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Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes, it was a mistake... What it WASN'T was a conspiracy and coverup. You guys ARE desperate...
By the way.. Your news source said "U.S. Officials" decided NOT to bulk up security... Would one of those U.S. Officials BE the ambassador himself?? I think it WOULD be..
excon
No I don't think that's true . His diary tells a different story. The lie and conspiracy was the cover story the Adm attempted to forward to deflect blame.The coverup is the continued insistence that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nahhhh... A COVERUP is when you have something you're HIDING... What, exactly, are they hiding?
You're candidate is Losing badly... You're looking for ANYTHING that might save him, and you're grabbing at straws. That's what this manufactured coverup comes from...
Good luck with that.
excon
They have been using videos and news clips of politicians for years in the middle east as recruitment tools and talking points. The goal is to inflame and throw red meat at low information muslims. Its for power and control for the church, much the same as conservatives here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
They too want a weak central government and the elites and churches to rule over the masses in social issues. They too dealing plots and conspiraies too.
It's amazing... nothing that is a scandal or controversy is a big thing worthy of comment and investigation... Benghazi-gate ;Fast and Furious cover-ups stone walling... aint no biggie.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
When you have the top Senate Republican saying his major objective is to see that Obama is a one term president, and you have Darrell Issa saying Obama is the "most corrupt president in history" with NO evidence to back it up, I'd have to say that you're looking for a scandal just a little too hard.
Now, I'm all for scandals... We have one too, and that's the Republicans suppressing the vote... But, you don't want to talk about THAT scandal
excon
Univision's new expose on Fast and Furious will finally put it into the national debate . They are doing the job the Obama compliant press won't .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Great... I can't wait for them to expose the conspiracy Obama is perpetrating in order to confiscate ALL the guns in his second term..
THAT'S why this stuff doesn't hang on... IF it was REAL to start with, the LIES the Republicans are telling about it, overshadow the scandal, IF there ever was one.
excon
Nah no biggie . Thousands of guns smuggled into the country by a foreign government resulting in 100s of dead Mexicans. One could argue that was an act of war .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah. It WAS a stupid program. But, the part you guys DON'T get is that it was a low level operation that neither Obama or Holder KNEW of. Even the IG said so. But, you STILL want to make a big deal out of it.. That has the look and feel of DESPERATION... Frankly, it always did.
If you WANT a scandal, look into WHY the Republicans kept HIRING this lying, cheating, company who committed voter FRAUD. What did Romney know, and when did he know it?
Or, why don't you mention the CRIME Ronald Regan perpetrated with Ollie North??
excon
I'm on record as being a critic of the Iran Contra. As I recall that was thorougly investigated by an independent prosecutor , and it resulted in criminal charges for 14 people ;four were convicted of felony charges by a jury ; seven pleaded guilty either to felonies or misdemeanors, and one had his case dismissed.
So tell me the name of the independent prosecutor for Fast And Furious??
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tell me the CRIME they're suspected of perpetrating, and I'll join you in your call for a prosecutor. When Reagan broke the law, it was CLEAR that a CRIME had been perpetrated... All you got here, is a bunch of fuming Republicans making stuff up. We don't usually hire prosecutors to investigate conspiracy theories.
excon
So people being murdered, including a Border Patrol agent, and letting guns walk explicitly against ATF policy, not to mention the blatant obstruction of the investigation, is just "fuming Republicans making stuff up."
Oh yeah, "Mexican authorities estimate 300 of their citizens have been injured or killed by Fast and Furious guns."
Read more: 'Furious' guns tied to 2010 Juarez massacre, other murders in Mexico | Fox News
But they're just Mexicans, right?
P.S. Univision is about to create quite a stir about F&F.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation. Tell me, in ENGLISH, what CRIME Obama and Holder are suspected of committing.
Look. I KNOW you hate them. If they're crooks, I want to put 'em away too. I just want to know what they did. I've been asking, and NEITHER of you guys can tell me. Therefore, I conclude, they did NOTHING.
excon
So your only threshold for holding someone accountable is a crime committed. What is it they were wanting Bush executed for? I personally believe obstruction at a minimum, accessory to murder, and if nothing else a bunch of people need to be FIRED. I'm sure the families of all those innocent who were killed or injured could think of plenty of things they should be charged with. You? Apparently no big deal since a Democratic administration is in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
F&F was a bungled policy yes ;but the IG report clearly identifies high ranking members of the Justice Dept for wrongdoing... possibly criminal . It is more likely in the coverup where crimes have been committed . But we won't know without an investigation now will we ?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
To hold them LEGALLY accountable, identifying a crime would be helpful. Otherwise, it's a witch hunt.
If you want to hold them POLITICALLY accountable, you're free to vote for the other guy...
excon
Tom mentioned we don't know enough without a thorough investigation which I've twice said has been obstructed. If you aren't concerned about getting to the bottom of a bungled op that led to many deaths in multiple countries including two (not one) American law enforcement agents, keep turning your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'm absolutely floored that you don't think we need answers.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I HAVE the answers..
You just don't LIKE them.Quote:
While the OIG report found no evidence that higher officials at the Justice Department in Washington had authorized or approved of the tactics used in the Fast and Furious investigations, it did fault 14 lower officials for related failures,
Excon
If it was a botched low level operation and Obama and his flunkies had no involvement, why is the White House invoking executive privilege?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Because it's resisting the witch hunt. What? They should let the right wing congress rummage through their files?? Ain't happening.
Look... Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing, and what evidence you have, if any. But, you ain't got squat. You're just pissed that Romney is going to LOSE.
excon
Again, then what the hell is the most transparent administration ever hiding? Don't feed us that "resisting the witch hunt" crappola, PEOPLE DIED, families need ANSWERS.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
THis administration hasn't hesitated to throw underlings under the bus before... if this IS a low level thing... the upper level people have nothing to hide and tossing the offenders under the bus would put it behind them quickly... but then, where there is smoke there is usually fire. Particularly with this historically opaque administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Valerie Plame was a witch hunt... this is anything BUT a witch hunt, there are mounds of dead bodies with this... and the pile keeps growing.
My prediction is that the Mexican government will very soon hit the US government with RICO charges . What ? You don't think a conspiracy to give weapons to drug cartel terrorists that are used to gun down innocent Mexican civilians isn't Racketeering ? You don't think the coverup and possible pergury in testimony isn't ?Quote:
Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing
Yeah ,this will probably not be a major campaign issue because Romeny hasn't made it one ;and neither has the compliant press . But Watergate wasn't a big issue in 1972 either .
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
NO. Because what you think he covered up, is his plans to confiscate ALL the weapons during his second term... I DO NOT believe the government should HELP right wing NUTS dig in the dirt.
Exocn
I don't wear a tin foil cap. This isn't about confiscation.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
But clearly when Evita stands with the Mexican President and tells the lie that gun smuggling from the US is a factor in drug violence in Mexico ;... then the President spreads the falsehood that this war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, ...
Then we find out that the US government conspired to make it true... then one has to question the motivation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/wo.../26mexico.htmlQuote:
Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians
I think it has something to do with gun control that's true... but their plan falls short of confiscation. Their plan is for national standards of gun control with an emphasis on semi-automatic weapons.
Not sure what you are trying to prove here Tom the operation was successful in infiltrating the cartel? The drug dealers can't get weapons any other way? In any case it was a Bush era operationQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That is a fallacy the Obots are trying to spread. The gun walker program was a small operation conducted with the consent of the Mexican government. When they found that the guns could not be tracked as well as they had thought they immediately ended the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
F&F was conducted without the Mexican govt knowledge on a much larger scale. There is no comparison between the 2 operations.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
For the purposes of THIS conversation there is ONE, and ONLY one comparison that's germane... And that is, NEITHER George W. Bush OR Barack Obama ordered them, or KNEW about them...
Your attempts to label EVERY misstep this president makes, as some grand conspiracy, takes the spotlight OFF the misstep and puts it on your sides wackyness.
excon
Did you miss the Bush years?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Don't miss them at all
I didn't ask you and the word, I said "did" not "do" and the meaning is did you fail to notice people like ex pouncing on EVERY Bush misstep?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Back to the OP for a second, even CNN is concluding the White House tried to cover up something on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya.
Of course some of us realize that's SOP for this administration, lies and coverups.
The question is unknown how high up the ranks the approval went . I suspect at least ;despite the rather suspicious IG's investigation ,that Holder at least knew much more... and since it was across borders ,I'd be surprised if Evita did not have input.
Unconfirmed but credible evidence that Libyan 'rebels '/ jihadists are being recruited to take up arms with the 'Free Syria Army'. Speculation is that part of the cover-up is that Obama doesn't want the connection made between the recruited rebels and the attack on Ambassador Stevens .Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Also ;the President and advisors like Samantha Power want to keep the policy of R2P credible ;and if it is proven that we assisted anti-American jihadists in regime change in Libya ,the policy would be thoroughly discredited .
Eli Lake is still on the job. Turns out there were two bombings at the Benghazi consulate this year prior to the 9/11 terrorist attack, and "increasing threats to and attacks on the Libyan nationals hired to provide security at the U.S. missions in Tripoli and Benghazi."
Yep, that 9/11 attack was purely "spontaneous."
Heard him on an interview this week. He has the goods but is only releasing what he knows when he has multiple confirmation of his information.
The Slimes is revealing tidbits of the truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/wo...pagewanted=all
But the dots have not been connected yet... the CIA presence in Benghazi... the attack on the compound (especially the safe house )... and the recruiting of jihadists for war against the Assad regime in Syria.
I guess multiple confirmation is a bad thing.
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