Really? What do the Kardashians say??

got me .You may think that Sharpton is only a celeb. But he has been prominent in American news for years now be it instigating riots ,or playing the shake down game . Recently he was at the table with the emperor ,as a key advisor on racial issues ,discussing the riots in Ferguson Mo. ;and he has a number of times been on the podium with the mayor of NYC Sandanista Bill regarding city policing policy . He is the defacto deputy mayor .

Shifting an international theme back to local issues again Tom? Who cares what Sharpton thinks or does, only a minority. It is immaterial to the outcome in Iraq or Syria

not me . just responding to 1st Tal observation ,and then NK's snipes.

Human rights is an international theme Clete, as are cyber attacks.

I'm a sniper.

Hi tal it might be until you introduce a local issue, I could speak about many local human rights issues, like what caused that case in Cairns but it has nothing to do with ISIS and the crisis in the ME. You want to talk human rights abuses in the USA and elsewhere start a new thread or use the thread that is already there

Isis is local, Iraq is local, and you are NOT in the middle east.

ISIS is an international threat they are not confined to Iraq or Syria, They represent a threat even as far from the middle east as I live, their ideas find resonance in the muslim community everywhere. We will see how much you howl when they manifest themselves among you. We had that incident last week and a terrorists on trial for planning ISIS promoted public beheadings. How less local can you get.

It seems to be you can't divorce the limited local issues you have, from a broader debate. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot and you may be able to have a broader perspective

Your latest incident didn't deal with ISIS. But your own local nut. You are the one attaching international flavor to your anti muslim blatherings because the fool was making himself seem attached to a cause rather than his own deluded lunacy.

You could blow ISIS away right now and still have to deal with local fools. They were all over the place before ISIS, they will be all over the place after ISIS. Hell bet you have a motorcycle gang that gives YOU guys more trouble than ISIS does.

Hi Tal yes we have motor cycle gangs, offshoots of the nonsense in the US, they have their heads down at the moment, in some places they have been declared illegal organisations, and incidentally they have become a haven for local muslim criminals and so are a breeding ground for people like ISIS. What you may have missed is you let an Australian Muslim go from Gitmo who has gone on to become the head of ISIS, so the possibility that ISIS has reach here and is trouble for us is real and already manifest, on a population basis we have contributed more fighters to ISIS than the US has, our security forces are continually shutting down ISIS sympathisers

The Pentagon has a new name for ISIS - CNN.com

ISIS (ISIL) has a new name; daesh, which happens to mean exactly the same thing if you are an arab, it started as al qaeda in Iraq so why have we stopped calling them al qaeda anyway? Could it be that the US wants us to think they have beaten al qaeda?

Share some of that Aussie eggnog why don't you?

Don't have eggnog here, Tal, but I have been known to enjoy a scotch from time to time, try a Grant's cask edition. However today the sun isn't over the yardarm yet. You know Tal we have a different way of looking at things here, we are very skeptical of authority and the higher the authority the more skeptical we become so that those who operate at rariefied hights have no crediability at all. Now that piece I just posted illustrates the point, why confuse the issue by changing the name? Is this some sort of exercise in PC? or oneupmanship? or is it just B/S baffles brains?

In the interests of holiday humour and international understanding here's a quick lesson in Aussie for the northernly challenged

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...aign=lifestyle

Be so simple if their was one language, one culture for the whole world.

Nah Tal God didn't think that was a good idea and nor do I. Something's just don't translate, but we like the KISS principle which we think might have been forgotten in some circles or is it that some people just go in circles?

Can't imagine not using the Queen's english and how would you translate drongo? That's a bird by the way, or Yahoo? Which is a legendary beast and just think about the word Nullarbour and yet each of these words could be applied in their alternative meaning because we speak in a way where words have meaning that can change

Your lack of understanding doesn't stop you from drawing your own conclusions I see.

Understanding is in the eye of the beholder Tal, you don't get my sardonic sense of humour, and as to conclusions, we are each entitled to draw our own from the assembled facts and reading between the lines is permitted. Now you remember to drain the swamp over there

The French started using Daesh 1st .So of course Sec State Jean Francois Kerry adopted it . Besides ,the jihadists don't like the name so it is a poke in the eye in lieu of taking any real action against them .

Sticks and stones eh

Every little jihadist thinks that it is popular to have an ISIS connection here is the latest

Paris supermarket siege: Gunman Amedu Coulibaly appears in posthumous video declaring allegiance to Islamic State


They are among us

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sydne...11-12lyte.html

And by the way Boko Haram now fly the ISIS flag

Boko Horan also is responsible for the deaths of possibly 2000 this week .They cut a swath burning villages and massacring the inhabitants . That didn't make the major news .
Boko Haram burns 16 villages, leaving 2,000 feared dead | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

It made our major news in Canada. Why not yours ?

Paris was more compelling ; some of the news outlets were covering the Air Asia crash almost non-stop .... the lame stream is all atwitter over the possibility of Jeb Bush running in the GOP race for President ; and the emperor went on a campaign tour touting his plan for 'free' Junior college . Today the NY Slimes leads with a report that using a tanning machine is dangerous. Then there was Prince Andrew hanging out with a pedophile (with only a brief note that Bubba Clinton also took many trips down to the sex slave island with Jeffrey Epstein .Evita is livid because it hurts her chances in 2016. )

Karma you know there is no major news in the US unless it involves someone in the US, they were only interested in Ebola because a citizen cought it and brought it home. The whole world is up in solidarity against terrorism and the US just isn't interested but they will expect us to sympathise when it happens to them. If they could get their heads out of their constant electoral cycle they might discover democracy

so you agree with me that the US media is lame. I will note that no one else brought up the massacre . You Clete appeared to be more concerned about the color of the flag they fly .

I posted a piece on the massacre, Tom, in a separate thread but since it wasn't US news it was ignored, but it doesn't matter since I notice we weren't interested in Syria either until ISIS invaded Iraq and then we were only concerened about what name we called them by. I hate hyprocracy, Tom, and I observe that life has different values according to how far away people are dying and who they are. Kill a black in america and it is a national disgrace, kill a black in africa and who cares

The Kurds have made progress in Korbane, this is surely cause for a small celebration

yes a very small one until we think of the task still at hand

ISIS execute 13 football fans for watching Iraq play Jordan on TV | Daily Mail Online

until the free world understands that we need a WWII type effort against these scum then our celebrations will be very small .

Really Tom a WWII effort against a few thousand militants scattered over Syria and Iraq. I do agree it needs a boots on the ground coordinated action using experienced troops and a take no prisoners attitude but we don't want to get back into the sort of thing that Iraq was. ISIS must have supply lines, we need to ensure they cannot be used. Perhaps we should concentrate on a major victory to demoralise them such as retaking Mosul.

where do you think their supply lines flow from. President Bush was right that there are state enablers . (hint : it leads from NATO territory )

Well Tom I have little doubt they flow through Turkey and Lebanon and I wouldn't have doubted they flowed through Iraq until recently, fact is I wouldn't be surprised if many NATO members enabled them in the past as part of their proxy war and certainly Saudi and the Gulf would have. I expect those old desert caravan routes got a work out as well as more sophisticated methods. Surely if every nation stopped supplying ammunition into Syria the war would grind to a hault.

thus a WWII type effort . for the Islamic State or against it .

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President Bush was right

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The one that allowed over 3,000 of your fellow americans to be killed on your soil from the terrorists in your largest city and your capital? Sorry if I don't follow your blind devotion to him. Best to stick with the decisions from President Obama who has protected you from this for the past 7 years.

I'm not sure what you think Bush was right about, he was certainly right that AQ was a threat that needed to be neutralised, but his methods meant he succeeded to lessen one threat and gain more enemies. AQ and islamic militants are like the mythical hydra, cut off one head and two more grow. He cut off a head in Afghanistan and got others in Iraq, Syria and Yemen, with affiliates in Somalia and the Megreb, and he never successfully dealt with the Taliban. On balance I would say he was right about it being a long war.

Its like multiple fires with one fire engine. Now Bonehead and Neti want to start another fire with Iran so Neti can be re elected in Israel. Of course Neti want no kind of deal with the US and Iran, he wants the US to nuke the Iranians, and Bonehead just wants to poke Obama in the eye.

read it slowly : " President Bush was right that there are state enablers "

It no secret that the sheiks (or PM's, or whatever state leaders call themselves) have their own agendas, and profit by funding their own mercenaries to keep things in chaos.

Well it seems we are all agreed that this is a proxy war like so many before it and maybe with a reverse twist of Israel trying to get the US to fight its war for them.

According to John Kerry the Coalition has killed thousands of ISIS fighters. Whilst such a statistic is cause for celebration, any gains against ISIS have been hard won and the question is, is this fact? Has ISIS capability been significantly degraded? If so the coalition should move swiftly to destroy them