"The CBO is nonpartisan"
I suspected they were. I also suspect leading economists are as well.
This doesn't make any of them correct.
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"The CBO is nonpartisan"
I suspected they were. I also suspect leading economists are as well.
This doesn't make any of them correct.
In Australia a 17 to 18 year old at McD for example, would get about $10 to $ 11 per hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I was told by a local once that McD pays adults over $20 per hour. I don't know about the teens where you are.
for clarity the minumum adult wage in Australia is $16.37 an hour, it applies to everyone where a specific industry award doesn't apply, casual rates are higher as in the case of McD cited above, wages for juniors would be less according to age, children below 14 years cannot be hired. The unions apply to industrial courts for variation of the awards and negotiate independently with employers.
It has to be noted that we don't supplement the wages of low paid workers by tipping so comparison between the two countries is difficult but the point is a minimum wage exists to stop exploitation. This becomes more and more necessary when full time work gives way to part time and casual work, particularly in seasonal and agricultural industries or industries employing migrants
You have a lower minimum wage for kids?
this is the difference, junior wages are a percentage of the adult wage, when we talk about minimum wages we are talking about different concepts. When we talk about the minimum wage we are talking about adults
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Originally Posted by paraclete
They might have been quoting me casual rates.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes.
They did when my kids worked at Big W. Going back a while now.
P.S.
I just read Clete's comment. I also looked it up. Yes, teens get a percentage of the adult wage.
Yes Tutt difficult to make comparison between the two countries excepting that the americans have this idea we are paid too much
I wasn't going there at all. It's that Democrats seem to refuse to admit there are tradeoffs to policy, they can't acknowledge the tradeoffs and negative consequences of their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Raise the minimum wage by around 40% as they want there will be winners and losers, as the CBO report acknowledged. One of those losers will likely be teens trying to get a foot in the door and get some experience. Ask the state of Washington.
So, the question is will Dems acknowledge this tradeoff and do something about it or will they demand everyone get paid the same?Quote:
Teenagers hoping to cash in on Washington’s highest-in-the-nation minimum wage may soon be out of luck.
For most teens, a first job is an integral step in entering the workforce—honing skills like professionalism and timeliness can help teens better prepare for the future. But landing that first job is becoming more of a problem for some teenagers.
“A whole generation of teens are not being able to develop a work ethic,” said Republican Sen. Michael Baumgartner of Spokane.
More middle-aged workers are filling jobs traditionally given to teenagers, and as such, preventing teens from getting that important first job. Two proposals in the Senate hope to allow more teens to enter the workforce.
Senate Bill 6471, introduced by Baumgartner, would create a summer training wage for teens. The bill would allow employers to pay 14- to 19-year-olds hired on a seasonal basis from June 31 through August 31 the federal wage of $7.25. Minimum wage in Washington is currently $9.32.
“It’s a limited bill…[that] gets at an issue that we all need to be concerned about: getting our teens in the workforce,” Baumgartner said.
Senate Bill 6495 would establish a training wage for 14- to 19-year-olds. Sponsored by Moses Lake Republican Sen. Janea Holmquist Newbry, the legislation would allow employers to pay new teenage employees 85 percent of the minimum wage ($7.92) or the federal minimum wage ($7.25), whichever is greater.
“We need to make sure 16- to 19-year-olds have an opportunity,” Holmquist Newbry said.
seems logical to me, surprised the issue hasn't come up previously
Saying everyone should be paid the same would be another exaggeration and a distraction of the main point. Establishing a MINIMUM wage. Its not the peoples fault the factories were closed and moved over seas, gutting the middle class, which was the backbone of America.
Yeah do something for teens, but do something for their parents first.
Let me clarify since you didn't take the hint on a post entirely about "minimum wage." "Paid the same" as in the same minimum wage for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The question is will you guys ever acknowledge the tradeoffs and consequences of your policies? What are those teens who can't get a job at $10.10 an hour going to do with their time? Where are they going to get experience if older people are taking the jobs that used to go to them? Australia pays teens less, is that something you'd go for or not?
thing is there are industries that employ teens and there are industries that want adults, wage structures we have here are based on a Productivity Commission examination of the value of work
"Productivity Commission examination of the value of work" ugggghh do you need a gvt agency to decide when the wipe your arse ?
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Everything is bottoms with you Americans.
demonstrating your vast knowledge of shlt again Tom? For the uninformed on the other side of the puddle, our industrial courts and governments long ago decided to take the heat out of these things by having an independent arbriteur advise on the true value of the contribution of various occupations and they help government to determine the value of various subsidies such as child care and they look into whether an industry should be supported or given the flic. You see, when the negotiations break down as inevietably they do, considering the rabid attitude of the unions and the recalcicrant attitudes of the employers, we have a court whose jurisdiction it is to decide these matters and avoid strikes, lockouts, etc. We find it more civilised, but then we have been at it longer than you.Quote:
"Productivity Commission examination of the value of work" ugggghh do you need a gvt agency to decide when the wipe your arse ?
We had binding arbitration at one time Clete, worked rather well until the union shops left the shores with the factories, and unions and the middle class disappeared. So did the wages. There is only the court system left and poor people can't afford lawyers, nor keep up with rising prices.
This country was built on a solid middle class made poor by the business pursuit of profits for the few.
Unions also destroyed one of the finest cities in the country and left us holding the bag.
Hello again,
Most minimum wage workers ALSO receive handouts from the government like food stamps and welfare. Why should we subsidize WalMart?
excon
Show me the stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Those aren't stats, that's a hit piece. How do you take seriously a guy that begins talking about dog whistles and quotes Alan Grayson as a source? And this little misleading statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I didn't realize Walmart received food stamps.Quote:
Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private sector employer, is also the biggest consumer of taxpayer supported aid. According to Florida Congressman Alan Grayson, in many states, Wal-Mart employees are the largest group of Medicaid recipients. They are also the single biggest group of food stamp recipients. Wal-mart’s "associates" are paid so little, according to Grayson, that they receive $1,000 on average in public assistance. These amount to massive taxpayer subsidies for private companies.
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In Connecticut, a mother with two children participating in seven major welfare programs (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, housing assistance, utility assistance and free commodities) could receive a package of benefits worth $38,761 .In Hawaii ;$49,175 . Is it your position that companies should pay low skilled workers comparable compensation ? Seems like you got it backward . You expect companies to subsidize a safety net that has grown out of control.
One would expect employees to be paid a decent wage so as they don't have to work two jobs or need extra assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why not make low skilled min wage $20 hr ? Then even in Hawaii they would get no public assistance. My advice to someone making min wage is to go find another job, or learn a skill that will pay more.
Raising the minimum wage will just give more workers an opportunity to escape "job lock."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
or they can go on unemployment and other gvt doles and persue their hobbies.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Exactly.
Rich guys pursue their hobbies while on the dole of corporate welfare too! That's no good for the social safety net either. Creating jobs is but a byproduct SOMETIMES of the main goal of creating wealth for themselves. You have already acknowledged that that's what they do.
Yes, why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
My advice would be to get a co-ordinated wages system.
One could just as easily exact an argument for the opposite. There would be a myriad of factors relevant to issue of increasing the min wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We had a coordinated wage system and worked until they cut the middle out of it and then collapsed the economy. But as more states and localities are raising their minimums even businesses are exploring the possibility of raising wages, for the same reasons as always, the need to attract and keep better help.
Raise the minimum wage? An alternative approach. - CSMonitor.com
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Gap's reasons for its voluntary action came out of its founding purpose of operating from a strong set of values that “do more than sell clothes.” But it also now embraces a strategy that has become more popular with businesses. Gap hopes to enjoy growth by retaining more employees, better motivating them to improve customer service, and avoiding costly staff turnover and training costs.
“To us, this is not a political issue,” said Gap chief executive Glenn Murphy. “Our decision to invest in frontline employees will directly support our business, and is one that we expect to deliver a return many times over.”
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We had a coordinated wage system and worked until they cut the middle out of it and then collapsed the economy. But as more states and localities are raising their minimums even businesses are exploring the possibility of raising wages, for the same reasons as always, the need to attract and keep better help.
business always had the option of paying more than the minimum, they don't need government help to pay fair wages and unions exist to promote that goal
Now if McDonalds and Walmart can follow the same example, we can rebuild a middle class. But we still need legislation on the federal level just in case they don't get it.
surely minimum wages have nothing to do with a middle class, and walmart is surely not an option of middle class employment. I think the term middle class must have a different connotation over there
Turns out Dems aren't too keen on Obama's distraction from Obamacare. For some reason they may not be too keen on facing their constituents with the prospect of half a million jobs lost and businesses just being told to suck it up and reduce your profits. Reid could only get just over half of his caucus on board.
Reid stalling action on minimum wage | TheHill
Every day it's becoming more and more clear that morons are running the show.
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