Perhaps you could have them patrol the streets of other US cities to deter gun violence
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Perhaps you could have them patrol the streets of other US cities to deter gun violence
Oath Keepers parading on the south side of Chicago?? Never going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I was referring to the Red Capped Guardian Angels not the gun tottin vigilanteesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
There is a Chicago Chapter of the Guardian Angels. They mostly patrol the Chicago Transit Authority .It was organized by Miguel Fuentes .
Perhaps they should extend their activities
They are not the police dept and don't pretend to be . When they first started in the bad old days of NYC ;when the murder rate numbered in the thousands annually ,they were considered a mob of vigilantes by the Koch Adm . But they proved over time that they were not threat to anyone except the mugger on the street. They broke up muggings and did the occasional citizen's arrest. They created a liason with the police and the local communities and were eventually accepted as an asset. Over time ;with proper policing by the Rudy Guilliani and Michael Bloomberg administrations they became less important and sorta faded away .
The reason for this comeback here is that the current commie in chief has let policing ;especially quality of life enforcement laws deteriorate . This is a deliberate attempt in my view because he governs from an ideological view where he believes the police are the problem ,and not the thugs .
When Central Park was safe it was averaging 40million visitors a year. But crime is up 26 % in Central Park and it is becoming an unsafe place for residents and visitors to be. The Guardian Angels can only do so much on their own. I also don't believe de Blasio will have their back.
Better I think if the young protesting minorities who wish to be heard and acknowledged would vote in the off year elections they could maximize the gains that have already been made. Just being angry and excited during a presidential election year is clearly not enough to effect the change they scream about.
While the right continues to erode the rights of voters and even seek to diminish the power that the youths have in ever growing numbers, the youths just holler and give no actions to their rather loud voices. What a waste in my mind to elect a democrat to the white house, and then abandon him to the whims of the right wing repubs.
Holler, blame, and call names is a right wing tactic that is a poor substitute for not taking their young a$$es to the polls every 2 years instead of just every 4!
the emperor has done an aweful lot of damage for someone who is constantly being "obstructed " .Perhaps that whole obstruction thing is a tired old meme that had no merit .
Where you see 'erode the rights of voters ' ;I see guaranteeing the integrity of the franchise . Why don't you just admit it . You want everyone undocumented and ineligble to vote . The Dems would not survive in this country without vote fraud.
You know why they really scream ? Because they are beholden to a party that they give almost all their vote to ;and after the elections they are completely ignored by the elected officials they voted for . I can't blame them for that frustration ;But I suggest the cure would be to diversify their vote and make their elected officials fear that they will lose their support ....or even better ; try some conservative management of the cities they reside in . NYC is a much better place because of the time that Rudy and Bloomy managed the town (despite my critique of Nanny Bloomy ,he was an effective Mayor ).Quote:
Better I think if the young protesting minorities who wish to be heard and acknowledged would vote in the off year elections they could maximize the gains that have already been made. Just being angry and excited during a presidential election year is clearly not enough to effect the change they scream about.
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emperor has done an aweful lot of damage
That's what YOU want. That's why repubs purge eligible voters along with the ineligible ones, and make it harder for eligible voters to vote. (TYPO?)Quote:
You want everyone undocumented and ineligible to vote
You would love to think that, as unrealistic, and factually false as that is, but it plays well with the racists, and loonies, and bible thumpers, that make up the base of the repub party.Quote:
The Dems would not survive in this country without vote fraud.
Valid ID at the Polls assures legal voters get to vote and illegal voters don't.
You can't apply or collect welfare, food stamps... or get section 8 housing vouchers if you can't provide a legal form of ID.
Why should you be allowed to vote without one.
Only reason to oppose that is because of actually wanting people with no right to vote, to vote and vote often.
no grammar issue You want every undocumented and ineligble person to vote .Quote:
You want everyone undocumented and ineligible to vote That's what YOU want. That's why repubs purge eligible voters along with the ineligible ones, and make it harder for eligible voters to vote. (TYPO?)
I am not opposed to ID, never have been. But when a gun permit is acceptable, and not a student ID (See Texas, already struck down by federal judges AGAIN this year) then I just get suspicious.
And then there is this nugget to consider,
Voter Purges | Brennan Center for Justice,
And for fact we have on record many republicans admitting to making it harder for eligible voters to vote, mostly elderly and minorities, to insure repubs win. (Links provided of these confessions in previous threads on this subject).
Student ID's are not government issued... and easily faked or duplicated. Not to mention non-standard...and issued to illegals who have no right to vote, proof they attend school is not proof of voting eligibility.. Illegals can't get a gun permit. And gun permits require a proof of ID...as well as a background check to get, unlike School ID's.
In the school district I am bled dry in property taxes to support...28% of the students (admitted by the district) are illegals, no idea how many are children of Foreign dignitaries or other foreign workers...none of whom are eligible to vote
Even in Community colleges or Universities...Illegals and foreign students attend, and have student ID's. None of them are eligible to vote.
Smoothy enlighten me, in a country where voting is not compulsory why would an illegal immigrant vote? I would have thought that an illegal immigrant would want to keep their head down and not draw attention to themselves in any way. Surely there are standards for voter registration and voter identification? It seems a strange debate about what is a valid ID. It just appears strange to me but then I live in a place where we try to take the least complex path to a solution and the idea is to get the job done not prevent the job from being done
They are usually Paid to do it by groups Like ACORN... who still exist only under different names.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Wow I wish someone would pay me to vote instead of just inconveniencing me to try and find a polling place in the usual place. I'm waiting until they perfect online voting, I fail to understand why we don't already have the facility we already interact with various government agencies online and will do the census on line next year. Here's an idea as part of the Census let's fill in our voting preference and do away with the crap.
You have to understand Clete that the right wing needs an excuse to losing the national elections because of increasing minority turnout. Rather than appeal to all voters they pander to their own and raise the specter of voting fraud by the dems to greater proportions than it is (You notice they never have voting fraud by their side!).
Every party panders to their own Tal and sometimes dirty tricks get involved, that happens everywhere but it becomes less likely when you have a full turnout. Obama managed to mobilise the masses, but a one man show doesn't provide government as has been clearly demonstrated. Someone must concentrate on getting a majority where it counts, which is right across the board. Personally, I cannot understand a system that can elect a head of state who is of a different persuasion to the House in the same election
You have to recognize that fewer of us here just vote a straight party line, as states and regions have their own personalities and likes, and dislikes. Even when one party rule the branches of government the power out of power has many options to keep the party in power in check somewhat.
I fully agree though that all the parties have their share of tricks, traps, and shenanigans. Goes without saying that independents are a growing deciding factor in the repub/dem war, and party labels can be changed at a drop of a hat for any reason.
Sure, in the "hood" area of Atlanta, where I used to live. They would have buses that would pick up people from the parks, streets, under the bridges, give them a little money, and a free meal after they vote.
Clete to answer your questions . smoothy is correct in that there are many states with same day registration ;early voting , and yes illegals with forged id's or stolen id's do register and vote . Mass registration drives aren’t able to give due attention to eligibility , and so illegal immigrants will still get through even under the threat of stiff penalty .
Now why would they take the risk ? smoothy again correctly notes that sometimes there is a payout .But even without that incentive ,simply stated ,they are voting for the party that most imitates Santa Claus with the givaways ...the ones that create 'sanctuary cities ' so they can avoid consequences for being here illegally ... the party that promotes people dependency on the government .
btw Guess which party promotes the idea that illegals SHOULD be allowed to vote ? Yup ,the Dems.
Most Democrats Think Illegal Immigrants Should Vote - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢
Their major money patron George Soros has agreed to pour $5 million into a national effort to protect and expand early voting.
Secretaries of state from Ohio and Kansas testified to Congress in February tha they won’t have the tools to sniff out illegal immigrants who register anyway, ignoring stiff penalties to fill out the registration forms that are easily available at shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus and in curbside registration drives.
Those tolerant of illegal immigrant voting ,like tal ,often camouflage their arguments by stating that voter ID laws, which are meant to discourage unlawful voting of any sort, are being aimed at minorities. There is no evidence to back up that assertion. Instead ,in North Carolina, minority voter turnout actually increased since the passage of North Carolina’s election integrity bill.
The Dems are taking their lead from their elected officials . Wendy Rosen, The Democratic candidate for Maryland’s 1st Congressional District , was forced to end her candidacy after it was discovered that she committed voter fraud by casting a ballot in both Maryland and Florida in multiple political contests .
Connecticut Rep Christine Ayala was caught voting early and often. She was charged with 19 felony counts. Her arrest forced Connecticut Dems change their message from there is no voter fraud to fraud doesn’t occur — but when it does, we won’t tolerate it.
Let's face facts . The Dems will not be able to hold together the Obama coalition in 2016 ,not even among the Blacks . So they need a new source of turnout . Hence their courting of illegals.
Quite frankly ,having a state provided drivers license is not an adequate id. California is handing out drivers licenses to illegals and has been doing it since the beginning of the year .
California issues 110,000 driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants - San Jose Mercury News
The licenses read "not acceptable for official federal purposes" . But states run elections ,and not all elections are Federal . In Nevada where there is a similar law ,a full 80% of the applicants fail the reading test . But that requirment hasn't stopped California from issuing them . California expects to give 1.4 million licenses to illegals in the next 3 years .
talking about Trump again ?Quote:
and party labels can bechanged at a drop of a hat for any reason.
Lets Put the Black Asides for a Minutes.. I have witness in real life and will be able to proof .. in to the Court of the Law...
From North Baltimore through In New England's..South up to Orlando,FL.. 98% Drug Dealer, Heroine Dealer,
Prescription Drugs Distributors, Pimp are INDIAN. Not American IDNIAN. I mean South East Asian, and their Victims are Welfare.. WHITE.. some Black too !
How this culture has changed? Do you believe, Bobby Jindal played a role on this? They Imported Drugs from Canada trough Maine.
Should we have to wait another 250 years to Scream, " White Life Matters"?
Come on.. make two label.. Criminal are criminal .. Black or White, or even IVY League Grad.. Asian.
Yes Miss there are lots of criminals among immigrants and you find that all over, where I come from the lebanese have taken over the motor cycle gangs and drug distribution. Those people came here as refugees. Asian crime gangs have been around a long time. There are more and more opportunists on the move because of wars and economic problems but there are lots of home grown criminals too and poverty breeds it
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