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  • Feb 4, 2013, 08:18 AM
    talaniman
    Sec. Of Defense doesn't initiate any policy but what the president tells him to. I think he has the votes.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 08:59 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah he'll definitely be a mouth piece... a trained monkey .
  • Feb 4, 2013, 09:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Sec. of Defense doesn't initiate any policy but what the president tells him to. I think he has the votes.

    I have to echo tom's sentiment, the president doesn't want a qualified leader, he wants a trained monkey. Apparently you're OK with incompetence at the highest levels of government.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 09:41 AM
    talaniman
    He was a war hero, on the ground in Viet Nam. Who will be a lot more thoughtful before sending our troops to war than the Bush crowd.

    Good thing McCain-Palin/Romney-Ryan got rejected. Just saying.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 10:17 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    He was a war hero, on the ground in Viet Nam. Who will be a lot more thoughtful before sending our troops to war than the Bush crowd.

    Good thing McCain-Palin/Romney-Ryan got rejected. Just saying.

    Being a combat veteran does not qualify him to lead the military, which, in essence exists to kill people and break things.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 10:21 AM
    tomder55
    I thank him for his service. There are thousands of similar Vets who I don't think should lead our Armed Services.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 10:22 AM
    talaniman
    That's only one of many qualifications and being a war hero should NOT disqualify him either.
  • Feb 4, 2013, 10:29 AM
    tomder55
    It doesn't... that he goes into a hearing about his nomination (the equivalent of a job interview ) unprepared to answer basic questions about the issues he'll have to deal with disqualifies him. Jeeeze ;You raked Palin over the coals for answers to a gotcha interview and made judgements on her qualifications (and intelligence ) based on that few moments on television. This guy knew the questions were coming and still couldn't anwer them.

    But ;he'll be approved because the President gets to pick the people who work for him (unless he's Bush selecting a UN ambassador ).
  • Feb 14, 2013, 06:32 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    I don't know where I put my last Ted Cruz blast, but I'll this one here. Did you know that he's been a senator for a whole month??

    He's a SCUMBAG of the first order.

    excon
  • Feb 14, 2013, 07:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Damn him for actually vetting someone.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Excuse me?? Suggesting that Hagel might be a paid agent for North Korea or pals around with Iranians, is a smear, EVEN in right wing world...

    I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that your right wing blinders prevent you from seeing this for what it is.

    excon
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:11 AM
    talaniman
    Like most righties Cruz would rather open his mouth rather than listen and learn.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:15 AM
    tomder55
    Lindsey Graham and Jim Inhofe;both long time Senators , are against "Professor "Hagel too. Guess they are scumbags . I think the President could pick a better nominee than someone who thinks the United States is the world's bully.

    However ,unlike the Dems who blocked John Bolton ;I think the President should have wide latitude in picking his cabinet... at least he won't be a 'czar' .
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:18 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    So, I'll put you in the right wing BLINDER wearing camp too. Being AGAINST Hagel, is DIFFERENT than suggesting he's a TRAITOR.

    Even WITH your blinders on, you should...

    Oh, never mind.

    excon
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Comes from years of listening to you guys whine about Republican ties to ANYTHING. I mean geez, you guys torched a guy for feeling like his daughter was violated and you have no questions on this moron who clearly has questionable ties and views being asked to head our defense?

    Seriously, after the original Borking I feel no sympathy for someone nominated by a Democrat being grilled. Get over it.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Like most righties Cruz would rather open his mouth rather than listen and learn.

    Coming from the side with Biden and Alan Grayson? Bwa ha ha!
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:22 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    So, I'll put you in the right wing BLINDER wearing camp too. Being AGAINST Hagel, is DIFFERENT than suggesting he's a TRAITOR.

    Even WITH your blinders on, you should.....

    Oh, never mind.

    excon

    I think there is some merit in the claims about the money that warrants further inquiry .
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:34 AM
    tomder55
    Frankly ;I'm surprised Zero didn't go with Michele Flournoy as his pick... unless he knew that Hagel would be so objectionable that he threw him there as a sacrificial lamb before dropping him for Flournoy .
  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    I'm sure Feinstein is just as bad as Cruz for holding up the Brennan confirmation for a couple of weeks over the drone issue. Even McCain has cooled to his opposition of a Hagel filibuster.

    I don't see the problem with the Senate looking for answers from the most transparent administration evah!
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:01 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    It's true. I mean, all you're doing is asking questions, right? Although there's NO evidence whatsoever, he MIGHT be a commie. He might be an agent for North Korea. I mean, if you don't look at where he made his money, you'll never know if he was a TRAITOR or not... Really, if Chuck Hagel doesn't disclose EVERYTHING, I'll think he's an Iranian sympathizer too. I mean, if we're only asking questions.

    excon

    PS> You guys are pitiful..
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:08 AM
    talaniman
    It's a little late for fishing expeditions since there was ample time to investigate and ask proper questions during the nomination process. But NOOOOOOO... we had to investigate Viet Nam and Iraq.

    Nobody asked about finances then, so why is it credible now? It ain't. VOTE and get on with it.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:12 AM
    excon
    Hello tal:

    This is PURELY political. They can't TOUCH Obama, so they pile on the next best thing. Of COURSE, he's qualified..

    excon
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:20 AM
    speechlesstx
    So in other words we should just bend over and take it in the backside. I like Cruz, he's a bulldog. You know an old bulldog don't you?

    Oh and Tal, it was during the nomination HEARINGS which IS where you ask questions. But again, you guys wouldn't know anything about Borking a nominee do you?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:34 AM
    tomder55
    Maybe it is political . I think he'd be a disaster . But I understand why the President wants him. The President wants to gut the military to 1970s levels of ineffectiveness. With Hagel ;he has a Republic face to the dismantling so he can claim bipartisanship. That's the pitiful part .
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:45 AM
    talaniman
    You squandered your opporunity buddy, and to put Bork for SCOTUS in the same category as Hagle for Defense is ludicrous. Your own presidential nominee got away with releasing a year of his taxes and you guys said NOTHING, but defended him. Now you want a cabinet post nominee to be scrutinized going back 5 years? You should have called the FBI sooner.

    Now vote, up or down, doesn't matter.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 09:54 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    maybe it is political . I think he'd be a disaster . But I understand why the President wants him. The President wants to gut the military to 1970s levels of ineffectiveness. With Hagel ;he has a Repubic face to the dismantling so he can claim bipartisanship. That's the pitiful part .


    Seems to me that would make his nomination purely political.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 10:04 AM
    smoothy
    Guys like Hagal are the ones that thought "Measured response" during the Vietnam war was the way to fight a battle.

    They were wrong then too. Halfassing anything is a recipee for failure.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 10:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You squandered your opporunity buddy, and to put Bork for SCOTUS in the same category as Hagle for Defense is ludicrous.

    Position is irrelevant, Dems started this reaming of nominees and now whine when ALL of theirs don't sail through without vetting. Get over it.

    Quote:

    Your own presidential nominee got away with releasing a year of his taxes and you guys said NOTHING, but defended him.
    You have an awfully short or convenient memory.

    Quote:

    Mitt Romney tax documents 2010-2011

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has released his 2011 federal tax return. He also has released a letter from his tax preparers, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP, giving a summary of Romney's tax rates for the 20-year period from 1990-2009. View the full 2011 return and the 20-year summary letter, as well as his previously released 2010 federal tax return, 2011 estimated 1040 form and tax documents for his family's blind trusts and charitable foundation. Also included in the release was the 2011 federal tax return for vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan.
    Quote:

    Now you want a cabinet post nominee to be scrutinized going back 5 years? You should have called the FBI sooner.

    Now vote, up or down, doesn't matter.
    Only 5? What's the problem?

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