Mitt will never change the business model, and every time he raids a pension fund, the government is on the hook.
Still haven't looked at the tax plans have you? And just who are these lazy people you righties hate so much? How many are there?
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Mitt will never change the business model, and every time he raids a pension fund, the government is on the hook.
Still haven't looked at the tax plans have you? And just who are these lazy people you righties hate so much? How many are there?
Brother, W tried to change the business model for retirement and the country had a conniption fit. Meanwhile, our $2.6 trillion dollar Social Security "trust fund" doesn't exist at all, while Obama has made sure certain union pension funds got taken care of. So, let's talk about raiding pension funds.
Not all companies are worth saving . And I won't be put into a position of supporting Mittens yet.
Except from the ignorant comments of Perry and Newt about his Bain years.
I take the few companies he dismantled and raise you Staples and Home Depot... and the Salt Lake City Olympics.. . and many many others .
http://americaneedsmitt.com/blog/201...ed-many-lives/
For now I'm still on the Santorum bandwagon
Though I called it for Mitt I'm still hopeful for Santorum. But I'd vote for a tree stump before I'd vote for Obama.
So... Obama just trashed and broke the law with unconstitutional appointments made when the house and senate were NOT in recess...
Compared to that... everything else is minor.
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Hi Smoothy,
This begs the obvious question. Why haven't the appoint been made null and void? You don't have judicial review?
Tut
The Congress is actually taking the initial steps required to do just that right now. Its not going unchallenged.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Its Clear Obama thinks he is above the law and not subject to the restrictions in the Constitution.
He's going to declare martial law or appoint himself Emperor before the next election and the dimwit liberals would support him doing it. Because he believes he is a god and entitled to do as he wishes.
Hello smoothy:
Our beloved Constitution says the president may make recess appointments... The Republican congress IS in recess, but in order to THWART the Constitution, they PRETEND they're IN session by declaring it open and closed within 30 seconds...
That's what's happening...
Now, if you BELIEVE in the Constitution, like you wingers PURPORT to do, then you wouldn't go for the okee doak the Republicans are putting over the country...
However, if you Pick which parts of the Constitution you like, which is what you wingers do, then you can PRETEND along with your congressmen, that they're in session. That's part of the right wing insanity this thread is about.
But, don't think you're fooling anybody.. Certainly, the president isn't fooled, cause he made his Constitutionally required appointments.
excon
It will be reviewed when someone makes a formal complaint, and outrage to the press doesn't count.
Back to Romney, I think its perfectly fair to get facts to go along with all the bombs being thrown so we can see how this free capitalism is working, given the collapse of the economy that the banks and wall street have put us through.
Wonder why his tax return is so unavailable? Lots of questions to be asked. Lots of answers and facts to be considered. And since when is asking questions a matter of ENVY. That's class warfare talk.
Hi Ex,Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
If that's what's in the Constitution says then I guess it's open to debate. By that I mean the word,'recess' can have a number of meanings. If you want to claim to be in recess while the benches are still occupied then you could mount an argument for that.
Perhaps another job for SCOTUS?
Tut
Actually it's a result of special rules the congress enacts to block what they don't like. Sort of like the filibuster rule where instead of actually pontificating to block legislation, they just hand in a declaration to filibuster, that shows intent but no actions, and they go play golf, or move on to lunch. Both sides use it, or have. That's why the prez is challenging this technical BS!
They could have voted MONTHS ago, and done away with the lazy parlor tricks.
Obama's Dept of Justice said yesterday it was perfectly legal. He does it then has his lawyers say it's OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Ex, the Senate lawfully makes its own rules. If the Senate says they're in session, they're in session. Doesn't matter if it's 30 seconds or 30 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Where I live, the Constitution TRUMPS the Senate rules.
excon
... and it's Congress' Constitutional power to defund the entire Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
BTW ; the Holder Justice Dept . Argued that pro-forma sessions are legitimately session of the Senate and a legitimate procedure to prevent recess apts.
Who in the Justice Dept made the argument ? Yup ;then Solicitor General,and now Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan .
http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdfQuote:
“the Senate may act to foreclose [recess appointments] by declining to recess for more than two or three days at a time over a lengthy period.”
Look ;I've said it before that the recess provision of the Constitution is a provision from the horse and buggy day when it took time to muster all the members of the Senate for a vote.
But the provision is there and pro-forma sessions are legitimate moves that both parties have used to prevent the President's use of recess appointments (Kagan cites the pro-forma sessions held by Reid in 2007 when Bush was President).
I already gave the remedy of defunding the agency... But,I'd love to see SCOTUS review the case . I wonder if the left would be upset if Kagan recused herself from that case ?
Yeah.. they issued that opinion TWO DAYS AFTER Obama did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And wasn't this the same Justice dept that was supplying the Mexican Drug cartels with Weapons in "Fast and Furious"?
Besides Eric Holder isn't the final word, and he's as corrupt as Hugo Chavez is.
The constitution doesn't give Obama unlimited power... in fact it REQUIRES the Congress to be in actual recess before nObama could make a recess appointment... and it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Liberals don't care about those things... unless it's the OTHER party in office. They think they are special and the rules and laws don't apply to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama is their Messiah... and mans laws don't apply to a god.
Just pointing out the Obama regime's idea of "legal".Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
He challenged the status quo, GOOD! Why NOT? I would to with those bunch of morons. The idiots couldn't raise the debt ceiling, couldn't meet the super committee dead line, and tried to hold the middle class tax cuts hostage.
They are a do nothing congress and where faking it, I mean the fools couldn't even show up to do there jobs, like they don't have to.
UM, I believe it is the constitution that gives them the right to make their own rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Section 5 - Membership, Rules, Journals, Adjournment
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Tal
You make it sound like raising the debt ceiling is a good thing . The debt already surpassed the GDP... Is there any point where you would say we can't spend any more ?
By the way, WaPo, certainly no friend to Republicans, gave Newt's Bain movie Four Pinocchios. It doesn't get any more dishonest than that for the WaPo Fact Checkers.
Newt should know better .It's one thing for looney lefties in California buying into the trope that Boxer spun about Fiorina ;and I can see the President mobilizing the Occupier shock troops and plastering ads all across the nation comparing Mittens to Gordon Gecko... But shame on any Republic who uses the same tactics. If their understanding of capitalism is so wanting that they don't know the value of venture capital and private equity in business growth and our overall economy , then they can go join the Dems.
Lets see if you like it when the next president who will be a Republican does it... since if its OK for Obama, its OK for every other president to do in the future... INCLUDING Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Smoothy, I have survived many republican presidents, governors, legistlatures and mayors, and their policies, and no doubt, GOD willing, I will survive even more, (I do live in TEXAS), NO BIG THANG, cause I do what I do no matter what they say. Republican, Democrat, Consevative, Progressive, it doesn't matter.
I like keeping you righties jacked up because you take any view but your own as a call to the devil, and gloom, and doom. Oh woes is YOU. When the sky falls on my head then I will say ouch, but I ain't going to run in a circle looking for a reasson to cry about it. Until that happens, I thrive, and survive, and do my thing. Please bury me when I'm done.
Need help coping with reality, be glad to, its free, just ask, as you know, I am a people person, but its factually incorrect that THIS president caused all this crap you complain about, it's been happening for more than 30 YEARS! And sorry, Ain't no saviors on the right either! Hell, Ain't none on the left! Save your own a$$, or forever hold your peace, just sayin'
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Originally Posted by tomder55
I think Supreme Court Justices should not be affiliated to any party . That way there is no agenda to muddle up decisions. We are founding Fathers divided so greatly by partisan politics?? No and look what they created.
Tom when you say the debt exceeds the GDP is that because GDP has fallen, or has not kept pace with the growth needed to ensure a strong economy. The two things are not connected other than an indication used by rating agencies of the nation's ability to pay its debts. The question of whether you spend more is what your politicians are there for, to make reasoned decisions, to balance the budget, or find ways of reducing debt. That they seem incapable of this is unfortunateQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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