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  • Feb 13, 2013, 10:29 AM
    talaniman
    Why do you guys want a working family at Walmart to be punished for having a low paying job?

    Why do you guys keep emphasizing the failures in the energy departments programs and completely ignore the successes? I sent you the link ages ago. An 85% success rate ain't failure my friend.

    Admit it, you don't want smart effective government, you want no government, except if it benefits YOU. When it doesn't you holler about it. But in fact it does work for those that learn to navigate the process. That's not easy, I admit it, but millions do it.

    If you are going to be the party of gloom, and doom, at least stay out of the way of those that have hope.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 11:02 AM
    tomder55
    This was predictable..
    Quote:

    As the state moves to expand healthcare coverage to millions of Californians under President Obama's healthcare law, it faces a major obstacle: There aren't enough doctors to treat a crush of newly insured patients.

    Some lawmakers want to fill the gap by redefining who can provide healthcare.
    LA Times

    Maybe we can put some of the illegal aliens in doctors smocks... doing the jobs Americans won't do.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 11:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Why do you guys want a working family at Walmart to be punished for having a low paying job?

    Dude, who is forcing anyone to work at Wal-Mart?

    Quote:

    Why do you guys keep emphasizing the failures in the energy departments programs and completely ignore the successes? I sent you the link ages ago. An 85% success rate ain't failure my friend.
    Because it isn't the government's role to pick winners and losers. You guuys spew all those platitudes about fairness but how fair is it for a guy trying to start up a small business with an idea to get nothing while a friend of POTUS gets a few hundred million?

    Quote:

    Admit it, you don't want smart effective government, you want no government, except if it benefits YOU. When it doesn't you holler about it. But in fact it does work for those that learn to navigate the process. That's not easy, I admit it, but millions do it.
    Admit it, you don't know what smart, effective government is and we shouldn't have to "navigate the process "

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    If you are going to be the party of gloom, and doom, at least stay out of the way of those that have hope.
    We're not the ones telling Americans they don't stand a chance without Obama's benevolent care.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 11:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Some lawmakers want to fill the gap by redefining who can provide healthcare.

    Quote:

    maybe we can put some of the illegal aliens in doctors smocks... doing the jobs Americans won't do.
    Probably won't notice a drop-off in care once Obamacare kicks in fully.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 12:15 PM
    speechlesstx
    Speaking of whining about Obama's bad investments...

    Quote:

    Inspector general: Grant money for battery company not ‘managed effectively’

    The Energy Department gave $150 million in economic recovery act funds to a battery company, LG Chem Michigan, which has yet to manufacture cells used in any vehicles sold to the public and whose workers passed time watching movies, playing board, card and video games or volunteering for animal shelters and community groups.

    Those are the conclusions of a report released Wednesday morning by Energy Department Inspector General Gregory H. Friedman, who said that the grant to a subsidiary of South Korean giant LG “had not been managed effectively.”
    Now see that's the problem with Wal-Mart jobs, they just aren't paying people enough to play Spades and video games on taxpayer dollars while providing zero goods and services.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 12:32 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman
    Why do you guys want a working family at Walmart to be punished for having a low paying job?
    Dude, who is forcing anyone to work at Wal-Mart?

    Dude they want to work, not a lot of options for work is there?

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    Why do you guys keep emphasizing the failures in the energy departments programs and completely ignore the successes? I sent you the link ages ago. An 85% success rate ain't failure my friend.
    Because it isn't the government's role to pick winners and losers. You guuys spew all those platitudes about fairness but how fair is it for a guy trying to start up a small business with an idea to get nothing while a friend of POTUS gets a few hundred million?

    Its the governments role to help small business thru programs that have had great results. Go ahead try a bank loan and let me know how that works for you. Last I checked it wasn't just friends that get in on these programs and take years to get backing, friend or foe. Even solyndra wa already in the process long before Obama got to be president

    PolitiFact | Did the program that funded the Solyndra loan start under George W. Bush? David Plouffe says so

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    Republicans, including Bush, emphasized the program's benefits for nuclear energy and biofuels. The president touted the new energy law in his 2007 State of the Union address. His energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, regularly mentioned the loan guarantees in speeches on renewable energy. The Energy Department issued its final rules for the program in 2007, along with a list of 16 companies that made the cut for to apply for its first round of awards, and Solyndra was among them.

    House Republicans investigating Solyndra have claimed that the Bush administration ultimately rejected the Solyndra loan, but that's not quite the case. Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee and news media point out that Bush energy officials wanted to get the loan closed on their way out the door — it was listed as the first of their "three highest priorities through January 15." (Obama took office Jan. 20, 2009.) But the Energy Department's credit committee held things up for more analysis.
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    Admit it, you don't want smart effective government, you want no government, except if it benefits YOU. When it doesn't you holler about it. But in fact it does work for those that learn to navigate the process. That's not easy, I admit it, but millions do it.
    Admit it, you don't know what smart, effective government is and we shouldn't have to "navigate the process "

    You should at least know the process and procedure. There is always a process and procedure to know and follow. Try fixing a wall outlet without shutting of the power, and let me know how it went

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    If you are going to be the party of gloom, and doom, at least stay out of the way of those that have hope.
    We're not the ones telling Americans they don't stand a chance without Obama's benevolent care.

    Thats not what we are saying either, we say stop ering with the right and move the country forward and give all of us a chance not just the rich guys who sucked all the money out of the system.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 12:42 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Thats not what we are saying either, we say stop ering with the right and move the country forward and give all of us a chance not just the rich guys who sucked all the money out of the system.

    "You didn't build that," Julia etc.Yeah, that's exactly what he's saying along with this broken record that keeps skipping at the part about rich guys. And the irony is you still can't see your guys are just as rich and far up corporate America's a$$ as anyone.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 12:47 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    And the irony is you still can't see your guys are just as rich and far up corporate America's a$$ as anyone.
    That's correct... for both parties. Unless you enact some reform for your politicians it'll never change.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 01:01 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's correct...for both parties. Unless you enact some reform for your politicians it'll never change.

    OK, then let's stop this charade of Democrat nobility on that point.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 01:31 PM
    NeedKarma
    If you stop the republican nobility. Deal.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 02:45 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    If you stop the republican nobility. Deal.

    That might be relevant if I had ever started.
  • Feb 13, 2013, 03:04 PM
    NeedKarma
    I get it - your sh!t don't stink either, right? <sigh>
  • Feb 13, 2013, 03:12 PM
    speechlesstx
    USA Today asked for social media response to SOTU and one word came up most often, "screwed."

    CNN on the other hand thinks Rubio is screwed for needing a drink of water.

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDA64IpCAAAV1rw.jpg


    Personally I thought Boehner blowing his nose and Biden scratching his neck behind Zero was more interesting.That and McCain's Shamnesty Shake.


    http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...j80rTuiO0mBPM_
  • Feb 13, 2013, 03:38 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post

    Is he laughing or crying? Who's the disinterested dude on the left?
  • Feb 13, 2013, 04:01 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I get it - your sh!t don't stink either, right?. <sigh>

    Dude, you never know when to quit do you?
  • Feb 13, 2013, 05:20 PM
    tomder55
    McCain looked orgasmic when Zero started talking illegal alien shamnesty
  • Feb 13, 2013, 08:37 PM
    paraclete
    Who's the republican lackey editing the posts?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 05:57 AM
    tomder55
    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...OqjhaIGhqYKRQw
    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...3Ng_o9B7pZwFXg
  • Feb 14, 2013, 01:37 PM
    paraclete
    So people need water, and watergate has already been used
  • Feb 14, 2013, 01:39 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    So people need water, and watergate has already been used

    Speechifying is thirsty work!
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:24 PM
    speechlesstx
    At least we treat our politicians as mere humans, not Messiahs.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:03 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    At least we treat our politicians as mere humans, not Messiahs.
    I still don't understand why you view Obama as the messiah, you rightys are the only ones here who mention that.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:24 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I still don;t understand why you view Obama as the messiah, you rightys are the only ones here who mention that.

    LOL, still haven't learned to stop challenging me on the facts? In denial? I've posted MANY times about who considers Obama more than a mere human. Here's a collection of lefties worshiping their Messiah. Louis Farrakhan even declared him so. He is the "Magic N..... - oops, I can't say it without being reprimanded or censored.

    It's easy to understand when the cult of Obama makes it so plain.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:29 PM
    NeedKarma
    So he IS the Messiah! You should probably listen to him, those are intelligent people who are calling him that, you should take heed and stop calling him names and debasing him.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:33 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    At least we treat our politicians as mere humans, not Messiahs.

    Ahmmmm, when did that happen? Every hopefull is the new massiah over there, Romney was the great white hope, you build them up and then you drop them when they don't win
  • Feb 22, 2013, 11:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    ahmmmm, when did that happen? Every hopefull is the new massiah over there, Romney was the great white hope, you build them up and then you drop them when they don't win

    There's a huge difference between hoping your side wins and worshiping your candidate.

    Now that I've gotten that out of the way, as warned prior to the election Obama is about to hammer seniors now that he's safely in office again.

    Quote:

    Here Comes The Boom: CMS Slashes Medicare Advantage; 'Disarray For Many Seniors'

    Though Democrats denied it during the 2012 campaign, Obamacare cut Medicare by $716 billion in order to partially fund $1.9 trillion in new entitlement spending over the next ten years. A big chunk of those Medicare cuts came from the market-oriented Medicare Advantage program. Cleverly, the Obama administration postponed the Medicare Advantage cuts until after the election, so as to persuade seniors that everything would be just fine. But the election is over. On Friday, the administration announced that it would be significantly reducing funding for the popular program. Obama's proposal, according to one analyst, “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

    Democrats have long been hostile to the Medicare Advantage program, which allows seniors to get their Medicare coverage through plans administered by private insurers. Today, more than a quarter of retirees get their coverage through Medicare Advantage, and the program has experienced rapid growth over the past decade. Richard Foster, the recently-retired chief actuary of the Medicare program, has projected that Obamacare's cuts to Medicare Advantage would force half of its current enrollees to switch back to the old, 1965-vintage Medicare program. Robert Book and James Capretta estimate that this will cost enrollees an average of $3,714 in 2017 alone.
    Damn those Republicans for wanting to push granny over the cliff.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 11:15 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    There's a huge difference between hoping your side wins and worshiping your candidate.

    But Obama can sing on key and dance like a dream! The other guy couldn't do either one.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 11:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Romney actually personally rescued people, physically and financially. Singing to them wouldn't have done much good... just like Obama did to seniors during the campaign only to pull the rug out a few months later.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 11:45 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Singing to them wouldn't have done much good
    Neither does praying but it gives people comfort and that's the point I guess.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 12:23 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Romney actually personally rescued people, physically and financially.

    He also ended their worklives.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 12:41 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Neither does praying but it gives people comfort and that's the point I guess.

    Well that was totally irrelevant to my point.

    Romney rescues capsized boaters

    BIG-HEARTED MITT
    Romney’s life characterized by little-told stories of generosity
  • Feb 22, 2013, 02:06 PM
    paraclete
    Why are we talking about yesterday's man, I say give Obama a chance, if he stuffs up you have more ammunition for the next election, but with a Senate bent on allowing nothing to pass it just ain't going to happen. How it is possible you allow a minority to be obstructive is beyond me.
  • Feb 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    why are we talking about yesterday's man, I say give Obama a chance, if he stuffs up you have more ammunition for the next election, but with a Senate bent on allowing nothing to pass it just ain't goin to happen. How it is possible you allow a minority to be obstructive is beyond me.

    I say why let Obama ruin us and what's wrong with protecting the minority from having no say?
  • Mar 12, 2013, 02:36 PM
    speechlesstx
    Good news on Obamacare (which may have been mentioned elsewhere) , more than 800 pages were added to the Obamacare regulations last week, bringing it to over 20,000 pages. Or, this big:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFGcd8oCUAEEc7k.jpg

    And in even better news, Applying for Obama plan not easy.

    You don't say.

    Quote:

    Applying for benefits under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul could be as daunting as doing your taxes.

    The government's draft application runs 15 pages for a three-person family. An outline of the online version has 21 steps, some with additional questions.

    Seven months before the Oct. 1 start of enrollment season for millions of uninsured Americans, the idea that getting health insurance could be as easy as shopping online at Amazon or Travelocity is starting to look like wishful thinking.

    At least three major federal agencies, including the IRS, will scrutinize your application. Checking your identity, income and citizenship is supposed to happen in real time, if you apply online.

    That's just the first part of the process...

    "This lengthy draft application will take a considerable amount of time to fill out and will be difficult for many people to be able to complete," said Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, an advocacy group supporting the health care law. "It does not get you to the selection of a plan."

    "When you combine those two processes, it is enormously time consuming and complex," added Pollack. He's calling for the government to simplify the form and, more important, for an army of counselors to help uninsured people navigate the new system. It's unclear who would pay for these navigators.
    The Leviathan cometh...
  • Mar 12, 2013, 03:01 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I say why let Obama ruin us and what's wrong with protecting the minority from having no say?

    Speech, no one objects to the minority providing their opinion, but when they are able to obstruct the process to the point that nothing gets done then this is not democracy
  • Mar 12, 2013, 03:02 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Good news on Obamacare (which may have been mentioned elsewhere) , more than 800 pages were added to the Obamacare regulations last week, bringing it to over 20,000 pages. Or, this big:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFGcd8oCUAEEc7k.jpg

    And in even better news, Applying for Obama plan not easy.

    You don't say.



    The Leviathan cometh...

    I would agree with you that legislation like that is ridiculous noit because of what it is designed to achieve but because it cannot be understood
  • Mar 13, 2013, 04:31 AM
    tomder55
    There is no question that this will hasten the destruction of Medicare.
  • Mar 13, 2013, 04:59 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    there is no question that this will hasten the destruction of Medicare.
    So, the right wing is going to do it FIRST.

    Excon
  • Mar 13, 2013, 05:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    So, the right wing is gonna do it FIRST.

    excon

    Dude, look at the picture.
  • Mar 13, 2013, 05:44 AM
    tomder55
    I think it's a big problem when clerks in chiropractor's offices are collecting all types of unrelated data from their patients and submitting it to a central data bank .
    Obamacare is now estimated to at least double its projected $940 billion price tag. It will STILL leave 30 million people uninsured by 2022... and will increase the cost of and reduce the availability of services for seniors on Medicare. And that's what we know already before full implementation.

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