Let me try this again. You equate the decorations on a cake to what's on a Muslims menu?
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Let me try this again. You equate the decorations on a cake to what's on a Muslims menu?
I don't normally offer a cake topper with 2 grooms, so what's the difference? Nothing. The only difference is when the tables are turned your tone changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Then that's a valid answer to the customer. You make the cake but they have to source the topper elsewhere.Quote:
I don't normally offer a cake topper with 2 grooms
Uh, yes. Haram is sinful to Muslims, gay marriage is sinful to some Christians and that "decoration" is forcing them to represent something they consider against their beliefs. Which by the way, in Islam marriage is between men and women, and Muslim women are generally forbidden from marrying a non-Muslim. What if the baker is a Muslim, does he get a pass for refusing to participate in a forbidden marriage?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Boy that was easy.
It should be that easy - but you never answered the question. What if the baker is a Muslim, does he get a pass for refusing to participate in a forbidden marriage?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
SOME Christians? Why not all of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If you can force a devout Christian to cater a GAY wedding against their religious beliefs... then Atheists and Muslims can be told to go pound sand when they get their panties in a knot about Christmas decorations and anything Christmas in schools and anywhere else.
And a Muslim catering business can be legally FORCED to cater CHristmas and Easter parties.
Why would a Christian go to a Muslim catering business? Of course, the Muslim IS in business to make money, and maybe I want an authentic Holy Land cuisine for my Christmas and Easter celebrations. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Some are more reasonable than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Big difference between baking a cake for a customer, and participating in a wedding. But of course you get the two mixed up. I give him a pass on participation, but not refusing to bake a cake. Pick up or delivery?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What ones does with his product is none of his business.
Good luck finding one open.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You certainly don't believe as I do, now do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's irrelevant and insulting as I'm guessing you mean it. You want your beliefs respected, so do we, it is not a one-way street.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Now you're making my argument, during which I don't recall you giving me a pass for declining to "participate" in something I don't believe in. Make it something else, the wedding photographer for instance. Should a Muslim get a pass for declining to shoot a gay or other forbidden wedding, or would you be sympathetic to the Muslim?Quote:
Big difference between baking a cake for a customer, and participating in a wedding. But of course you get the two mixed up. I give him a pass on participation, but not refusing to bake a cake. Pick up or delivery?
Somehow I think you have exceptions to that rule.Quote:
What ones does with his product is none of his business.
But we're both Christians? Or me, not so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Should be easily surmised that the implication in my question was as Christians, you and I don't believe exactly alike. Nothing more implied, that's just how it is and that's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me! I feel like baking you a cake (or caramel brownies)!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I myself like Persian Style kabobs, Second only to Afghan style kabobs (hate Lebonese style) But if the owner decided he would not cater to Jewish customers or Christian ones (you know the Infidels)... why do I believe the current administration would be defending their right to do so?
Giving gay people a federal tax return doesn't mean he is going to screw with their menus. That's the nog head state legislatures screwing with the rights.
Still wondering if you think the Muslim photographer should have to shoot the gay wedding. With his camera, not an assault rifle.
Contrary to popular belief, there are gay Muslims. What you didn't know?
The insult to my intelligence was uncalled for, and you're still dodging the question. Lots of Muslims believe homosexuality is not only a sin but a punishable offense, are you going to make that guy shoot the gay wedding?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
I was wondering what your plan was when other religions start discriminating against Christians... Then I read that the Tea Party believes the 1st Amendment only applies CHRISTIANS...
That takes care of that, don't it?
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
PS> (edited) They took it down... They took it down... I don't blame 'em..
The insult is thinking I should make anyone do anything. If one guy can't fill my needs I find one who can. I pity the fool who gives me crap about I ain't worthy of his business though. BBB, or Greg Abbott... or both.
Hell I didn't get mad when a specialist didn't want to take my health insurance either. Found one that did. I did get a bit upset when they bulldozed the woods I grew up in and built houses and street. I adapted. More people should learn too.
And what does that have to do with me? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
P.S. Here you go, you're welcome. Whoever those morons are are just morons.
But it's discrimination if he refuses. That was your argument this whole time was it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm looking forward to the Atheists being forced to cater to Reglious events of all types... they didn't want the right to refuse service... whats the old saying... be careful what you wish for... you might get it?
Sure, why not? I'd do it. If you are buying product or services that I offer I'll fulfill my obligations.Quote:
m looking forward to the Atheists being forced to cater to Reglious events of all types
Even the ones you personally seriously object to...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You would cater a NAMBLA convention if asked?
I see no reason to go through every single objectionable situation. I'll leave that pointless exercise to you. I'd rather live in the real world. :-)
Yet we have seen you get indignant about seeing a decorated Christmas tree in public...
No my argument is that states should make no laws that gives excuse or sanction to discrimination of one group of people by another. There are more thoughtful ways one can deal with their circumstance and situation without a law that favors one over another.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You agreed with me we didn't need such a law in the first place. And yes refusing people goods and services for religious beliefs is discrimination, be it Christian, or Muslim, Jew, or Gay. There is NO difference.
That's my point, that's my argument. I handle day to day bad behavior with my own device.
Never.Quote:
Yet we have seen you get indignant about seeing a decorated Christmas tree in public...
When you feel the need to make stuff up it's obvious the discussion on this particular subject is over.
There are numerous examples in your posts over the years in this forum... because I've participated in some of them so I know they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Just admit to it... you've claimed to be proud to be an atheist... I'm proud to claim I'm not... whats the big deal?
Or do what all liberals do when cornered...throw up that same tired argument.
What tired argument?
The one you just made...
I'll just let you talk to yourself. I assume you do that a lot.
Look it's getting boring, let's make stuff up
I think that was the problem with the outrage anyway, instead of looking at the bill rationally they just made bad stuff up about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Maybe this was the one smoothy was remembering.: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...154276-10.html
And I make no judgment here about who is right or wrong or who remembers what? I didn't read the very long thread.
Signed: The Gutless Googler
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