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Come on we talk in generalities here. Real life is not as simple or broadbrushed as you paint it. I have agreed with the reporting of crime and abuse, I do not agree with reporting every abortion as a crime, or an abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yet you, if they report a crime would force them to have the baby anyway, so what's your point? You get the perp, but NOT help the victim?
Well it didn't happen like that at all, that's why we don't get it:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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The Phoenix case began in 1998 when the girl, whose name has been withheld by AP, had an abortion at a Planned Parenthood clinic accompanied by her 23-year-old foster brother, with whom she was having a sexual relationship.
Clearly these are not normal cases. They certainly messed up on notification of parents but to say this is normal preditory operations is certainly not correct.Quote:
Gault had allegedly hidden a runaway girl, now 15, in the house he shared, Hugh Hefner-style, with two other girlfriends (ages 26 and 40 and also charged with crimes arising from the incident). He had gotten the teenager pregnant and procured an abortion for her on May 1 at a Planned Parenthood clinic in West Hartford.
What's my point? Anyone that would neglect to report suspected sexual abuse of a child is the scum of the earth.
Thanks but I'll watch them more closely now to correct them.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Like the catholic church for example?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Bahahahahahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And your point is??Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I haven't seen a thread of yours (or of conservatives) calling the catholic church the scum of the earth. And they have been the cause of far more cases of sexual abuses of children that PP ever will.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I believe one would call that an argument from ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I believe this is called wishful thinking.Quote:
And they have been the cause of far more cases of sexual abuses of children that PP ever will.
So far you've managed nothing but fallacies in attempting to "correct" me.
Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We can start comparing numbers if you wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'm not certain you understand what a fallacious argument is.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My pleasure. You said "I haven't seen a thread of yours (or of conservatives) calling the catholic church the scum of the earth."Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Your ignorance of what we've said on the subject is a poor argument, not to mention a fallacy.
Please do.Quote:
We can start comparing numbers if you wish.
LOL, I just pointed out two of yours.Quote:
I'm not certain you understand what a fallacious argument is.
Do you have two different sets of standards?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Do you still refer to yourself as a catholic?
Red Herring.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I have never been a Catholic.Quote:
Do you still refer to yourself as a catholic?
I don't believe Steve ever claimed to be catholic . As for me... I wrote of my past participation in a group called Voice of the Faithful . I was on board with their agenda until they expanded it to a radical agenda beyond accountablility for the sex abuse scandals .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ch-326891.html
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ch-461571.html
For the record I have stated I am a Baptist to Needkarma himself after a similar diversion. But that was an irrelevant question to begin with.
I guess we'll give the priests a pass then. Understood.
I believe they call that fallacy "poisoning the well." I think that's your favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Poisoning the well - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Nope, not even close; but it is in fact a favorite tactic of pretty much all threads in the Current Events board.
Um yes, I am exactly right and so far you're batting .000 in your "corrections." Time to move on.
Typical right-wing tactic: repeating a falsehood over and over to try to make it a fact.
Just another red herring. I can do this all day but I'd rather get back to the subject.
Also, poisoning the well again.
These Current Event threads always go off in varying directions. Just waiting for the baseball pool chats.
I've got a very large website deployment coming up so have at 'er.
It's not a pool, it's a fantasy league and you'd be welcome to join.
Hello wingers:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Looks to me like Ted Nugent is bashing everybody. I thought you guys were the ones who're going to be nice.. No, huh?
excon
I never said the right is always nice, but good luck getting Ted to shut up. I certainly don't think he said anything worthy of a Secret Service visit.
Sadly I think some nut may take his BS seriously, like the NUT who killed those abortion doctors, empowered by BS rhetoric like this. I think you are supposed to keep a serious eye on somebody who shoots his mouth off about death, dying, killing, and chopping some ones head off. Ignore these fools is what makes them dangerous. Left or right makes no difference.
Oh brother, can we get a little more dramatic?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well ignore it, and disregard the concerns of any ideas that don't line up with your own like you usually do. Isolate yourself in your own ideology all you want, just don't tell me what I do or how I do it, and expect any sympathy because I have none. But when my side succeeds, so will you!
Dude, even the article states it "could also be interpreted as a threat to kill himself, if you ask us." Ted is not stupid, he knows you can't threaten the president and we have better things to do than speculate on what he meant. Howard Dean was quite clear on the other hand.
P.S. I am not better off than I was 4 years ago and if your side "succeeds" we're in for much, much worse.
I am, since those tax cuts have helped a lot! What didn't you get yours?
Oh boy!! The government returns some of the money they shouldn't have taken in the 1st place and you think they are giving you something...
Imagine is Bush had done it, you'd be singing a different for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I was in favor of a flat tax during the Bush years ;as I am today.
Makes no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It can be taken three possible ways.
One of those ways constitutes a credible threat.
Tut
I have an idea that I know what he meant. And there are many that agree with him. He is worried about the position that this government has been taking against gun owners. Ted is adament about the second amendment and he enjoys the freedoms his fame can bring him. He lives in the shadows of his NRA predisessor Charlton Heston. A great and longtime spokesperson for the NRA at large.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What IS the position of the government that scares you 2nd amendment warriors?
When the government wants to take all guns from private hands. Then everyone should be worried. It's the second amendment that protects all the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why do you fear that's going to happen? When?
"shall not be infringed " should be unambiguous enough... even for the "living breathing " crowd .
Federalist . 28 ,Hamilton states that when a government betrays the people by becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise their right of self defense ,against the government
Federalist 29,Hamilton explained that an armed citizenry was the best and only real defense against a standing army that becomes oppressive.
Federalist 46,Madison states that ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people had the right to armed resistance.
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