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  • Dec 21, 2013, 07:29 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    It's the right wing who made this molehill into a mountain
    Nope A&E did. What the hell did they do to this site ? Ever hear the phrase 'leave well enough alone ' ?
  • Dec 21, 2013, 07:35 AM
    talaniman
    Obviously A&E didn't think his comments were good for business. As Steven Colbert said, it would hurt the vast gay and black audience of Duck Dynasty. >chortle, chortle<
  • Dec 21, 2013, 07:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    Lol, pi$$ing off 14 million fans is not good for business.
  • Dec 21, 2013, 01:44 PM
    paraclete
    does the idea that there are people who disagree with the B/S put forward by gays and are prepared to say so offend someone. Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't offend anyone. I would like to know; are real Christians becoming the minority over there
  • Dec 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
    talaniman
    Hardly Clete, but some Christians don't agree with other Christians, about being Christians. Some gays are Christians too. Some Christians are not Christian enough for other Christians but they are all sinners.
  • Dec 21, 2013, 05:14 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Hardly Clete, but some Christians don't agree with other Christians, about being Christians. Some gays are Christians too. Some Christians are not Christian enough for other Christians but they are all sinners.
    hey Tal the message is we are all sinners but we don't have to wallow in it, nor do we have to wallow in someoneelse's sin. This is a season of goodwill for one reason and one reason only, yet there are those who don't want to recognise this and tear down the message whenever they hear it. Sexual orientation isn't a sin it is what you do with it, either way I am sick of pandering to a minority, any minority, because if they ever become a majority the human race is doomed
  • Dec 21, 2013, 06:12 PM
    talaniman
    Yeah this paradise is so perfect as is. Who would want to change it!
  • Dec 21, 2013, 08:26 PM
    paraclete
    cant respond Tal this stupid editor thinks my message is too short
  • Dec 22, 2013, 03:41 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Yeah this paradise is so perfect as is. Who would want to change it!
    That's one of the big differences ,the humanists think this is all there is and want to changed this world into 'paradise'. Humans can't do that .

    During the Paula Dean controversy ,Ball Maher said “Do we always have to make people go away?” Phil Robertson is not a philosopher .He just expressed his opinion .I did not see a similar outrage from the left here ,or from the gay community when Alec Baldwin verbally assaulted someone using vile homophobic comments. So my only conclusion is that the big difference is that Robertson is a devout Christian ;while Baldwin is a creature of the left.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 05:04 AM
    NeedKarma
    Attachment 45364
  • Dec 22, 2013, 06:37 AM
    talaniman
    Oh get over it. Everybody has a right to disagree with what Phil say. And what the pope says. And what the Bible says.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 06:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    No, I'm not getting over it and enough of this straw man you keep tossing out about our side suppressing your right to disagree. Unlike the gay enforcement brigade at GLAAD I DEFEND their right to their opinion. If they want to be intolerant idiots they have that right, don't deny it to others.

    If anyone should get over it is GLAAD and other purveyors of compulsory approval. You don't get to b*tch about intolerance and hate - especially when there was none - while being intolersnt and hateful without being called out for your hypocrisy.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 07:03 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ;
    [/QUOTE.]I would like to know; are real Christians becoming the minority over there[

    That's exactly why the Robertsons must be stopped, they threaten the left's grip on pop culture and beyond.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 07:09 AM
    talaniman
    Nobody has denied Phil anything Speech, criticism of his comments that he made is free speech too. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. What we shouldn't say anything?

    Speaking out against what he said doesn't stop him from saying it does it?
  • Dec 22, 2013, 07:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Again, the point is to silence him. No one is trying to silence GLAAD. What part of I defend both side's right do you not get? Just don't pretend you're the gatekeeper of tolerance while being intolerant. I don't think you guys even know what that word means.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 07:59 AM
    talaniman
    So anyone who disagrees with Phil's opinion of God, gays, and blacks is intolerant?
  • Dec 22, 2013, 08:15 AM
    speechlesstx
    First of all his opinion was also to love everyone anyway, that's not intolerance. Second of all...


    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showpo...&postcount=170
  • Dec 22, 2013, 08:21 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    Again, the point is to silence him.
    Who's trying to silence him? His EMPLOYER??? Why shouldn't his EMPLOYER have the right to fire bigoted employees? I thought the right wing HATED the government telling them WHO they had to employ.

    Certainly, no lefty is calling for him to be silenced... In fact, if people like him didn't exist, we'd INVENT them to show how WRONG you guy are... But, we don't HAVE to invent them. They're EVERYWHERE.

    excon
  • Dec 22, 2013, 08:38 AM
    speechlesstx
    Still with the straw men. I've already defended the Artificial and Elitist network's right to can him so stop trying to play the hypocrite card on me.

    As for no one trying to silence him, from GLAAD:


    Quote:

    “Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe. He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples. Phil’s decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to re-examine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families.”
    Sever the ties you limit his platform to speak. They want him shut up, stop pretending they don't. In response to his call to love everyone anyway, NK called him an a$$hole and others calling him a hater, the hypocrisy should be evident but you guys only see what you want to see.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:03 AM
    talaniman
    You have every right to blast A&E for their business decisions. As selectively as you want. So do I. And I do. I admit I am selective when I blast you guys. That's MY right, and I exercise it FREELY. We all freely exercise our rights.

    Phil can say whatever he wants and take his show somewhere else if he wants. And get paid.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:27 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    NK called him an a$$hole
    Yep and a unrepentant hypocrite like many christians.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:35 AM
    talaniman
    NK has a right to his opinion too. So does the Goracle, and the Emperor, mama grizzly and the Bonehead.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:50 AM
    speechlesstx
    Still with the straw men. How do many times do I have to say both sides have a right to their opinions before you stop? But thanks for demonstrating my point perfectly.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Yep and a unrepentant hypocrite like many christians
    And you have a right to your ignorant opinion with no basis in fact as well, but thanks again for demonstrating my point.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 09:53 AM
    talaniman
    If we agree on that what's the problem?
  • Dec 22, 2013, 10:31 AM
    speechlesstx
    Speech codes and the hypocrites that enforce them are the problem.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 11:11 AM
    talaniman
    Yeah I hate it when you guys do it, and imagine you hate it when we do it. It is what it is.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 01:24 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    with no basis in fact as well,
    The facts are my observations. The same as it is for you.
  • Dec 22, 2013, 04:53 PM
    tomder55
    news flash.......A&E won't hire Muslims because some interpret their religion to mean Islam is "anti-gay".
  • Dec 22, 2013, 05:16 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    The facts are my observations. The same as it is for you
    I'm not so presumptuous as to believe I can determine if someone is an unrepentant sinner or not without them confessing it to me. Has he told you?
  • Dec 23, 2013, 03:59 AM
    tomder55
    Cracker Barrel decided to drop Duck Dynasty Merchandise ... bad move. This is what they posted on Facebook ...


    Quote:

    Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:

    When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that's just what we've done.

    You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren't shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.

    We listened.

    Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.

    And, we apologize for offending you.

    We respect all individuals [sic] right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different [sic].

    We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family
    They also posted on their Twitter acct .
    https://twitter.com/CrackerBarrel/st...92199142772736

    I can hear it now ....." what do you expect from a bunch of crackers. "
  • Dec 23, 2013, 04:12 AM
    NeedKarma
    Why are you putting so much time into another reality TV show "personality"? Are you the lowest common denominator that they aim for?
  • Dec 23, 2013, 05:15 AM
    tomder55
    nice irrelevent deflection from the issue .
  • Dec 23, 2013, 06:04 AM
    speechlesstx
    The Douglas County Sheriff also announced they won't be cooperating with A&E going forward. Guess they'll have to find some other rubes to try and mock.

    In wake of 'Duck Dynasty' star suspension, Sheriff Miller tells A&E they are not welcome - Douglas County Sentinel: Local News
  • Dec 23, 2013, 06:30 AM
    NeedKarma
    So?
  • Dec 23, 2013, 07:18 AM
    talaniman
    You act surprised that corporate sponsors would not want to be associated with the views and statements of this reality TV star.
  • Dec 23, 2013, 07:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    So?
    I guess you aren't familiar with how filming works. Law enforcement cooperation is kind of important, they can make life quite difficult for them otherwise.

    Quote:

    You act surprised that corporate sponsors would not want to be associated with the views and statements of this reality TV star.
    Um, they put Duck Dynasty merchandise BACK in their stores. Some businesses get that you don't pi$$ off your customers. Others not so much, like A&E.
  • Dec 23, 2013, 08:36 AM
    talaniman
    They will probably come to some accommodation between them. This may just be free publicity in the long run as the next season has already been filmed and scheduled. That gives everybody a about a year for the public emotional dust to settle and the two sides figure out what they do going forward.

    The rest is media hype, and the initial knee jerk reaction is irrelevant.
  • Dec 27, 2013, 05:05 PM
    speechlesstx
    As predicted, A&E caved - after trying to cash in on DD over Christmas.

    Quote:

    Phil Robertson Back at A&E - The Daily Beast

    Phil Robertson’s indefinite suspension is over before it started. A&E announced that the Duck Dynasty star, who was put on hiatus after he likened homosexuality to beastality and whitewashed Jim Crow, will not be taken off the show. The Robertson family, A&E noted in a statement about its decision, has denounced the “coarse language” used by its patriarch to explain his personal views in the now-infamous interview. “But Duck Dynasy is not a show about one man’s views. It resonates with a large audience because it is a show about family...a family that America has come to love,” said A&E. “As you might have seen in many episodes, they come together to reflect and pray for unity, tolerance, and forgiveness. These are three values that we at A&E Networks also feel strongly about.”
    Let the real wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.
  • Dec 27, 2013, 08:46 PM
    tomder55
    see where Jesse Jackson tried to make this a racial issue ? He says the comments reflect 'White Privilege'. He wants to 'keep the controversy alive ' and has given A&E and Cracker Barrel “72 hours” to appear before his shake-down organization Rainbow PUSH ,and GLAAD.

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