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  • May 10, 2014, 07:02 AM
    talaniman
    Well Tom, until more comes to light, there is not as much to flog NY with as it is in NJ.
  • May 10, 2014, 07:26 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Well Tom, until more comes to light, there is not as much to flog NY with as it is in NJ.

    These are politicians. By definition there will ALWAYS be more corruption.
  • May 10, 2014, 08:07 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by catsmine View Post
    these are politicians. By definition there will always be more corruption.

    And politicking.
  • May 10, 2014, 12:32 PM
    tomder55
    I'd say there is as much or more on Cuomo than Christie. Cuomo admits to interfering in the work of the commission that Cuomo said would be completely independent . Christie has been accused of having traffic cones set up to get back at political opponents . Cuomo used the power of his office to attempt to go after his political opponents ,and when they came too close to a Cuomo patron ,he canned the commission.

    He even was using the fact that he appointed an anti-corruption commission as a campaign talking point .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/ny...orruption.html

    Why would he suddenly and abruptly disband the commission ? That is what the Federal prosecutor has to find out .
  • May 11, 2014, 06:11 AM
    tomder55
    so the emperor will be in town this week, tying up traffic on the NY Thruway, so he can use the construction project at the Tappan Zee Bridge to tout his plans for more infrastructure spending . But the real reason he will be there is to throw Cuomo a bone, who appears to be a bit nervous about his upcoming reelection campaign against Rep Westchester County Exec Rob Astorino. (Westchester is on the east side of the Tappan Zee Bridge) .

    Christie has been taking heat for months about a couple of traffic cones slowing down traffic over the Hudson River . But the emperor will not take any heat about traffic delays over the Hudson that he will cause.

    The emperor will start the ball rolling tomorrow with the release of an analysis on the need to pay for these types of repairs and upgrades. Then Wednesday it's off the NY and Cleveland .Friday he will speak in Washington. The emperor knows that this type of funding must originate in the House of Reps. It's not one of those issues he can accomplish by pulling executive fiat out of his bag of tricks.

    The Federal Highway Trust Fund collects more than $30 Billion per year in gas taxes. And there are 47,714 miles of interstate highways that the Trust Fund is responsible for maintaining.
    That's $628,746 dollars PER MILE for repairs.
  • May 11, 2014, 07:15 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That's $628,746 dollars PER MILE for repairs.

    And Union kickbacks. And Family obligations. And donor paybacks. And the slush fund.
  • May 12, 2014, 08:45 AM
    talaniman
    Wonder why the house of reps hasn't taken this up? They must be busy with more important stuff. Very little has originated in the house of reps lately, that helps this nation economically. In light of this vacuum somebody has to actually be doing stuff to build/repair roads and bridges.
  • May 12, 2014, 09:47 AM
    smoothy
    THey are working on important things... like getting to the bottom of who is responsible and throwing them in jail.

    After all we had to hear about Watergate for 40 years... at least nobody got a paper cut much less died... not to meantion 4 americans dying like Benghazigate.

    THe Democrats have been doing EVERYTHING possible to cover it up the last two years....making Nixon a verified SAINT compaired to this administration.
  • May 12, 2014, 12:02 PM
    tomder55
    The emperor should approve the Keystone pipeline as good faith measure. The fact is that Speaker Bonehead does have an unacceptable bill that cannot pass the House. He ties funding to all types of imaginary sources(ie tying road projects to tax revenue from oil drilling).
    Here is a couple of things to consider . 1. The Federal Government funds entirely too much of the nations highway funding already. 2. The gas tax is a good way to fund it because it puts the burden on the users of the highways. 3. Bills in both the House and the Senate are chock full of pork that needs to be trimmed before any highway bill is acceptable. 4. We spend $billions in the porkulus bill(aka American Recovery and Reinvestment Act )that was supposed to go to "shovel ready " jobs like infrastructure repair . Where did that money go ?
  • May 12, 2014, 12:22 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We spend $billions in the porkulus bill(aka American Recovery and Reinvestment Act )that was supposed to go to "shovel ready " jobs like infrastructure repair . Where did that money go ?

    I answered that already.

    Quote:

    Union kickbacks. And Family obligations. And donor paybacks. And the slush fund.
  • May 12, 2014, 12:34 PM
    talaniman
    Some states have actually leveraged the stimulus money into some useful ongoing road/highway projects. Texas is one.

    American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: Texas Stimulus Impact

    Texas Recovery: Stimulus Tracking

    You could research other states including yours.

    http://www.recovery.gov/
  • May 12, 2014, 03:34 PM
    tomder55
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    yeah I saw many of these signs when road crews filled in pot holes .....
    Attachment 46036
  • May 12, 2014, 05:51 PM
    paraclete
    they fill in pot holes, that's equivalent to painting rocks white,

    Now that's a pot hole
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/fire-engine-stuck-in-sink-hole/5448560

    have
    you seen the new plan for roads, made of glass and solar cells? guess what no pot holes?
  • May 13, 2014, 01:29 PM
    talaniman
    You would feel differently if you hit a pothole at 50 miles an hour and tore up your vehicle and killed yourself. Painting rocks it's NOT.

    Road repair | Smart Growth America

    2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure | Roads
  • May 13, 2014, 03:19 PM
    smoothy
    If a single dollar of that was actually spent on that... it would have been worthwile... but 99.9% of it just vanished into thin air... without any projects being funded that can be accounted for.
  • May 13, 2014, 03:40 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You would feel differently if you hit a pothole at 50 miles an hour and tore up your vehicle and killed yourself. Painting rocks it's NOT.

    Road repair | Smart Growth America

    2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure | Roads

    You don't get what I mean. Pot holes mean the underlying structure has given way so filling them is a temporary measure that doesn't attend to the real problem and may mask a greater problem
  • May 14, 2014, 01:59 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Pot holes mean the underlying structure has given way
    Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.
  • May 14, 2014, 02:07 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.

    Whereas down South they're often the site of an abandoned ant nest, and Clete's scenario.
  • May 14, 2014, 02:32 AM
    tomder55
    What is a pot hole is the highway funding system. 25% of Federal funding is thrown at mass transit projects ,and other diversions such as bike paths, national park visitor centers, museums,creating scenic trails,and other local pork barrel projects.
  • May 14, 2014, 04:12 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Whereas down South they're often the site of an abandoned ant nest
    Hah! I never knew that. We are products of our environment indeed. Cheers.
  • May 14, 2014, 06:05 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.

    obviously a failure to understand the mechanism, yes water is the problem but when it freezees it not only damages the asphault surface, ice expands and when it does it forces a hole in the foundation, if that is not fixed the hole will just reappear because the foundation in the spot is no longer solid
  • May 14, 2014, 06:42 AM
    talaniman
    It's the unwillingness to fund the maintenance of road bridges and infrastructure that's the problem, not the science. We see this all over the place as states have decreased revenue. Nobody has been watching as localities have been downgraded on their bond ratings and are facing budgetary shortfalls. 6 times in NJ for example, in the last 6 years.
  • May 14, 2014, 08:27 AM
    paraclete
    well the solution is more local taxes or accept the lower service level
  • May 14, 2014, 10:16 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    well the solution is more local taxes or accept the lower service level

    The problem is the Liberals will want to exempt half the population for paying their fair share of this tax, like they have been exempted from paying their fair share of most of the other taxes already. And they will want to appropriate the taxes of the more wealthy areas to subsidize the less wealthy areas...

    A problem that already exists with state and local taxes already.

    THen we are back to the TRILLION DOLLAR "ObamaStimulous" package... exactly what was it spent on anyway? That would have replaced a LOT of bridges and fixed a LOT of other things... yet nobody can say what exactly all that money actually bought.
  • May 14, 2014, 05:12 PM
    paraclete
    Ok so you are saying you can't see any bang for your buck but these things are a matter of public record so you should be able to find it
  • May 14, 2014, 05:16 PM
    smoothy
    When the current administration is as transparent as the average Planet.. Surely you jest.
  • May 14, 2014, 05:59 PM
    talaniman
    The links were posted and how hard is it to click on a link and actually read what the states have posted? Building projects were a third of the recovery act. Tax cuts were another, as well as social programs.

    Breakdown of Funding
  • May 14, 2014, 06:09 PM
    smoothy
    Social Programs = Welfare and handouts to people who didn't earn or pay for them.

    I'm middle class, I didn't get a dime of a tax break, yet I am not exempt from any of the taxes the 49% are either.


    The Unemployment funding? 99 weeks of welfare (unemployment benifits) so nobody has to try to get a job very hard for a few years?
  • May 14, 2014, 06:13 PM
    talaniman
    You mean McDonald's and Walmart workers who pay payroll taxes?
  • May 14, 2014, 06:16 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You mean McDonald's and Walmart workers who pay payroll taxes?

    None of them effectively actually pay any FEDERAL income taxes.. yet they get free stuff from the Federal Government the rest of us who actually pay higher Federal taxes than we should to pay otherwise.
  • May 14, 2014, 06:18 PM
    paraclete
    he means he wants to gripe because he didn't get any, but the day will come when he will wring his hands with glee at the thought of the other 49% who will be done down, such a shame he has to wait a long time
  • May 14, 2014, 06:30 PM
    talaniman
    They file a tax return and get a refund just like the rich guys who pay no taxes. Look at all the tax breaks Walmart gets and we are talking billions, yet the workers need food stamps. I mean give me a 10 year deal of no taxes. And the stuff they sell comes from even cheaper labor in third world countries under terrible conditions.

    We have had this debate and its pointless.
  • May 14, 2014, 07:10 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    he means he wants to gripe because he didn't get any, but the day will come when he will wring his hands with glee at the thought of the other 49% who will be done down, such a shame he has to wait a long time

    It means like everything else that eminates from this administration... its all, smoke, mirrors and false and misleading information.

    I don't know anyone who got anything... I don't know anyone who did get anything... and I don't know anyone who's seen any of these so-called projects actually result in something tangible.
  • May 14, 2014, 07:15 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They file a tax return and get a refund just like the rich guys who pay no taxes. Look at all the tax breaks Walmart gets and we are talking billions, yet the workers need food stamps. I mean give me a 10 year deal of no taxes. And the stuff they sell comes from even cheaper labor in third world countries under terrible conditions.

    We have had this debate and its pointless.

    They get more back than they pay in at the end of the year... result is not taxes paid. In fact they get MORE money back than they actually paid in... they are getting paid to not pay any taxes.

    Its simple basic math. Johnny gives Uncle Sam 5 dollars, Uncle Sam gives Johnny back 7 dollars... in the end Uncle Sam has NONE of Johnny's money... and Johnny walks away with more than he started with, from people who didn't get their money back from Uncle Sam.

    Its not hard to understand... some people just believe Johnny is owed something he never earned because he decided to hang out with delinquents, not study, eventually drop out of school... and play the victim card because nobody wants to hire a poorly educated drop out for a high paying job.
  • May 14, 2014, 08:13 PM
    paraclete
    Look you arn't the only ones with a zero sum gain but that's what taxation is about, you give now and maybe in the future you will get some, some just get it earlier than others. You are against a higher minimum wage but reality says all employers should be responsible and give their workers a fare share of the results. I hate this cannon fodder approach where half the population are ignored
  • May 14, 2014, 08:37 PM
    talaniman
    Mitt pays no taxes. He get an accountant to write stuff off, and he send the government a check for 13% of his income depending on how sharp his guy is and then goes to a island with a bank and visits his hidden money he pays no taxes on. Then he hops on a plane to some European country and visits that money, and he stops in Switzerland so his wife can visit her money, then he goes home to raid the pension fund of some small midwestern company that the whole town works at, gives the contracts to some overseas company and takes more loot to the island and pays no taxes.

    The guys who worked at the company lose everything because the Burger King goes out of business because nobody's working and can't afford a burger because they got no money to support their lazy a$$es so the whole town collapses.

    And then a character like you comes along and tells the lazy a$$es they should have worked harder, and it's their fault Mitt came and stole everything because HE earned it.
  • May 14, 2014, 11:21 PM
    paraclete
    well of course when did a right wing take responsibility for the failures of their leadershipno, rip off is the way to go, all the way to the bank
  • May 15, 2014, 04:23 AM
    tomder55
    The lefties here praise countries like Australia with high minimum wages while ignoring the obvious fact that these higher minimum wages promotes job loss when companies find it more economical to automate.
    McDonald's orders 7,000 touchscreen kiosks to replace cashiers - Neowin
    McDonalds Touch Interface Ordering System - YouTube
    Will Robots Steal Your Job? - YouTube
    Momentum Machines | The Next Industrial Revolution
  • May 15, 2014, 04:38 AM
    NeedKarma
    "Electronic menus that replace physical beings is nothing new. Microsoft has been pushing its touchscreen computer, the Surface, which has mostly been a big hit at Vegas casinos, hotels, and clubs"
  • May 15, 2014, 05:01 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Look you arn't the only ones with a zero sum gain but that's what taxation is about, you give now and maybe in the future you will get some, some just get it earlier than others. You are against a higher minimum wage but reality says all employers should be responsible and give their workers a fare share of the results. I hate this cannon fodder approach where half the population are ignored

    The point is 49% of the population not contributing a dime effectively right NOW in any Federal income taxes... yet they are still going to be sucking the system dry in the future too. That's why there are the deficits there are now... everyone doesn't pay their fair share.

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