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Well what do you expect the dems to do when you guys act so crazy? The OMB thinks your ideas are crazy too! They have said so. Why don't you guys admit our ideas are workig despite the noise and obstructions from the right?
You guys have CREATED one crisis after another.
Still insisting on living in 1984, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Still working in that spirit of compromise.
If it makes you happy ,I don't blame the President . He should've stayed in Hawaii . He did his job .He proposed a budget. The House passed a budget . The deadlock is the fault of the do nothing Senate.
Why don't you admit how fond you are of the Bush tax cuts ?
My fondness isn't the problem, it's the rich guys fondness for MO" MONEY on top of what they have that breaks the capitalist business model and chokes circulation of a dollar. These are having global consequences that even rich guys are starting to feel.
Don't worry,wall street will holler soon, louder than you guys do and about a different issue than you are hollering about.
PS, nobody liked the budget you guys proposed, and that's why Romney lost. Like I said you guys say NO, but you can't stand when NO is said to you, like in the last election. If Obama can't have a mandate and he won ,then what logic gives you one? Stop patting yourselves on the back, those were the lousiest budget bills from the house in HISTORY.No amount of spin changes that.
At least they did something as opposed to NOTHING. For over 3 years - NOTHING.
If that's what you want to call your right wing antics. Go ahead.
Hello again:
That may or may NOT be true... But, the public thinks it's the Republicans fault. And, it's going to cost 'em.Quote:
The deadlock is the fault of the do nothing Senate.
I don't know why this is such a surprise. The polls reveal it. Oh, that's right. Polls that say ANYTHING negative about Republicans are NOT to be believed.
Excon
Of course the polls reveal it, there is no adversarial media any longer, but for Fox they're Democrat lapdogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
So, the ONLY one who's telling the truth is FOX News, huh?
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Bwa he he he heeeeee.. Bwa ho hoho ho ho ho...
excon
Fox must offer balanced reporting both sides complain about them
Hello again, clete:
I don't know... It looks like Steve thinks they're a paragon of virtue.
excon
Not at all what I said. Which part of the lamestream media beyond Jake Tapper has actually held Obama and the Dems accountable?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Glenn Greenwald does. He appears on "lamestream media" regularly. Others do too. Maybe if you turned the dial OFF Fox News once in a while, you'd KNOW that.Quote:
Which part of the lamestream media beyond Jake Tapper has actually held Obama and the Dems accountable?
Excon
So you had to go to a British paper to find someone, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Of course you know the vast majority of the sources I cite are anyone but Fox so you can dispense with the straw man.
Hello again, Steve:
Couple things... You asked about lamestream media, and I showed one amongst many. I read him regularly. He's American and used to write for Salon. Maybe they're paying him more money. I don't know and I don't care.. He WRITES from the same office CRITICIZING the president and the Democrats. Kind of like I do.. You've heard of the interweb, haven't you?
excon
And how many average Americans get their news via The Guardian and not ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, HNN, NY Times, etc. I think he and Fox are way outnumbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The whole idea of a lamestream media is a straw man argument that the right pushes to decry those they disagree with. Its an excuse not to believe there are other sides of the story. I think conservatives are greatly outnumbered and the farther right the less the numbers.
Speaking of staw men...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I look at facts and they are on my side.
I think I'm falling
Is there anything that Obama can do without congress if they can't reach a deal? There should be some provision for the president to act alone in an emergency when congress is being totally unreasonable.
Yeah dictators have such power
Surely he has the power to sack the congress
I guess Obama isn't the dictator the right says he is. Why am I not surprised they are wrong again?
He is only a dictator because they couldn't stop him doing something they didn't want him to do, guess what? It is about to happen again, proving that Congress is only as strong as it's weakest link
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Emperor Zero pulls an EO out of his hat. Then the hypocrites on the left that abhor such Executive power grabs will applaud his bold action .
No, Congress has the power to sack him.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
CNN said today that congress is getting a big pay raise when regular people could have their taxes go up, lose unemployment benefits and have their tax refunds delayed, this makes me sick. They said Obama has emergency powers to extend benefits and delay tax hikes, so the markets aren't too worried yet, at least for now.
Hello again, earl:
He does, and you can see from toms response, how the Republicans are going to hate it if he does. I don't know WHY they hate the unemployed so. Oh, yeah... They're part of the 47%.
excon
The raise was courtesy of yet another executive order from the guy who in 2007 thought we'd "paid a heavy price for having a president whose priority is expanding his own power." I have no comment on unemployment benefits, you've already made up an opinion for me.
He rescinded his other executive order to freeze pay, and hiring.
What part of executive order do you not get?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What part of congress has options to recind an executive order do you not get?
Executive order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is it the presidents fault congress has no pratical way of delivering a supermajority vote?Quote:
The loss of the legislative veto has caused Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.[10]
In other words, you're OK with this imperial presidency.
By the way, what do you get for $359,796,008,919.49?
Not really but better than the last, it's the do nothing congress I have a real problem with, but I have no control over who the righties elect.Quote:
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In other words, you're OK with this imperial presidency.
I may regret this but... WHAT?Quote:
By the way, what do you get for $359,796,008,919.49?
Nothing. That's what it will take to service the federal debt this coming year.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well speech someone gets that money, it might be individual investors, it might be banks, it might even be China, everyone gets a little
Looks like a deal has been reached, but taxes will only go up on people earning more than 450k a year instead of the 250k that democrats wanted. Republicans still managed to protect the super rich. Notice how the markets soared earlier in the day long before the deal was reached, I wonder if there was some insider trading going on.
$450,000 is super rich ? The Repubics caved . The budget cut issue has had the can kicked down the road for 2 months . Now there is no reason for the Dems to negotiate on that issue since the Repubics already surrendered their only leverage. In 2 months time we will reach a new "fiscal cliff" with the combination of sequestration ;and a debt ceiling happening at the same time .And the Dems will be able to dust off their playbook and blame the Repubics for the imminent plunge.
Good job McConnell ! You got out maneuvered by Joe Biden!! Lolololol!!
Edit ; the CBO says the new deal raises taxes by $620 billion and somehow has some budget cuts to the tune of $15 billion baseline spending . That's a 41:1 ratio .Good job McConnell !
Edit ;the 8 no votes are 3 Dems (Bennett, Cardin, Harkin); 5 Republicans (Grassley, Lee, Paul, Rubio, Shelby). The rest of the Repubics are sell outs.
Edit... still waiting on the Dems to praise the "Bush tax cuts " .Since they fought so hard to preserve them for most of the people ,they should at least acknowledge that they were big fans of the cuts all along.
It's OK Tom the people who benefit most are paying more tax, very progressive and they will get to the budget cuts, but in the meantime there will be some pain on both sides of the camp, even though they got something done they have still driven off the cliff.
You can't expect these fellows with half a brain you elect over there to think of more than one thing at a time, all this brain exercise is too much for them after all you can train monkeys to say no
No they won't ;not even close. They calculate with baseline budgeting which means that even when they claim cuts in spending ;it is actually an increase .Quote:
and they will get to the budget cuts,
In Fiscal Year 2011, the federal government collected $2.303 trillion in tax revenue.
Interest on the debt that year totaled $454.4 billion
That means that around 19.7 percent of the budget is eaten up by debt interest. The US is not yet bankrupt, But we are getting there. It would be like earning 50k a year before taxes and paying some 15k in credit card interest alone.
Mandatory spending totaled $2,025 billion.Mandatory spending plus debt interest totaled $2.479 trillion… exceeding total revenue by $176.4 billion.
Suppose the government spending was frozen to 2012 levels, we are still spending about 108 percent of the current budget based on mandatory spending alone. That's a deficit of 8 percent.
For Fiscal Year 2012 that shortfall increased 43% to $251.8 billion.
That's a deficit of close to 12 percent. Unsustainable.
That's BEFORE the discretionary spending is considered .
They could cut the entire Federal Government's discretionary budget– no more military, SEC, FBI, EPA, TSA, DHS, IRS, etc.– and they would still be in the hole by a quarter of a trillion dollars.
And that's just the way things are now! SS and other entitlements are predicted to expand at twice the rate of inflation.
The young people are screwed . We are going to get crushed by either entitlements or debt. Or both.
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