Yeah I get it by the mute reaction from the left over the emperor's wars . It was never the wars they opposed... it was Bush
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Yeah I get it by the mute reaction from the left over the emperor's wars . It was never the wars they opposed... it was Bush
What mute reaction? Even you guys have posted comments from democrats. You contradict yourself all the time. The emperor hasn't started any wars yet.
Britain, Canada and Germany are opposed, France supports and it looks like the sheep in the U.S. congress will give Obama the go ahead to bomb Syria. I hope it does't happen but it looks almost certain now.
Text of draft resolution for authorization to use force, submitted to Congress .
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Whereas, on August 21, 2013, the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus, Syria, killing more than 1,000 innocent Syrians;
Whereas these flagrant actions were in violation of international norms and the laws of war;
Whereas the United States and 188 other countries comprising 98 percent of the world's population are parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention, which prohibits the development, production, acquisition, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons;
Whereas, in the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003, Congress found that Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction threatens the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States;
Whereas the United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1540 (2004), affirmed that the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons constitutes a threat to international peace and security;
Whereas, the objective of the United States' use of military force in connection with this authorization should be to deter, disrupt, prevent, and degrade the potential for, future uses of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction;
Whereas, the conflict in Syria will only be resolved through a negotiated political settlement, and Congress calls on all parties to the conflict in Syria to participate urgently and constructively in the Geneva process; and
Whereas, unified action by the legislative and executive branches will send a clear signal of American resolve.
SEC. ___ AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES
(a) Authorization. -- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to --
(1) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such weapons; or
(2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons.
(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements. --
(1) Specific Statutory Authorization. -- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements. -- Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution
Text of Obama's draft legislation - CNN.com
Syria could be practice for Iran.Quote:
Whereas the United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1540 (2004), affirmed that the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons constitutes a threat to international peace and security;
Yes Iran needs the practice, whatever is done the possibility of a wider conflicit is large. Syria and Iran are allies, this isn't Iraq standing alone. BO is making sure his a$$ is covered before he acts
Then why not cut out the middle man ? If we are lobbing tomahawks and bunker busters anyway...
Now Tom you know you can't chew gum and spit at the same time. If Afghanistan and Iraq taught you anything it is that you need to be focused on one objective at at time, You are not out of Afghanistan and you want to start another conflict... get real, you are already overstretched with the commitments you have.
If you want to take on Syria it will have to be all in not that halfarsed approach you had with Libya. You can't just do a punative strike and walk away and in any case the possibility of killing civilians is high
The probability is also high they make a mistake and take Assad out too! OOPS,
Yes that is an option
The road to Damascus leads through Tehran .
There are two ways to get there Tom you could try travilling from west to east in which case you could be there tomorrow
Kerry caught using doctored information
EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Kerry Caught Using Fake Photo to Fuel Syrian War
He did quickly backstep after being called out on it...
Used photos from Iraq... as if there wasn't enough stuff from Syria.
Makes you wonder about everything else they are claiming.
Lurch didn't have a very good weekend.
Hello again, wingers:
Yeah, Obama sucks.. Nonetheless, should we BOMB Syria, or should we NOT? THAT is the question that NOBODY wants to answer...
I'll answer. YES! Bomb that Mf'er. Will YOU go on record?? Nahhh, you won't. You, like the mealy mouths in congress, want to see which way the wind is blowing first..
excon
I see excon wants to help Al Queda and Iran take over Syria... because anything you do against Assad will help those two groups... and as bad as he is... they are worse.
Hello again,
I see smoothy wants to support one of Israel's worst enemy's.
excon
I'm just busy watching the irony, as in Rand Paul asking, “How do you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?”Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't care which way the wind blows, Assad is bad news and should be punished. I just want to know what the objective is. If it's to lob a few missiles to cover for Obama's loose lips then no. If we're going to use our military then they need to kick some a$$ and for a good reason.
Hello wishy washy Steve:Bush had no trouble asking 4,000 Americans to shed their lives... The irony is that Rand Paul is a peacenik, and you're NOT.Quote:
“How do you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?”
Me neither... I'll bet you and I would agree on what constitutes "punishment", though.. Obama wants to "limit" punishment.. I don't know HOW you do that..
Excon
RIght... Al Queda and Iran are Israels friends? When did that happen? I didn't get the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
LOL, I'm not being wishy-washy, just observing the role change. As Jim Treacher puts it, "It might seem confusing, but it’s very simple: Sometimes going to war is bad, and those who do it are evil. Other times, the President of the United States is a Democrat."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Read more: Pelosi: We have to bomb Syria to find out what's in it | The Daily Caller
My idea of punishing Assad is as how tom puts it, turning him into pink mist.
Hello UN wishy washy Steve:
Absolutamundo.Quote:
My idea of punishing Assad is as how tom puts it, turning him into pink mist.
Excon
If the treaty signed by 90 something nations banning the use of gas during conflicts, then it seems everybody would be outraged at this blatant disregard of that international standard. If you do NOTHING, then surely he will do it again. I would turn his a$$ into the governing body, which is the HAGUE, and if they did nothing, the UN did nothing, the international body did NOTHING, then we can make a decision on what WE do.
I point out that he has used gas, and everybody has done nothing already. At this point it doesn't matter who said what, why, or when, as all that matters is what we do about it. Its already a war, spread through more countries than Syria, has been for a few years now.
Blow the sucker away, and be done with it.
Then what do you guys plan to do with Irans mercenaries,. the Al Queada backed rebels... or the Hezbolah terrorist backed Rebels take over... particularly when they Put Israel in their cross hairs next... now they would have a base to lauch from... and it would be one of those three groups that would fill in the vacuum left by Assad.
Assad as bad as he is... is still the lesser of the evils.
They step out of line, blow those suckers away too! Why is this so complicated? I think this president has creds for eliminating the enemy. If he can find and blow a sucker away who's hiding, then for damn sure he can blow the suckers away who aren't.
That scenario sounds awfully familiar...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If we eliminate all the suckers (enemies), who will take over the country? It will become our 51st state?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What, are we the world's policeman now? Why pick one evil dictator over another evil dictator?
Wasn't YOUR guys just whining about "civilian" casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan? And Pakistan?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
We ARE the leader of the free world. Nobody shy's away from THAT appellation.. But, you don't become the worlds leader without dishing out some discipline.Quote:
What, are we the world's policeman now?
Or, is all that crap about American Exceptionalism, CRAP??
Excon
Funny how the people that were bellyaching about Iraq and Afghanistan are preaching getting involved in Syria where we have absolutely no national interests at all of any type... just because the Messiah wants to do it.
Funny how the guys who went to Iraq and Afghanistan bellyache about this president bombing Syria without the boots on the ground.
THere were actual national interests for going into both Afghanistand and Iraq... but you guys have repeatedly made clear you aren't capable of grasping the basic concepts...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And nobody has yet shown one good reason we should go into Syria other than the fact Obama needs to defend his manhood... and is having a tantrum that the Brits told him to stuff it. As has almost everyone else so far.
I'm guessing he's been suffering from ED and he feels a need to go out and kill some people to feel like a man again.
This is more like Clintoon's wag the dog in 1998... lob a few at aspirin factories and lob a few at empty AQ camps in the Afghan plains.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I stated about a decade ago that we needed to beat on Assad like a drum. Back then he was aligned with AQ and funnelling them into Iraq via the 'rat line' to wage war against the US.
I would be more comfortable now if I knew who we are aligning with in this conflict . I would be more comfortable if we were handing Syria off to a "Free Syrian Army " and not an AQ off shoot .
It reeks of hypocrisy that the Dems are suddenly concerned about Muslims using cw against their own. They were not concerned about it in the 1990s when Saddam was using them on the Kurds and Shia . There was no "moral outrage " when the Iraqis and the Iranians killed off over 1 million combatants... often using cw.
I would be more convinced if I was sure that it was Assad's thugs that did the act. As I have pointed out on this op... Twice in the recent months it was the rebels that were caught using and posssessing them.
Turkey arrests 12 in raids on 'terrorist' organization | Reuters
Iraq arrests five in 'al-Qaeda chemical weapons plot' - Telegraph
Who says the rebels used them in May ? Member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria ,Carla Del Ponte, says so .
U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator | Reuters
So despite JF Kerry's certainty ("We saw rows of dead lined up in burial shrouds, the white linen unstained by a single drop of blood.")... as he references a picture that was taken in Iraq a decade ago...
BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre' - Telegraph
Call me undecided.
Never mind the fact the very same agencies that produced this report also produced the report that Kerry and Obama claimed was full of lies when Bush was in office... and in many cases the very same people.
I'm just strolling down memory lane...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
Well, isn't this a fine how do you do? We got two right wingers, (smoothy and tom) who want to coddle the enemy, and we got two lefty's and one righty (me, tal and Steve), who want to PUNISH this piece of sh*t.
Carol is still asking questions.
How we line up is about how the rest of the country is lining up. No?
excon
MOST of the country is dead set against it too... because there is no upside... anything that happens will make things a lot worse than they are now. THere are no "better" options to fill in after Assad would be gone... only one of several Islamic knuckle dragger groups.
Hello again, smoothy:
If you consider that doing NOTHING would embolden North Korea to attack the South, cause Iran to expand its nuclear efforts, and would encourage Putin to continue poking us in the eye, then I see PLENTY of upside to flicking this flea.Quote:
because there is no upside.
Excon
Syria has nothing to do with North Korea...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Want to talk about a real Quagmire... take out Assad right now and that's what you got. All the dominant rebel groups are terrorists or friends of Iran and ALL of them want to commit Genocide against Israel... and they have all made such staements.
I would think YOU would be thinking about that... because you want to make a bad situation orders of magnitude worse.
There IS no positive outcome in Syria... just bad (now) and worse (if Assad is take out).
Didn't your party learn anything from Libya, Algeria, Egypt?
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