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Hello again, tom:
Nahhhh. You got me wrong. I'm HAPPY the church would minister to the poor. Now, under Obamacare, they don't have to insure their workers any more either, so there's no 1st Amendment issue. Obamacare SOLVED that one, huh?Quote:
Let's say instead of an abortion factory we were talking about a Catholic clinic that ministers to the poor.
excon
Not really . What Obamacare does is to force them into a socialized system or violate their convictions.
But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code. Would you permit it to remain open without making the changes to comply ?
Hello again, tom:
You know I don't duck stuff.Quote:
But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code.
As you may know, I DON'T live my life by what SOME people write down in a book and call it law.
Were I to observe an attempt to CLOSE your Catholic charity for POLITICAL reasons, and political reasons ONLY, I'd object, and object STRENUOUSLY. That's clearly the case here.
Some people, somehow, believe these trap laws are designed for the safety of women. I can't imagine HOW they could believe that, but they do.
excon
Hmmmmm the ole death by 1000 cuts incrementalism strategy.. Something the left has employed for decades . The abortion clinics are conducting commerce (specifically surgery )... and can and should be regulated just as any other ambulatory surgical centers that performs such services require .
A related note... today Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote an appeals court decision about the contraceptive mandate .She ruled in favor of Freshway Foods objections to the mandate She wrote that as a result of the regulation, the plaintiffs "can either abide by the sacred tenets of their faith, pay a penalty of over $14 million, and cripple the companies they have spent a lifetime building, or they become complicit in a grave moral wrong."
Appeals courts rulings have gone both ways ;so it can be assumed that SCOTUS will make a decision sooner or later .
Tom why don't you rephrase your question and remove the word catholic. Now should that clinic be regulated, of course it should
Agree Clete.. The pro-abortionists here think abortion clinics should work outside of standard regulations.
The left never met a regulation it didn't love unless it's abortion related.
Republicans only regulate what they don't like, but they refuse to regulate anything that big business does. Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.
Yup Repubics are part of the problem too.Quote:
Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.
The court seemed unimpressed with the government argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Obama administration said that the requirement is necessary to protect women’s health and abortion rights. The judges were unconvinced that forcing companies to violate their religious rights was appropriate.
Brown wrote that “it is clear the government has failed to demonstrate how such a right — whether described as noninterference, privacy, or autonomy — can extend to the compelled subsidization of a woman’s procreative practices.”
Court Rules Obama Admin Can't Make Catholic family Business Follow HHS Mandate | LifeNews.com
Another argument for single payer, and doing away with employer based health care. But the down side is that eventually workers who lose insurance benefits or have theirs modified will want something in return, and that's MONEY.
Cool. I know those religious folks see that coming. Good Luck in the court.
In other words you think the same government that can't build a website in 3 1/2 years would excel with even more control.
Fixing problems isn't more control. Making things work would be better than flat out sabotage. And its not more control that's the goal but more cooperation to make it work.
Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.
You did your best to kill the bill and the government and FAILED. Don't care if you cooperate or not. I don't expect you to cooperate. That's not ironic just fact. Not something to lose sleep over or stop working for. That would be false hope on my part.
I'm going to cooperate and let the dems take the heat.
There you are sense at last
Hello again, Steve:
This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.Quote:
Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.
You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...
Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.
excon
Greenies for daysQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I believe I asked this before, who besides some media hero wearing sneakers, pro-abortion loonies and a few indignant libs was upset at this conservative state passing laws to protect women and the integrity of the vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
In the case of obamacare the opposition was loud, clear and overwhelming. Most of us here are just fine with the new Texas laws.
Hello again, Steve:
So, RAMMING is just fine if it's YOUR side doing it.Quote:
who besides some media hero wearing sneakers, pro-abortion loonies and a few indignant libs was upset at this conservative state passing laws to protect women and the integrity of the vote?
HYPOCRITE!!!
excon
What part of we like it are you not getting? It's not ramming if we support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
P.S. What was the name of Ted Cruz' Democrat opponent?
Hello again, Steve:
His name was Loser. Who cares?Quote:
P.S. What was the name of Ted Cruz' Democrat opponent?
What makes you a hypocrite is that you PUT PEOPLE DOWN for DOING EXACTLY what you're doing. It's something you'll NEVER get.
Look. I don't LIKE what right wingers are doing on abortion, but they WON, and that's how we do business here.. I'd NEVER say they RAMMED it down anybody's throat, because that's fundamentally INCORRECT!!!! I UNDERSTAND democracy. You guys have no clue.
For the above reasons, and more, liberals are MUCH better people than you.
excon
No it wasn't it was just you right wing loony's that didn't like it, and shut down the government because of it. Its one thing to screw people loudly in your own state, but nowhere can you prove that you have even most AMERICANS on your side.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You could have change it your way if you had votes, so stop throwing rocks and thinking we are stupid enough to believe your lies.
When we get the votes in Texas, we are going to make a whole bunch of changes, and I doubt you like it.
Amen brother.Quote:
What makes you a hypocrite is that you PUT PEOPLE DOWN for DOING EXACTLY what you're doing. It's something you'll NEVER get.
Look in the damn mirror Mr ankle biter.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You seem to be having comprehension issues today, ex. IT ISN'T RAMMING IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. Tal, Wendy Davis and a bunch of bussed in protesters do not a majority make. Your side does in spite of overwhelming majority opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3579974Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
LOL, perfect example of the hypocrisy.
Hello again, Steve:Lemme see. It's only ramming if the OTHER guy wants it, huh? If YOU do it, it's fine..Quote:
You seem to be having comprehension issues today, ex. IT ISN'T RAMMING IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT
And you have the balls to ask ME about comprehension???
excon
Dude, if you want to insult someone at least try and make sense you moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yes I have the balls, in our case they're doing what we the people want, in your case they did what we the people told them explicitly NOT to do. If you can't understand that difference you're beyond help.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Stop making excuses for not be able to count! There is more than enough of US that think you are crazy and extreme. Just not in your neighborhood. WE would be very foolish to even listen to the loud lunatics on the far right.
Do you even listen to yourself and what YOU write? For example, you holler about sticker shock, but defend profits! The insurance company's sets the price so they can make profits!
So you holler and blame everybody else, and defend the ones who give you sticker shock. That's loony!
Tal, start making sense.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Why are you so angry all the time? Why can't you treat all people with some modicum of respect? Is this what all right-wing types do? belittle, bully, and insult?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Maybe the Texas dust storms?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:
Let's review, shall we??Quote:
Yes I have the balls, in our case they're doing what we the people want, in your case they did what we the people told them explicitly NOT to do. If you can't understand that difference you're beyond help.
Not long ago we had a national election.. It wasn't a poll. It was an ELECTION.. EVERYBODY was counted. That would be EVERYBODY... One of the candidates said he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day. When the NUMBERS came in, he LOST, and he lost BIG.
What part of a MAJORITY of the American people speaking, and speaking LOUDLY, do you not get???
excon
One candidate told us that if we like our insurance and doctors we could keep em .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I do make sense, you guys are just to loony to understand sense. Must be all that hollering. Obama Care probably covers that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You still got yours don't you? Then you weren't lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It'll all settle out just like Medicare Part D did.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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