How is a fourth targeting just the TPARTY? And how does the NAME on an application exempt further investigation? Are you saying investigate everyone EXCEPT the TPARTY?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's utterly ridiculous.
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How is a fourth targeting just the TPARTY? And how does the NAME on an application exempt further investigation? Are you saying investigate everyone EXCEPT the TPARTY?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's utterly ridiculous.
What's utterly ridiculous are your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
There is only relevant fact needed to answer your silly questions. From the outset, and the whole reason this came up - as noted in the original post on this board - was an IRS admission of wrongdoing in targeting conservative groups.
'Nuff said, your repeated hammering at this same nonsense is pointless.
I guess their apology means nothing . Even CBS is using the word targeted in their reporting .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
IRS targeted tea party groups earlier than 2012 - CBS News
But keep on denying it if you choose. By the way Doug Shulman visited the White House 118 times ;and not all of them were to roll easter eggs. I predict he will face pergury charges unless he fesses up about who in the White House was behind this .
Naw, the right wing noise machine is still making this a scandal because the Prez told them to do it.
I ask questions to gain understanding, you holler to make noise and distract from your inability to answer questions. This allows you to keep your own facts that allows you to see what you want.
What you think I didn't notice?
At least we don't just make 'em up out of thin air, like the war on women which is actually being waged by the left, but I digress. If you still cannot acknowledge the first fact you have no credibility on this my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, tom:
It means something... But, not enough to CONVICT anybody... I'm looking for the WORDS, since you have an affinity for them, out of the IRS mouth that said they TARGETED anybody...Quote:
I guess their apology means nothing .
I want to hear the word TARGET out of their mouth. If that word is MISSING, then it's YOUR word, and there's NO scandal... Nothing... Nada. It's right wing gums flapping..
Excon
So if I killed someone but didn't say "I killed someone" I really didn't kill anyone? You guys logic on this is well, lame - it all depends on what the definition of is is.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So only the exact word coming out of the people who did the offense matters... not the Inspector General who did the investigation . Not the multiple news organizations that the left normally swears by .For that matter ;EVERY major news outlet is using the word to describe what happened.
IRS apologizes for targeting tea party groups
IRS replaces official who oversaw targeting
IRS IG Report: Targeting Conservatives Began In 2010 - ABC News
Not the words of a long time lefty in good standing Dem Senator; Claire McCaskill,who said :
“I'm mad. It is un-American, it is wrong, and we have to make sure that this gets fixed,” .... “There's a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold in America. That is because in America, we don't apply the law based on who you are, who you know, or what you believe. We apply the law equally.”...
“We should not only fire the head of the IRS, which has occurred, but we've got to go down the line and find every single person who had anything to do with this and make sure that they are removed from the IRS and the word goes out that this is unacceptable,” she..... “It is un-American, it is wrong, and it cannot occur again.”
Hello again, wingers:
What matters is YOU said, THEY said they TARGETED people, and they DIDN'T say that at all.Quote:
so only the exact word coming out of the people who did the offense matters...
Here's some more words you might or might not understand. If they SAID they targeted people, that's an admission.. If they DIDN'T say that, and YOU did, that's an accusation.
And, THAT matters.
Excon
I'll go with the IG accusing them and take it from there .
Lol, it's amusing that you suddenly won't accept admission of wrongdoing as evidence, but this idea that unless they said a certain word it didn't happen is really bizarre. But I'll play along once.
Let's say immigration was profiling young Muslim men, or the cops were profiling young black men wearing hoodies, would that be targeting?
Let's say the IRS put out a BOLO - “Be On the Look Out” - for Tea Party organizations applying for tax exempt status, would that be targeting?
Target :Quote:
“In May 2010, the Determinations Unit [of the IRS] began developing a spreadsheet that would become known as the “Be On the Look Out” listing (hereafter referred to as the BOLO listing), which included the emerging issue of Tea Party applications. In June 2010, the Determinations Unit began training its specialists on issues to be aware of, including Tea Party cases. By July 2010, Determinations Unit management stated that it had requested its specialists to be on the lookout for Tea Party applications.” (Treasury Inspector General report)
Verb
1. attack, aim at, pick out, single out, fire at
2. choose, select, single out, earmark, fix on
Collins Thesaurus of the English Language
Hello again, Steve:
Oh, contraire. I'm LOOKING for an admission. That's why I asked tom to LINK it to me. He couldn't. I'm still waiting..Quote:
Lol, it's amusing that you suddenly won't accept admission of wrongdoing as evidence
Until then, this isn't about what THEY said.. It's about what YOU said they said, which they clearly DIDN'T..
One is an admission. I know what that is. The other is an accusation. I know what that is too. They're NOT the same thing. One is a scandal. The other isn't.
I don't know what so hard about this.
Excon
No there actually is an admission... just not using the EXACT word targeted . It came from Lois Lerner herself . You know... the one who 1st claimed it was the doing of lower level staffers and now invokes constitutional protection against self incrimination.
I don't know what's so hard about this either, I've linked to it at least 3 times AFTER my original post - the ADMISSION is what started this whole thing. What the heck is so difficult to understand about that??Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Ok, So, that's the word the right wing attached to it.. Now, we're getting someplace... What word DID she use when she admitted targeting?Quote:
just not using the EXACT word targeted
Excon
No WE did not attach the word to it . It was the IG ,it was the President's spokesman Jay Carney ,it's White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler ;it's EVERYONE in the MSM It's even the Huffpo,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3307928.html
... in fact ,it's everyone but you.
She has a right to protect herself from right wing fear mongers who react to the smell of blood in the water, and need a scapegoat in case they fail to impeach the president they hate more than they hate the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Everything is a possible scandal because that's what the want on the right.
Hello again, Steve:
I see that she said they "singled out" certain applications.. My tax returns were singled out too on several occasions, but I wasn't targeted.. It was for further examination... That appears to be what happened here. Examining them further isn't TARGETING. That's what the IRS DOES.
That the dingbat Lois Lerner said the apology word, isn't enough to convince me they "targeted" anybody...
excon
Tal, you and ex are among the 14 people in the country that don't see a scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/wp-co...ee-no-evil.jpg
Hello tom:
I've never minded being in the minority. I see a bureaucratic boondoggle. I see bad management. But, I don't see a scandal.Quote:
Tal, you and ex are among the 14 people in the country that don't see a scandal.
Look. Don't get me wrong.. I HATE government, and the IRS especially.. I also don't mind seeing Obama take a fall IF he's dirty... I don't carry his water. But, in order for me to DO that, I need PROOF. I need a smoking gun. I need something other than dufus IRS employees.
Yes, the IRS guy visited the White House a bunch of times... That proves that he's been to the White House a bunch of times. I don't want to HEAR that crap. It's STUPID crap. I don't want to know what you THINK. I KNOW what you think.
I want to know what the FACTS are...
Excon
I'm still not tom but when the IRS ADMITS wrongdoing and APOLOGIZES for it you can damn sure bet it's worse than they let on.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
... even worse if you ask me. I see a bloated government where the bureaucracy is the ruling class that makes up their own rules as they go along. I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.Quote:
I see a bureaucratic boondoggle. I see bad management
But the left wants the government to have ever more expansive powers over the people . That's why they gave Obamacare enforcement powers to the most intimidating agency in the government . Well this should be just a hint of how they plan on wielding that power .
As opposed to the rich elite who are not accountable to the electorate?Quote:
Posted by tomder55;
... even worse if you ask me. I see a bloated government where the bureaucracy is the ruling class that makes up their own rules as they go along. I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.
Not expansive, more effective and not power over people but power of the people.Quote:
But the left wants the government to have ever more expansive powers over the people . That's why they gave Obamacare enforcement powers to the most intimidating agency in the government . Well this should be just a hint of how they plan on wielding that power.
I doubt there can be any enforcement of the new law before 2016. Don't panic, we can iron the glitches out if you guys stop trying to repeal it before it starts, and send us back to the mercy of the capitalist free market... AKA... wealth extraction for the few.
Hello again, tom:
Couple things..Quote:
I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.
I DON'T think we're better off finding out that our government is corrupt. Of course, if it IS, we are, but I'm willing to wait for PROOF.
In terms of "running" Obama care, the IRS is only going to be in charge of verifying eligibility. That might take two people and some good software. Besides that, they ain't in charge of ANYTHING.
They're looking at Sarah Palin to run the Death Panels, though. She needs some good honest work.
Excon
Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I never thought I would ever hear excon sounding like Joe Arpaio.
Sheriff Joe to Hawaii: Show Us The Proof!!
Wonders will never cease
Mr. head in the sand, the IRS has ALREADY created 8 offices to be staffed with 2137 agents to deal with Obamacare... so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What could go wrong?
That's correct .The rest of Obamacare will be run by the shake down artist HHS Director Sebilius.
And watch for riing rates as they are about to skyrocket by 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sebelius: Well, yeah actually, ObamaCare is causing insurance premiums to rise « Hot Air
Those insurance companies will take any excuse eh?
Claims of political targeting by the IRS are flooding into the House Ways and Means Committee now that people targeted realize they were victims of this invasion of their rights. Some recorded their conversations according to David Drucker ,Washington Examiner's Sr Congressional correspondent.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-.../form/?ID=2538
The Committee has set up a web site for those affected to share their story.
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/forms/form/?ID=2538
If it walks and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.Quote:
I'm willing to wait for PROOF
I have no expectation of finding a smoking gun . The Emperor and his courtiers are too smart for that . But all the dots lead directly to the White House.
If ever the Issa Committee gets really serious about this ,they will start asking questions of Robert Bauer, general counsel for Zero's presidential campaigns, White House general counsel during his first term, and counsel to Clintoon during his Senate impeachment trial. He is also husband of Anita Dunn, White House communications director in the Emperor's first term.He is also author of "Soft Money, Hard Law: A Guide to the New Campaign Finance Law" '
The Obot's demanded the IRS criminally prosecute conservative groups with 501(c)4 tax status during his 2008 campaign .
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...inion_newsreel
Then, last year, Zero's re-election campaign targeted private citizens who had donated to Romney groups ,and of course it has been documented that donors the Romney's campaign were aggressively audited .
The people directing this did not have to have direct marching orders from the Emperor to know what was expected of them .
All ducks aside Tom it seems BO just can't get his ducks in a row, could be he is a dead duck as well as being a lame duck
It took you 24 hours to hunt down a duck pun that lame? Don't quit your day job.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
All my own work but I didn't try hard after all it was so obvious, quack, quack! Duck the only animal who has learned to say his own name, quack quack!Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Got to go now and do some real work
Hey, remember that Gibson guitar raid, where they were accused of using verboten rosewood? The one where their facilities were raided by heavily armed agents, had materials and hard drives confiscated, forced to spend millions in attorney fees and paid a fine yet no wrongdoing was found - even though a competitor using the same wood was left alone?
Turns out the problem seems to be it's all which party you donate to.
IRS Tea Party Intimidation An Echo Of Raids On Gibson Guitar - Investors.com
And the really fun part is that Gibson hasn't gotten their hardwoods back, three years later.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's their version, here is the other one,
Gibson Guitar Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lacey Act of 1900 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
The case was settled on August 6, 2012, with Gibson admitting to violating the Lacey Act and agreeing to pay a fine of $300,000 in addition to a $50,000 community payment. Gibson also forfeited the wood seized in the raids, which was valued at roughly the same amount at the settlement.[27][28] The case raised concerns for musicians who lack documentation of vintage instruments made of traditional, non-sustainable materials.[17][29] However, officials from the Justice Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have stated that musicians who unknowingly possess instruments made from illegal wood would not be treated as criminals.[30]
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The Lacey Act protects both plants and wildlife by creating civil and criminal penalties for a wide array of violations. It prohibits trade in wildlife, fish, and plants that have been illegally taken, transported or sold. The law is still in effect, although it has been amended several times.[1]
This environmental legislation came under attack starting in 2009 when facilities of Gibson Guitar Corporation were raided and hardwoods that had been illegally harvested in Madagascar were seized. Gibson professed its innocence and accused the federal government of bullying. Gibson eventually admitted wrongdoing and settled the case in August 2012, saying it felt "compelled to settle as the costs of proving [the] case at trial would have cost millions of dollars and taken a long time to resolve."[2]
They gave the bully their lunch money rather than keep getting beat up. Mussolini would be SO proud of this government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Really a government that bullies its subjects, go figureQuote:
accused the federal government of bullying
Millions plea bargain because they can't afford a trial, or a lawyer. They holler innocent and paint themselves as victims. Are they?
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