like she hate bible, God, and same time she believes in Jesus words like love thy neighbor etc. so that was confusing.
I don't believe in Jesus anymore. But I didn't forget his teachings and I just don't understand how so many people that still say that they are Christians don't follow those things that he said. If they would, the world would have been a better place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious7
Did you watch the YouTube clip that I posted with Stephen Frye? He explains very clearly that as an atheist I don't even believe that Jehova exists, so I don't hate him, I can't hate something that doesn't exist, but if he were real, I would despise him.
If even after watching that clip, you still don't understand what my point of view is, I really don't think that I can explain it to you.
I didn't went straight from being a Catholic to an atheist. When I was 18 I wanted to convert to protestantism, because protestants are allowed to use birth control, get a divorce, use IVF etc. But my father exploded. He said that no one in the family ever left Catholicism, so neither would I. The Bible also says that you should honour your parents, so I only stayed Catholic in name.
But Jehova is still Jehova, it doesn't matter whether you are a Catholic or a protestant, what Stephen Frye says, still applies.
If you are interested to know in what I do believe in, it is called humanism and contains a lot of values that I used to think were Christian, but it turned out that Confucius already taught the golden rule, it wasn't invented by Christ. When I was still a teenager I really didn't understand where people that didn't believe in God got their morals from. But now I understand that most people have better morals than those of Christianity as soon as they are against slavery or they don't want to stone someone who committed adultery, wears clothes from different fabrics or even eats shrimps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious7
I understand now that empathy is the source of morals. And as soon as you resort to start calling people Untermenschen or savages or animals, you don't emphatise with them anymore and that is when cruelty starts, which can lead to genocide.
Sorry but Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism... and Judaism goes back to some of the earliest recorded History. I'm College educated so where are these Humanism records that predate Judaism? Most Religions that pre and post dated Judaism in that Era revolved around pagan and Idol worship. Humanism is a relative newcomer.
Oh I think humanism has always been with us, Eve was the first humanist wanting to be like God but questioning his word. I don't listen to people like Fry because they are lost and therefore cannot enlighten me. I know the truth, the manifest reality of God, I have experienced it.
You want to judge God, say his ways are not just but how do you know? You weren't there at the events that are described. Today we are living with the result of Abraham's lack of faith, Ismael. The works of man give birth to Ismaels, the work of God gave birth to Jesus, to someone even you acknowledge the superiority of his teachings. Do the Muslims follow his teachings, no, they follow someone who couldn't discern whether it was God or Satan who was speaking to him, so I don't listen to him either.
Maybe you should go back and study where Judaism evolved from and get some insights into the history of ancient man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrews
The history of man and his religion is full of examples of a part of a tribe walking away from the bigger and starting it's own dogma, and blasting another tribe's dogma even to the point of WAR. (Read the accounts of the ancient wars) Not very god like behavior in my opinion, but being cruel to a fellow human who is "different" in some way or another can always be justified by whatever god they espouse as a true believer.Quote:
Since the Hebrew Bible makes a point of marking the Canaanites as peoples set apart from the Israelites, the extent of the distinction between the culture of the Canaanites and the Israelites is a matter of debate. It has been argued that the Israelites were themselves Canaanites, and that "historical Israel", as distinct from "literary" or "Biblical Israel" was a subset of Canaanite culture. It is also known that Israelites and later the subdivision of Israelites known as the Judeans spoke Hebrew as their main language and it is still used in Jewish holy scriptures, study, speech and prayer.
In truth there is no difference between humans except the ones they themselve create to elevate themselves over others. That's the conflict of man, trying to convert and assimilate instead of sharing bread.
You want to do something about the hate Misspurple? Its really simple... don't hate. It's not man's planet (Even though he THINKS god GAVE him dominion... dumb humans) he is just along for the ride like the rest of the LIFE here.
Hi Talaniman, I don't hate people and certainly not white people or Christians like some people think. I hate hate, I have no tolerance for intolerance. So it are the actions that I condemn, done by individuals, I don't blame an entire group for the actions of some of their members.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I hate terrorism, but I don't hate all Muslims or Christians, just because both groups include some fanatics that use their religion as an excuse to murder nonbelievers.
So I already took your advice and I reach out to people of all colors and all religions, but is that really all that I can do? It really doesn't help to prevent the before mentioned Hungarian journalist from kicking a refugee for example. How can we stop that hatred? That is what my question is about. How do we stop people from burning mosques, what is happening today here in The Netherlands? And how do we stop some of those horrible Muslim Youth in The Netherlands from terrorising the LGBT community? I am really not blind to the atrocities that Muslims commit, as some people seem to think on this thread. I am against all intolerance, not only by white Christians, but also by Muslims or the LGBT. In 2002 a gay Dutch politician got murdered, he was a racist: Pim Fortuyn. I think that it is wrong that he got killed, but I also had a problem with the hate that he spread towards Muslims, so I don't have a blind spot for the hatred that the LGBT community can spread as well.
My question is about those hatefull people, that spread lies about refugees and call them animals or say that they should be killed. Is there anything that can be done, to let them see the errors in their way of thinking?
You cannot control the thoughts and actions of others, let alone what they feel in their hearts. You can only do your best to control your own thoughts, actions, and heart.
In a word, don't let others get you all jacked up. You will be a crazy frustrated nut if you think they will change. So let them be the crazy frustrated NUTS they wish to make of you. Understand they can no more change the hearts of others either so don't let them change yours.
They are not perfect but neither are you (Or ME ;D). Don't try to be perfect, just be GOOD!
Nobody here is trying to change her religion... or lack thereof... she can worship the container of sugar on the shelf if it makes her happy. I'm no missionary and believe everyone will get what they deserve when the die and meet their maker.
If the Atheists are tight... nobody will ever know because everything will end when you die. If they aren't well, what happens next is a result of their own choices. Its amazing that people believe there is no god or afterlife get so excited and worked up about other people that think there is.
She is as entitled to whatever opinion she has as you are. If you can trash a whole race then expect to get trashed in return.
She is the only one that's trashed any race here so far...specifically bashed WHITE people (and almost exclusively United States Citizens) accusing them of Genocides that never happened in numbers that were wildly inflated by orders of magnitude.
I bashed Islam and have every right to...in fact I have more of a right than most do in that area. And Islam is not a race...its a choice.
Dude... really?? You bash races and religions on a regular basis and it's the height of hypocrisy you take offense when you THINK someone else is bashing YOU and yours. You didn't bother correcting her so called untrue facts with facts of your own either.
Stop playing victim you big bully!
What RACE? Plenty of times She SPECIFICALLY bashed Whites, Christians, Americans in this thread... accusing them of Genocides that never happened, claimed numbers that were clearly impossible , acted like the only slavery that ever happened anywhere was here, In fact she did it over and over again. And I can back up EVERYTHING I claim... she however can't back up anything. Sorry tal but as much as I respect you... she has not only crossed certain lines over and over... she spit in our faces as well. Not to mention specifically claiming to be morally superior to everyone else.
Yes... in the posts that were editied and deleted. I remember a couple specifically that are no longer there.
Yeah... I have a right to respond to that... particularly since it was she that started that.
I overlook a lot of things...but I can not overlook series of complete fallacies and attacks from someone who has openly professed their hatred towards Amercians and White people specificly. THen turns around and pretends they never said it after repeating it a dozen + times.
I don't know where she gets these numbers and "facts" from....particularly since she doesn't even live on this side of the Atlantic. Her parents were from a seriously impoverished country...which does not have a world class education system...one in which she was at least partially educated in.
Personally I don't care of she is atheist. Its her choice, and I have no desire to convert her but it doesn't make her better than everyone else like she thinks and has basically said.
I'd have given her a lot more leeway if her English skills were not as good as they are. Because she does have an impressive grasp of English. I'm fluent in Italian...but its still not as good as her English is.
You know where she gets her facts from, she has been listening to athiests and muslims and probably a few south american revolutionaries along the way
Thank you Talaniman:-).Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I am very aware that I am not perfect! It is too bad that there is nothing that I can do against a lot of intolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But since I personally made some changes, I know that some people sometimes can change. And although some people try to poison my heart with hatred for others, I don't let them:-).
Do you know where intolerance comes from? It comes from the actions of people. Some people don't act in a reasonable manner, they don't respect and as a result you get chaos, look a Muslims in places like Pakistan, for example, they used the cartoons published in Europe as an excuse to kill their own people and rampage. Now I can understand people in Holland being upset, but half a world away, they are just looking for an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
You want to change, widen your circle of friends, allow others to express themselves and stay away from social media because we don't care what they say on Facebook
Yeah misspurple, be like Clete and hate all Muslims (native, asians and americans, and the list goes on) for the actions of a few and give the prejudiced their due respect.
Sorry Clete it's not okay to attack constantly and then be offended when you THINK you are attacked.
What's this we stuff Kimosabe?Quote:
You want to change, widen your circle of friends, allow others to express themselves and stay away from social media because we don't care what they say on Facebook
Hi tal her original post said she came here because of what she saw on Facebook, I guess she couldn't get a good rational argument. As far as Muslims are concerned they are the most deceived people on Earth and what is sad is they cannot discern it. Tell me tal who else do you see committing widespread mayhem these days, aside from some misguided souls in the US who may or may not be influenced by them. By the way I'm not the lone stranger
Point is Tal anyone can attack me but like Braveheart they shall never take my freedom. There are no native muslims where I live, just the migrant kind, the natives don't like them
Morning to you Clete. Thanks for not disappointing by doubling down on your prejudice, but shouldn't you take your own advice and expand your own knowledge wider than your own social circle? Braveheart did more than talk amongst his fellows he did something about his oppression, as are many Muslims across the globe. I will agree some are misguided and stupid, choosing to kill innocents, but humans running from conflicts in their native land is a long held natural traditional reaction.
Everybody has done it, and that's the basis of this thread. Just because you and Smoothy refuse to acknowledge the elephant and focus on the trunk is not anybody's fault but your own. Playing bully and victim is so disgusting.
Enjoy your freedom today, if that's what you want to call your entitled arrogance.
Talk about the pot calling the Kettle Black.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
YOU are the person here who basically called everyone who is not you a racist.
But don't fear... YOU can have all the Muslims you want in your tiny little country. When they start acting like they have in England.. and in France... don't come to us for help, because you asked for it. It isn't IF, but WHEN it will happen. 1,600 years of History proves it will. Just like every it has every other place on Earth.. That's a FACT... that's REALITY. Ignore history at your own peril. Your English is good enough I'm certain you understand what "Ignore history at your own peril" means. There is also another saying....those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Its not the individual that is the threat on average....its the collective and the mob mentality when they collect in numbers great enough in any one place. I have a number of Muslims I consider good friends..I however know well enough what they do in large enough numbers that I do not trust them in the whole.
And I have actual direct experience backing that up...not knowing just a couple people then jumping to the conclusion they are all just like them.
My work and life experience has had me places, seen things not to mention done things....very , very few people have.and likely no more than a couple on this entire site have...if that many. The sort of things most people only see in movies or read about in books. The sorts of things I am not even allowed legally to specify in any sort of detail.
The fact is the world isn't all about absolutes...Good or bad, black or white....Because it is all about shades of grey...and degrees of good or bad. Believing otherwise is dangerous and foolish.
And trusting the wrong people for idealistic reasons while pointing fingers at the people who you really want to be your friends can have serious and sometimes fatal consequences when the people you thought were friends turn on you and the people that wanted to be your friends turn their backs because you put them down.
Oh give it up and go back to worshipping Assad and Vlad, your heroes. France isn't all that big on religious freedoms not even for Christians so go spit!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French...ols_in_schools
Okey! I get it that, you are a humanitarian. You don't believe in any Jesus. I understand your concern about people telling they are Christian but do the opposite way and I totally agree with you on this, this is very unfortunate. But here is the thing misspurple, People have their own walk with God and also they are in different level of growing, all are in different level of revelation, some are baby some are grown. Don't let other's action cause you to disbelieve in what you were believing. Its Just between you and God. People will fall, they are not perfect. When I was very young Christian I would have done so many things that doesn't align with the word of God thinking that I was doing it right. But as I grew more and more, I got corrected and have myself grew more in wisdom and revelation to do those same thing correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
A Youtube clip! I get an idea of what you believe but its not going to change my heart and real life experiences and presence of God as an evidence of His existence in my life. HE has healed me, protected me, rescued me and saved me. I have seen paralyzed people walking in Jesus name after being paralyzed about 28/27 yrs, I have seen cancer vanishing from body even it was 3rd stage, I have seen people living a sober life, I have seen marriage been saved, I have seen providence in life out of nowhere, I have seen pain going off in Jesus name, I have seen cancer cell getting vanished in Jesus name and doctors wondering in amazement that where did it go? I have seen deaf hearing in Jesus name, Just last week I have seen my friend healed in Jesus name, walking without crutches and jumping and running after 5 months being in accident and told by others that she is going to be disable for her whole life. When I see her walking and in her eyes the tears of gratitude and Joy and humbleness, I cant stop myself being humbled and more strongly falling in Love with God. And many many many more I cant write it here. SO, I cant even dare to question His existence when He has revealed me again and again. ''I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.'' ''Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find... ''
I don't know what else to say, I can speak for myself not forcing anybody. This is it!
God never answered my prayers, so I have a totally different experience. But I am not trying to take your faith from you, I only tried to take away your confusion about what my beliefs exactly are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious7
The French aren't all that big on a lot of stuff. Funny how people can call the Americans Arrogant... but ignore the French and most other Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Plenty of arrogance to go around there too. Don't have to spend that much time there to see it either. It's not a bad place to visit... but I wouldn't want to live there. And I have spent a fair amount of time there. Cleaner on average than Italy... but the Italian people are not nearly as uppity as most of Europe is. Weathers better in Italy too. But then Italy has a lot of arrogant people too.
And no... I don't have ANY Italian blood in my History. German yeah... 50%... 0% Italian.
I just read the article, I hadn't come around to it earlier. I already knew that there are a lot angry, entitled, misogynistic men out there. Asides from all the guns there, I blame American culture and upbringing, not mental illnes for that. We never had a shooter like that over here. There are also a lot more rapes over there than here. You probably won't like what I will say right now, but I see the Bible as a misogynistic book. The Abrahamic God is representative for a patriarchical society. Because the US is so Christian it is so patriarchal. It is very secular over here, so those values aren't as intertwined with Dutch society as with US society. According to the Bible women should be obedient. So unconsciously these angry misogynists, feel that they are being wronged, for not having sex with an obedient girlfriend, that they are raised to believe would adore them.
In the US a lot of children are being raised with the idea that they should save themselves for marriage. Here premarital sex is the norm. But there lots of people already slutshame you for simply not being a virgin. Once young women are labeled sluts, they are respected less and that makes it easier to rape them.
So, I am absolutely not saying this to upset you, but if it was just simply mental illnes, there would have been as much angry male shootings over here as there. Everybody will agree with me, that there is no reason to assume that the mental health is that much better in Europe as in the US, so why does this keeps happening in the US? I blame it on this and of course on the gun laws over there.
He legally purchased guns. The huge majority of U.S. gun owners don't become mass murderers. (And I'm not an NRA member or "gun nut.") But look at the age of this shooter and Adam Lanza's age and Dylann Roof's age and the ages of most of the recent mass murderers. Do you see something interesting? Maybe that's what we need to consider and wonder why. And start doing something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
Yes, he legally purchased guns. I am absolutely certain of it, that with better laws, just like Obama said, this could have been prevented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes, age also has something to do with it. That is what I also addressed, I think that the US culture produces young entitled men. They get so angry because they feel entitled to something that they don't get. They idolise each other. On another forum there was this guy that really did say that he had Asperger's and he idolised Elliot Rodger. They banned him, but he kept coming back. He asked questions like: Should women be killed if they refuse to suck an autistic guys penis. I suspect that I know his name, because he once posted his Facebook profile picture, asking us for our opinions of him. I am not a US citizen, but in light of what happened, do you think that it is wise to give his information to the US authorities? In case this guy plans to be the next shooter?
There are many guns laws now that are not enforced or fully enforced. What gun law would have stopped the Oregon shooter?
The one that would have prevented him from owning a gun! But as you know I am a foreigner, so I really didn't know that there are laws, that aren't being enforced or what they exacty entail. So maybe one of those laws would have been enough, if it was enforced.
Did you see Obama's speech?
"This is a political choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loves ones because of our inaction. When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer. When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer. When roads are unsafe, we fix them to reduce auto fatalities. We have seatbelt laws because we know it saves lives. The notion that gun violence is somehow different—that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt, and protect their families, and do everything they do under such regulations—doesn't make sense."
First time that I saw a like by Mark Zuckerberg himself, BTW!
But why would he have been prevented? He had no prison or mental-illness history.
Yes, I saw Obama's speech.
Oh yes there have been shootings in Europe They have made the news...do you even watch the news?... The violent crime rate in most have Europe is Higher than it is in the USA. In fact in the UK its TWICE as high as the USA. But then... why let things like facts get in the way of a rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
DO you actually think taking away guns will stop Killings? You are seriously delusional if you think that.
And Taking away guns.. Thats How Hitler and the National Socialists could solidify power like they did, They disarmed everyone. But then... Europeans really don't have a concept of what a bull of rights is... they don't have one. Any rights the have today can EASILY be taken away tomorrow.
The City I live in has had ONE....read that ONE murder in the last 5 years and it wasn't gun related..it was a stabbing...maybe you think its a good idea to outlaw knives...far more people get stabbed to death with knives than shot. Statistics back that up...look them up. Good luck finding a city in Europe that can make that same claim.
In fact motor vehicles kill far, far more people than anything else, maybe you want to outlaw them too, How about hammers, 2X4 wooden beams in fact anything that can be used as a club....far more people are beaten to death with blunt objects than guns....but why let facts get in the way.
Seriously where are you getting these "facts"...are you dreaming them up?
Want to keep people safe..you lock up the criminals and keep the people with mental disorders off the streets. Because you can't force them to stay on their medications. And that's when many of them become a danger.
Most gun owners NEVER commit a crime in their lives...But most people that have committed murders have committed other crimes previously or have some sort of mental illness. Blame them..not the guns. They are inanimate object....No gun has every gotten up and shot anyone ever in history. They can't. Its impossible.
And a lot of these "angry young Males"... are taught to be that way....they are never punished growing up, they are taught they are special and they are taught they are entitled to anything they want.....not anything they work hard enough to earn, most are never taught to have respect for anyone or anything. They think they are entitled to respect despite having never done anything to earn it.
When they find out the real world is not like they were taught to believe they get angry and upset they can't have everything right now without working to earn it.
I worked hard for 34 years AFTER college to get where I am....kids today think they are entitled to everything right out of school. They aren't willing to work their way up...because NOBODY fresh out of school knows as much as they will even a few more years out of school if they work hard and apply themselves.
Ask an 18 year old and they think they know everything. Ask that same person at 30 and they will laugh about how little they knew at 18 despite what they thought at the time.
Again, that is why I do not blame mental illnes. Here you need a valid reason to get a gun, could he have provided one? Here they take a psycholigical test when you want to purchase a gun, did they take one from him?
Of course it is impossible to say without a doubt that this particular case could have been prevented, but the cause of why this has happened for the 15th times, since Obama became President in the US, should be taken care of, so that this will at least happen less often.
We had one mass shooting in The Netherlands, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphen..._mall_shooting on April 9th 2011 and that one was definitely preventable! In the past a gun permit was denied, but they overlooked his psychiatric history, when they did give him a permit. His parents immediately protested in 2008 and alerted the authorities, that their son shouldn't be allowed to own guns, but the authorities didn't reacted as they should. So since the shooting here was the direct result of people not doing their jobs, I do believe that some mass shootings are preventable and at least some of the 15 that Obama had to deal with, were preventable.
But that is all that I can say about it, I am not an expert in these matters.
EDIT: To avoid any confusion, Tristan wasn't an angry misogynist, Anders Breivik, the Norwegian shooter, was a racist, not a misogynist. So allthough we do have mass shooters here, they seem to have another motive than most of the shooters in the US and that is where I think the culture plays a role. Anders Breivik is different anyway: he is still alive! He didn't wanted to commit suidice, he wanted to change the world! Anders Breivik is the one shooter that could have been assesed by psychiatrists and he wasn't mentally ill.
Which psychological test? Who gives it? Who scores it? Who pays for it?
Obama is an idiot. ( he has fought hard to keep his college transcripts a secret, so he can't prove he really was smart or even had good grades.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
He proves it every time he opens his mouth. Thank goodness we will soon be relieved of the blight he has brought to this country.
Well, I would say psychologists that are approved by the government and of course the person wanting the permit, should have to pay for it! I also paid for my driverslicense, for the lessons, for the exam, all of that to keep the streets safe, so why would it be any different for a gun?
At least the purpose of a car is not to kill, the purpose of a gun is to kill!
No you DON'T have to have a valid reason... You should have to have a valid reason to open your mouth and talk before you are allowed too? We have the RIGHT to have them... that's a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. And it is codified in our constitution... stupid people also have the right to make fools out of themselves too... that's another one. NO rights are more sacred than the right to own guns and defend yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
In fact people that even think they have the right to deny our right to own guns... is dangerous and a threat to everyone and freedom everywhere.
Funny how Europeans have no grasp of what rights actuall yare or how sacred they are... when any "right" they have today can be taken away tomorrow and there is nothing they can do.
In fact IN many states you actually have the right to carry guns...You don't see many thugs committing crimes in VA, But cross the river into DC where only criminals have guns...crime is rampant.
In fact EVERY mass shooting that has ever happened was in a gun free zone......lot of good that did. Criminals don't obey the law...and it meant law abiding citizens that could have stopped them were not armed to do anything.
No you DON'T have to have a valid reason... You should have to have a valid reason to open your mouth and talk before you are allowed too? We have the RIGHT to have them... that's a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. And it is codified in our constitution... stupid people also have the right to make fools out of themselves too... that's another one. NO rights are more sacred than the right to own guns and defend yourself.
In fact people that even think they have the right to deny our right to own guns... is dangerous and a threat to everyone and freedom everywhere.
Funny how Europeans have no grasp of what rights actuall yare or how sacred they are... when any "right" they have today can be taken away tomorrow and there is nothing they can do.
And if you think something is so just because you found it in Wikipedia. You are a fool. Ask wondergirl....I gave her one example were NOTHING on Wikipedia or elsewhere on the Internet was factual. There are LOTS of examples were its contents on certain topics is completely inaccurate. Sure SOME things are. But then a broken clock is still right twice a day too.
Google Alien Abduction....take a look at the numbers of topics...doesn't make it so....same with Bigfoot. Lots of people are convinced that is real.....yet no proof exists.
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