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  • Nov 1, 2013, 07:54 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    Let's say instead of an abortion factory we were talking about a Catholic clinic that ministers to the poor.
    Nahhhh. You got me wrong. I'm HAPPY the church would minister to the poor. Now, under Obamacare, they don't have to insure their workers any more either, so there's no 1st Amendment issue. Obamacare SOLVED that one, huh?

    excon
  • Nov 1, 2013, 08:17 AM
    tomder55
    Not really . What Obamacare does is to force them into a socialized system or violate their convictions.
    But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code. Would you permit it to remain open without making the changes to comply ?
  • Nov 1, 2013, 08:51 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code.
    You know I don't duck stuff.

    As you may know, I DON'T live my life by what SOME people write down in a book and call it law.

    Were I to observe an attempt to CLOSE your Catholic charity for POLITICAL reasons, and political reasons ONLY, I'd object, and object STRENUOUSLY. That's clearly the case here.

    Some people, somehow, believe these trap laws are designed for the safety of women. I can't imagine HOW they could believe that, but they do.

    excon
  • Nov 1, 2013, 09:41 AM
    tomder55
    Hmmmmm the ole death by 1000 cuts incrementalism strategy.. Something the left has employed for decades . The abortion clinics are conducting commerce (specifically surgery )... and can and should be regulated just as any other ambulatory surgical centers that performs such services require .
  • Nov 1, 2013, 10:07 AM
    tomder55
    A related note... today Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote an appeals court decision about the contraceptive mandate .She ruled in favor of Freshway Foods objections to the mandate She wrote that as a result of the regulation, the plaintiffs "can either abide by the sacred tenets of their faith, pay a penalty of over $14 million, and cripple the companies they have spent a lifetime building, or they become complicit in a grave moral wrong."
    Appeals courts rulings have gone both ways ;so it can be assumed that SCOTUS will make a decision sooner or later .
  • Nov 1, 2013, 09:20 PM
    paraclete
    Tom why don't you rephrase your question and remove the word catholic. Now should that clinic be regulated, of course it should
  • Nov 2, 2013, 02:36 AM
    tomder55
    Agree Clete.. The pro-abortionists here think abortion clinics should work outside of standard regulations.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 03:23 AM
    speechlesstx
    The left never met a regulation it didn't love unless it's abortion related.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 06:21 AM
    talaniman
    Republicans only regulate what they don't like, but they refuse to regulate anything that big business does. Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 06:28 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.
    Yup Repubics are part of the problem too.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 08:16 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    A related note... today Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote an appeals court decision about the contraceptive mandate .She ruled in favor of Freshway Foods objections to the mandate She wrote that as a result of the regulation, the plaintiffs "can either abide by the sacred tenets of their faith, pay a penalty of over $14 million, and cripple the companies they have spent a lifetime building, or they become complicit in a grave moral wrong."
    Appeals courts rulings have gone both ways ;so it can be assumed that SCOTUS will make a decision sooner or later .

    The court seemed unimpressed with the government argument.

    Quote:

    Obama administration said that the requirement is necessary to protect women’s health and abortion rights. The judges were unconvinced that forcing companies to violate their religious rights was appropriate.

    Brown wrote that “it is clear the government has failed to demonstrate how such a right — whether described as noninterference, privacy, or autonomy — can extend to the compelled subsidization of a woman’s procreative practices.”

    Court Rules Obama Admin Can't Make Catholic family Business Follow HHS Mandate | LifeNews.com
  • Nov 2, 2013, 08:33 AM
    talaniman
    Another argument for single payer, and doing away with employer based health care. But the down side is that eventually workers who lose insurance benefits or have theirs modified will want something in return, and that's MONEY.

    Cool. I know those religious folks see that coming. Good Luck in the court.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 08:43 AM
    speechlesstx
    In other words you think the same government that can't build a website in 3 1/2 years would excel with even more control.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 09:39 AM
    talaniman
    Fixing problems isn't more control. Making things work would be better than flat out sabotage. And its not more control that's the goal but more cooperation to make it work.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 10:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 11:07 AM
    talaniman
    You did your best to kill the bill and the government and FAILED. Don't care if you cooperate or not. I don't expect you to cooperate. That's not ironic just fact. Not something to lose sleep over or stop working for. That would be false hope on my part.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 01:24 PM
    speechlesstx
    I'm going to cooperate and let the dems take the heat.
  • Nov 2, 2013, 06:03 PM
    paraclete
    There you are sense at last
  • Nov 3, 2013, 07:04 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.
    This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.

    You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...

    Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.

    excon
  • Nov 3, 2013, 07:42 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.

    You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...

    Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.

    excon

    Greenies for days
  • Nov 4, 2013, 04:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.

    You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...

    Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.

    excon

    I believe I asked this before, who besides some media hero wearing sneakers, pro-abortion loonies and a few indignant libs was upset at this conservative state passing laws to protect women and the integrity of the vote?

    In the case of obamacare the opposition was loud, clear and overwhelming. Most of us here are just fine with the new Texas laws.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 05:06 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    who besides some media hero wearing sneakers, pro-abortion loonies and a few indignant libs was upset at this conservative state passing laws to protect women and the integrity of the vote?
    So, RAMMING is just fine if it's YOUR side doing it.

    HYPOCRITE!!!

    excon
  • Nov 4, 2013, 05:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    So, RAMMING is just fine if it's YOUR side doing it.

    HYPOCRITE!!!

    excon

    What part of we like it are you not getting? It's not ramming if we support it.

    P.S. What was the name of Ted Cruz' Democrat opponent?
  • Nov 4, 2013, 06:22 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    P.S. What was the name of Ted Cruz' Democrat opponent?
    His name was Loser. Who cares?

    What makes you a hypocrite is that you PUT PEOPLE DOWN for DOING EXACTLY what you're doing. It's something you'll NEVER get.

    Look. I don't LIKE what right wingers are doing on abortion, but they WON, and that's how we do business here.. I'd NEVER say they RAMMED it down anybody's throat, because that's fundamentally INCORRECT!!!! I UNDERSTAND democracy. You guys have no clue.

    For the above reasons, and more, liberals are MUCH better people than you.

    excon
  • Nov 4, 2013, 06:36 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I believe I asked this before, who besides some media hero wearing sneakers, pro-abortion loonies and a few indignant libs was upset at this conservative state passing laws to protect women and the integrity of the vote?

    In the case of obamacare the opposition was loud, clear and overwhelming. Most of us here are just fine with the new Texas laws.

    No it wasn't it was just you right wing loony's that didn't like it, and shut down the government because of it. Its one thing to screw people loudly in your own state, but nowhere can you prove that you have even most AMERICANS on your side.

    You could have change it your way if you had votes, so stop throwing rocks and thinking we are stupid enough to believe your lies.

    When we get the votes in Texas, we are going to make a whole bunch of changes, and I doubt you like it.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 07:41 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    What makes you a hypocrite is that you PUT PEOPLE DOWN for DOING EXACTLY what you're doing. It's something you'll NEVER get.
    Amen brother.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 08:40 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Amen brother.

    Look in the damn mirror Mr ankle biter.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 08:48 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    His name was Loser. Who cares?

    What makes you a hypocrite is that you PUT PEOPLE DOWN for DOING EXACTLY what you're doing. It's something you'll NEVER get.

    Look. I don't LIKE what right wingers are doing on abortion, but they WON, and that's how we do business here.. I'd NEVER say they RAMMED it down anybody's throat, because that's fundamentally INCORRECT!!!! I UNDERSTAND democracy. You guys have no clue.

    For the above reasons, and more, liberals are MUCH better people than you.

    excon

    You seem to be having comprehension issues today, ex. IT ISN'T RAMMING IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. Tal, Wendy Davis and a bunch of bussed in protesters do not a majority make. Your side does in spite of overwhelming majority opposition.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 08:51 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Look in the damn mirror Mr ankle biter.

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3579974

    LOL, perfect example of the hypocrisy.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 08:58 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    You seem to be having comprehension issues today, ex. IT ISN'T RAMMING IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT
    Lemme see. It's only ramming if the OTHER guy wants it, huh? If YOU do it, it's fine..

    And you have the balls to ask ME about comprehension???

    excon
  • Nov 4, 2013, 09:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3579974

    LOL, perfect example of the hypocrisy.

    Dude, if you want to insult someone at least try and make sense you moron.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 10:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:Lemme see. It's only ramming if the OTHER guy wants it, huh? If YOU do it, it's fine..

    And you have the balls tot ask ME about comprehension???

    excon

    Yes I have the balls, in our case they're doing what we the people want, in your case they did what we the people told them explicitly NOT to do. If you can't understand that difference you're beyond help.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 10:54 AM
    talaniman
    Stop making excuses for not be able to count! There is more than enough of US that think you are crazy and extreme. Just not in your neighborhood. WE would be very foolish to even listen to the loud lunatics on the far right.

    Do you even listen to yourself and what YOU write? For example, you holler about sticker shock, but defend profits! The insurance company's sets the price so they can make profits!

    So you holler and blame everybody else, and defend the ones who give you sticker shock. That's loony!
  • Nov 4, 2013, 11:24 AM
    speechlesstx
    Tal, start making sense.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 12:28 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    try and make sense you moron.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    you're beyond help.

    Why are you so angry all the time? Why can't you treat all people with some modicum of respect? Is this what all right-wing types do? belittle, bully, and insult?
  • Nov 4, 2013, 12:44 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Why are you so angry all the time?

    Maybe the Texas dust storms?
  • Nov 4, 2013, 01:44 PM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    Yes I have the balls, in our case they're doing what we the people want, in your case they did what we the people told them explicitly NOT to do. If you can't understand that difference you're beyond help.
    Let's review, shall we??

    Not long ago we had a national election.. It wasn't a poll. It was an ELECTION.. EVERYBODY was counted. That would be EVERYBODY... One of the candidates said he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day. When the NUMBERS came in, he LOST, and he lost BIG.

    What part of a MAJORITY of the American people speaking, and speaking LOUDLY, do you not get???

    excon
  • Nov 4, 2013, 01:55 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    Let's review, shall we??

    Not long ago we had a national election.. It wasn't a poll. It was an ELECTION.. EVERYBODY was counted. That would be EVERYBODY... One of the candidates said he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day. When the NUMBERS came in, he LOST, and he lost BIG.

    What part of a MAJORITY of the American people speaking, and speaking LOUDLY, do you not get???

    excon

    One candidate told us that if we like our insurance and doctors we could keep em .
  • Nov 4, 2013, 02:01 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Tal, start making sense.

    I do make sense, you guys are just to loony to understand sense. Must be all that hollering. Obama Care probably covers that.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    One candidate told us that if we like our insurance and doctors we could keep em .

    You still got yours don't you? Then you weren't lied to.
  • Nov 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    One candidate told us that if we like our insurance and doctors we could keep em .

    It'll all settle out just like Medicare Part D did.

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