If you're going to debate me at least keep it to facts in evidence, not manufactured bullsh*t. Put words in your own mouth, not ours please.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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If you're going to debate me at least keep it to facts in evidence, not manufactured bullsh*t. Put words in your own mouth, not ours please.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
History is nice but current effects are the reality. Watching others being devastated and debating it doesn't help anyone who needs food, water, or a roof over there heads. Known fact that righties vote against assisting fellow Americans, until it's their turn to suffer. Then they holler long and hard for help, like anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We don't have to go that far back in history to see that, just start with the dying from Katrina and track responses of our elected leaders.
If "mother nature" does it.. its not the fault of man.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If man could control the weather... then why haven't you been doing it until now?
What are you talking about ?The US military was on the scene immediately providing assistance and much of the rest of the confusion was local response ;which by all accounts was dismal. The point of the spear is the local response . The Feds responded to Katrina at about the same efficiency and timeframe as they did for Sandy . You just have a convenient memory and won't hold your own dear leader to the same standards you held Bush .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I guess you guys are not as self reliant as you say and depend on government whenever your teat is in the wringer like the rest of us dependents.
Not me... I haven't gotten a government handout of any sort I haven't even collected an unemployment check in 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'd be a lot better off if I got to keep my entire paycheck and invested it where I want it invested.
I agree because of course you would invest in a road to get to your job so you can collect all your paycheck. Or pipes to keep the crapper from backing up in your house. Or the lights, and internet.
In other words, damned if we do and damned if we don't in your world.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
In my world view assistance is dependent on actual need, not political wish lists and unworkable utopian ideals. I give, you take.
I don't know where you live... but where I have always lived the water pipes aren't owned by or even the responsibility of the Federal or State Government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Your water and sewer bill pay the local water and sewage authorities... and it's their responsibilities to maintain.
President Bush didn't push Hurricane Katrina through Congress without a single vote from the other party. And, Global-warmist superstitions notwithstanding, Katrina was a natural disaster, not a man-caused one.
Best of the Web Today: Katrina and ObamaCare - WSJ.com
Me too, its called a safety net.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
But Smoothie, you blame EVERYTHING on Obama, even if your local government is responsible. Which no doubt gets federal money. Maybe not your town.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Comparing Obama to Bush is wishful thinking and false hope at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama HAS actually made things worse for almost everyone... not just accused him of like the left did with Bush... Obama DREAMS of getting back to Bushes worst year... because it would be a huge improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
This is what happens when a complete idiot manages to get elected. Disaster soon follows. Anywhere and anytime it happens. BS doesn't work when the buck stops at your desk.
Yes we noted the outcome during the Bush yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Every thinking person in the USA longs for things to get back to the way they were under Bush... when vast numbers of people actually had jobs, and not just any job...but Full time jobs... and poverty was significantly lower than it is now as a result of Obamas "Destroy business" campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You are forgetting the GFC started under Bush, that he is responsible for the job losses. What you wanted was a President with a majic wand and all you got was a President who is off with the fairiesQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Many of us knew Obama was a charlatan long before he ever got elected. It's the suckers that are finally coming to grasp this now that thought he was some sort of Messiah before.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Bush got stuck with a recession that started under Clinton... dealt with 9/11 that happened as a result of Clinton... and despite all that turned them around.
The economy the day he left office was better than it ever was under Obama... and Obama's recession was due to his anti-business policies and actions. No smart business owner would risk their capital in an environment as hostile towards business as this one is. Obama wanted a recession based on his actions... well he got it... he should be proud of it... instead of blaming it on others.
Was he perfect... nope, but he at least had a good grasp of things and got advisers that actually were good at their specialties... instead of surrounding himself with halfwits that were yes-men so his fragile ego wasn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by smoothy
You now have the second term malaise, they all have it, Clinton got Monica, Bush got the GFC, and BO will have QEIII
Just a reminder, if you like your light bulbs you can't keep your light bulbs.
Time to Stock Up on Incandescent Bulbs Before They Go Out Permanently
Don't worry we went through the same process about 10 years ago. Some people didn't like the new bulbs so they brought in halogen bulbs. Very similar in terms of shape and performance to the old incandescent bulbs.
We've had halogen for ages but what they keep telling us to use are those expensive CFLs that at my house have never lasted much longer than incandescents and are a toxic hazard to dispose of. The issue is choice, stop mandating our choices.
I have a fair amt of 3 way bulbs in reserve . I'll go blind using CFLs . Eventually LEDs will replace them all ... because of consumer preference, not government mandates.
No Tom don't you know they become brighter, but if you want more light go to a higher rating. You are just cheapskating on the environmentQuote:
I'll go blind using CFLs
sorry there is potential for ultraviolet UV damage to the eyes .
no more than ordinary flouro and they have been around for a long time, do what I do and wear UV tinted lenses. life is too short, you know, to be concerned about every little inconvenience. One day we will reverse all this greenie rubbish but in the mean time these lamps reduce the cost of operation
LEDs are greener, brighter, last longer, and don't strobe like flouros. Households with migraine sufferers don't have to mess with the mercury hand grenades.
Stole this from parttime in the Electrical Forum.
What You Need to Know About the Lightbulb Law - Popular Mechanics
I'm staying away from CFLs .I don't want to call in a hazmat team to clean up a broken bulb.
Do they grow wimps over there or what?
I've been underwelmed by the LED lights I've seen and tried so far... that is likely to change in time, but right now they suck In my opinion. I do have CFL's in my house and have since they came out... meaning more than 17 years... because I like bright lights and it cuts my electric bill down.
The CFL's don't bother my eyes...
Don't worry smoothy next he will tell you they enduce skin cancer, I spent most of my life under flouros and now I have a nice batch of kerotisis. can't say if it is flouro's or the relentless sunshine in these climes
I can believe they do bother some people... as they do flicker (if you've done video work you would know that very well) and some people are more sensitive to that than others. I do also know that certain eye conditions can be agrivated by bright fluorescent lights. They don't bother me but they do my wife somewhat.
If you spend a lot of time outdoors in a dry climate where you have a LOT of sun... I'd say that's the larger issue of the two. Some people in the American South West tend to have similar isses.
The progressive narrative is that energy-saving bulbs are better. Therefore the others bulbs should be illegal... as if energy saving is the only consideration when people decide which light bulb to use. Instead of leaving the choice to the consumer ,they know what's best for us and top down decide for us which bulbs can be sold on the market . To them it's not so much as a choice,but who gets to decide . Here is a quick guide to their thinking . 'Everything I don't like must be banned . Everything I do like is a human right. '
You have two years or so to hoard the inefficient light bulbs you love so much before the old technology is phased out. Don't complain about your energy costs until then either. I am surprised you aren't making your own candles Tom, or have a horse in the barn to get you to work. You like horses don't you?
yeah and whale oil too. You don't see too many of them around do you ? Wanna know why ? hint .it had nothing to do with a ban on whale oil lamps .The people decided in the free market that electric light was better . If your CFLs were so great then they could compete and dominate the market on their own and a gvt ban wouldn't be required .
The free market would let us drink coca cola with cocaine in it. Stop worrying and go buy as many bulbs as you can. Home depot still has them in abundance. How many do you need for a lifetime? I'll send you mine.
nope that horse is already out of the barn .My preference was 100W . Those are already gone.
I guess things are a little dim in you house Tom, for all sorts of reasons. Have you heard of light tubes they are very effective in bringing light into a darkened space
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