Hello again, Steve:
Having NO insurance may be dangerouser.Quote:
Obamacare May Be Dangerous to Your Health
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Hello again, Steve:
Having NO insurance may be dangerouser.Quote:
Obamacare May Be Dangerous to Your Health
excon
Then why force people off their plans? Don't tell me, I already know the well rehearsed, but oblivious to the realities, answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... You didn't know THIS answer.Quote:
Then why force people off their plans? Don't tell me, I already know the well rehearsed, but oblivious to the realities, answer.
Lemme ask you this... IF the government BANNED lead painted toys, would you be sniveling about what the government is FORCING you to do???
Proly, huh?
excon
So the insurance we could afford and has served our needs well is bad for your health, and horror stories from obamacare supporters, including those used in obamacare ads and via Obama friendly media outlets are fakes.
I call that not only aversion to reality but desperation.
Hello again, Steve:
If they can cancel you when you get sick, YES. If they have HIGH, almost unreachable co-pays, YES. If they have HIGH, almost unreachable deductibles, YES. If they have LIMITED coverage, YES. If they have death panels, YES.Quote:
So the insurance we could afford and has served our needs well is bad for your health,
The fact of the matter is, that crap insurance NEVER served YOUR needs well.. It served the needs of the insurance company.
Here's what I don't understand. Why you WANT your children to play with lead painted toys, I mean why you want to be insured with CRAP, when you can actually get a GOOD policy???
Hep me out here.
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You say that as if we haven't already shown higher copays, higher deductibles, higher premiums, more limited coverage, fewer choices of providers and a government death panel has been trying to convince my dad behind our backs all week to stop his medical care and sign hospice papers while my brother-in-law was being sent home because Medicare wouldn't pay for him to be treated in the hospital where he should be right now. Really, stop talking to me like I'm stupid.
wow even the compliant Obamamedia has been jumping ship and reporting these "fake " horror stories . But evidently there are some real believers here in the Church of the emperor.
Hello again, Steve:
In the main, if the tradeoff are policies that have NO caps, that can't refuse you because of a pre-existing condition, that won't bankrupt you if you get sick, that'll allow children to stay on their parents policy til they're 26, that pay for PRE-EMPTIVE care, and that'll cover 35 MILLION people that have NEVER been covered before, I'd say Obamacare is BETTER.Quote:
You say that as if we haven't already shown higher copays, higher deductibles, higher premiums, more limited coverage, fewer choices of providers
You, not so much.
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We are all shocked to see what the high cost of medical care is, healthy, or not. We all are looking closer at what we have been paying for, and what we will pay for in the future. Eventually you get over the sticker shock and realize you have been wasting your money, while you got nothing for it. And while the price seems higher now, it won't go up as fast. That's the goal.
Now you can trot out all the stories you want about those sticker shocked people, and moan about their inconvenience, but you cannot ignore the already sick people who were kicked off their insurance before, but can get insurance now and have been since the ACA took effect in 2010.
Keep thinking complaints and sob stories are a sign of people jumping ship to your side. Think mid terms elections before you panic.
The "better" healthcare you want to steer us to told my dad that hospice "was where they just keep giving you morphine until one day you don't wake up."
Hello again, Steve:
I dunno what "better" healthcare you're talking about, but the ACA ISN'T in force yet.Quote:
The "better" healthcare you want to steer us to told my dad
But, whatever he has, I'm absolutely POSITIVE he was REFUSED care, and told to go to a place where they'll keep him high until he dies...
Yes, I'm absolutely POSITIVE he was told that.
Look.. I WISH you'd keep your family OUT of these discussions. I'm SORRY about your dad, but I know NOTHING about who insures him or what his condition is. Consequently, whatever I say about him is GOING to sound callous. Same thing with your daughter.. You ALREADY don't like what I said about her.
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So you'd rather I stick to the fake stories and not real life around me. Got it.
Hello again, Steve:
So, you want me to ask you if your father is terminal. You want me to ask you if he's in the last days of his life... You want me to ask if he's competent...Quote:
So you'd rather I stick to the fake stories and not real life around me. Got it.
Well, I ain't gonna.
excon
Don't you think everybody has a compelling experience, be it good or bad, for or against the ACA? I mean we shouldn't do something because it has problems for a few, granted millions, against the tens of millions it will benefit?
Does moving backward instead of forward benefit MORE people? What about the millions who lose what they NEEDED, and not just liked?
Come on. You choose sticker shock, or more money, over sick people already??
Here we go again with the false "wingers are cold hearted b@stards" aka "Republicans want you to die quickly" argument again, while thinking screwing up healthcare for the vast majority of us and exacerbating the doctor shortage is progress. Have you guys never learned you don't fix something by making it worse?
I question your VAST MAJORITY! Back up your numbers.
Use Obama own inflated numbers of uninsured and subtract that from the population and you tell me.
You know as well as I do there are more sick/poor/old people in need than there are inconvenienced temporarily.
Doesn't matter whose numbers you use.
No I don't. I know the vast majority of Americans were insured by your own numbers. I know nearly every one of them will lose the plans they had, and quite a few will have to pay significantly more for lesser plans and fewer provider choices.
CNN: ObamaCare Website Crashes During Signup Process - YouTube
CNN crashed the Obamacare web site today .
Under that video, tomder, it says --
"Published on Dec 1, 2013
CNN: ObamaCare Website Crashes During Signup Process (November 1, 2013)"
Then there is this from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/01/politi...acare-website/
"By Martina Stewart, CNN
updated 4:01 PM EST, Sun December 1, 2013"
CNN/ORC Poll: Are Obamacare's flaws fixable? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Washington (CNN) – Despite the flawed rollout of HealthCare.gov, a majority of Americans still seem to have an open mind about whether Obamacare will work, and more than half of those surveyed in a new national poll believe the current problems can be solved.
Just to rebutt that vast majority stuff.Quote:
A CNN/ORC International poll also indicates nearly six in 10 Americans oppose the national health care law, but some give the Affordable Care Act a thumbs down because it isn't liberal enough.
A website crashes happens everyday, mine is down right now
trust me WG that was this morning .
Hello clete:
Then you should do the responsible thing, and close your doors forever.Quote:
A website crashes happens everyday, mine is down right now
excon
No ex I will do the responsible thing and restore the website. A website crashes, it isn't the end of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Not whens it's the centerpiece of your landmark legislation by the most tech savvy administration ever.
Especially when it's the centerpiece of your landmark legislation by the most tech savvy administration ever.
Right.
Who made that claim?Quote:
Not whens it's the centerpiece of your landmark legislation by the most tech savvy administration ever.
Hello again,
I'm a SMALL government liberal... You????
Is that before or after Obamacare?
Yes the cost curve went up as government requirements increased . The system before Obamacare could hardly be called 'free market' .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Curious to know how you reconcile being a 'small government'type of guy with a national single payer system that administers to 315 million Americans (and God knows how many illegals ) .
The system before was run entirely by business for many decades, so the model they used must have been broken yet they made no fixes to it. WHY?
What could they have done to fix it?
Obviously government is the solution. Maybe one day they'll even be able to build a website.
P.S. Via Chuck Todd from the WH relaunch report, why government is not the solution:
Even the regime admits the private sector does it better.Quote:
CHUCK TODD: David, the most interesting thing in this report, right, page one– it's page three of the report, it says here that, “The team is operating with private sector velocity and effectiveness.”
DAVID GREGORY: Yeah.
CHUCK TODD: Okay, that is an acknowledgement that, “You know what? If this was a government operation for a long time and it failed, now we're bringing in the private sector folks.” I mean, that is an indictment on the whole idea of government as a solution, frankly, when you look at [unintelligible].
Try to keep up. It's a collaboration between public and PRIVATE sectors. The website has gone from 43% to 90% efficient in 60 days. That's progress. Therewill be more progress, on many fronts.
No it wasn't . It was run as 50 state government approved cartels .It's more cable tv. Only a few providers are allowed in ,at the local politicians discretion .You can't as a consumer make choices in programming. You must purchase tiers of service that pads your dial with cr@p you'll never watch . In the end you are over paying for services that you don't want .Quote:
The system before was run entirely by business for many decades,
The only difference is that Obamacare takes the whole concept national .
Hello again, tom:
For the same reason you call yourself a small government conservative, all the while supporting a military that is 10 times larger than the next 10 largest nations COMBINED.Quote:
Curious to know how you reconcile being a 'small government 'type of guy with a national single payer system that administers to 315 million Americans
By the way, single payer is NOT large government.. It's government writing checks.. You don't need a HUGE, HUMONGOUS bureaucracy to do that.. You need a FEW computer geeks. It could be done out of the basement in the White House.
Your HUGE military, on the other hand, really IS that big..
excon
Hello again, Steve:
It's now. That's another reason why single payer would have been much better.. Obamacare pushes down the cost curve every so slightly.. But, it really wasn't meant to DO that.. It was MEANT to be a free market system, and it IS. You know, with PRIVATE insurance companies, and stuff..Quote:
Is that before or after Obamacare?
Oh, it's an OUT OF CONTROL market, and NEEDS to be curbed... But, Obamacare ain't gonna do that, cause it's NOT universal healthcare..
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