I would call it abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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I would call it abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yeah, dissent is messy. But, as long as it's peaceful, it's legal, no?
excon
That's it? Nothing else? Not tragic, extreme, normal, no big deal, not worth discussing, irrelevant, troubling, slightly bothersome... nothing? Nearly 50 million children dead, gone, not given the slightest chance at living, loving, being loved, contributing to society and it's just "abortions?"Quote:
Originally Posted by cozyk
At someone's home? Legally it sounds like harassment to me. You're OK with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
On a public street?? You betcha. Like I said, freedom is messy.
excon
Still sounds like harassment to me. Are you OK with the White House suppressing dissent on its "stimulus" projects as part of the administration's "transparency" policy?
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Following OMB’s review, the Administration has decided to make a number of changes to the rules that we think make them even tougher on special interests and more focused on merits-based decision making.
First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.
Anything which restricts the power of the lobbyist is OK with me. There is nothing more secretive to the american people than backroom deals done with lobbyists for the lobbyists selfish interests - Well Done Obama admin!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:
You call lobbying dissent?? Dude!! They should be shot!
excon
Dudes, your knees are jerking. Who likes lobbyists? You skipped right over the highlighted portion, "we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons."
Oh no, my knees are jerking! What will I do??
I didn't read one sentence, I read the whole thing, maybe you should too.
The ACLU opposes this move by Obama for the reason Steve mentions ;it's infringment on 1st amendment rights.
You think that these rules only apply to "lobbiest" you oppose ? It also applies to anyone or any interest group petitioning the gvt. About the recovery act.
You really shouldn't assume so much, NK. I have read the whole thing, and it says they're going to go beyond restricting oral communications on stimulus projects by lobbyists and apply it to "all persons," which means everyone. They're especially going to focus on restricting oral communications regarding "merit-based decision-making." The White House doesn't want us discussing which proposed projects have any merit. Last I checked it was still a free country and I have the right to orally discuss with our government officials how they plan on spending my money. This White House apparently thinks otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
See? I've told you before even the ACLU gets it right sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
To the heart of the matter... was John Brown a hero or murderous villain ?Quote:
Hello again, tom:
There is a difference between REPORTING and WHIPPING people into a frenzy.
Neither YOU, nor the loons at Fox noise know the difference.
Excon
PS> This is reporting?? O'Reilly compared Tiller to a Nazi, called him a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day"... He's pathetic!
Here is wikipedia's account of the investigation surrounding Brown's Harper Ferry raid .
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On December 14, 1859, the U.S. Senate appointed a bipartisan committee to investigate the Harpers Ferry raid and to determine whether any citizens contributed arms, ammunition or money. The Democrats attempted to implicate the Republicans in the raid; the Republicans tried to disassociate themselves from Brown and his acts.
The Senate committee heard testimony from 32 witnesses, including Liam Dodson, one of the surviving abolitionists. The report, authored by chairman James M. Mason, a pro-slavery politician from Virginia, was published in June, 1860. It found no direct evidence of a conspiracy, but implied that the raid was a result of Republican doctrines. The two committee Republicans published a minority report, but were apparently more concerned about denying Northern culpability than clarifying the nature of Brown's efforts. Certainly the 1860 Republican Presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln of Illinois, echoed his party's view when he called Brown a delusional fanatic who was justly hanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)
Brown was the product of the bloody battles over the issue of slavery in the territories west of the Mississippi. Ironically like Roe v Wade ;SCOTUS laid waste to the legislative solution by ruling against the Missouri Compromise in the Dredd Scott decision
saying that Congress did not have the authority to prohibit slavery in the territories.
Predictably, the vocal left has chosen to ignore Obama's call for "fair minded words" in the abortion debate. In addition to blaming Bill O'Reilly as Tom noted, the Huffpoers are going spastic over the murder of Dr. Tiller.
Cristina Page claims this is a "foreshadowing" of things to come. Now that we have a pro-abortion president in the White House those anti-abortion terrorist "sleeper cells" have been activated just like during the Clinton years.
How quickly the left forgets their own hate-filled rhetoric and that the majority of domestic terrorist incidents in this country are perpetrated by environmentalists and animal rights groups.Quote:
During the entire Bush administration, from 2000-2008 there were no murders.
During the Clinton era, between 1994-2000 there were 6 abortion providers and clinic staff murdered, and 17 attempted murders of abortion providers. There were 12 bombings or arsons during the Clinton years.
During the Bush administration, not only were there no murders, there were no attempted murders. There was one clinic bombing during the Bush years.
One can only conclude that like terrorist sleeper cells, these extremists have now been set in motion. Indeed the evidence is already there. The chatter, the threats, the hate-filled rhetoric are abundant.
Not to be outdone, Shannyn Moore writes of Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism.
Funny that she should choose Adkisson as her poster child, Huffpo previously noted he "was a loner." Hardly a part of some "Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist movement.Quote:
It's shocking to write. But it's time to start calling it what it is.
When Jim D. Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church with 76 rounds and a shot-gun, he killed 2 people and was charged with murder. His motive was "he hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays." He should have been charged with terrorism.
Sunday George Tiller, a Wichita doctor, was killed INSIDE the lobby of his Wichita church. Reformation Lutheran Church became a crime scene; fundamentalist terrorism.
The right wing media hacks make targets of the left. The fundamentalist reverends blather their intolerance of other Americans. Their marriages are in jeopardy if the GLBT community can walk down an aisle. Their children are going to be molested if you have to rent to a same sex couple. Fear... fear... fear the queer.
Bill O'Reilly's hit piece on Dr. Tiller is a training tape for Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists. Never did he ask the woman interviewed how she, as a 13 year old, got pregnant, who was the father, or where her parents were when she underwent an abortion at Dr. Tiller's clinic. I'm sure O'Reilly's drivel will insist on personal accountability for the murderer. I'm sure he won't be in line for any "accountability" for calling the doctor "Tiller the baby-killer" or his clinic a "death mill."
Are anti-choice groups celebrating today? An abortion doctor is dead so women won't have unwanted pregnancies!
The "war on terror" needs to include domestic religious, fundamentalist terrorists.
Who is next?
No Ms. Moore, "Pro-life" groups are not celebrating today, they are in one accord condemning this tragic, senseless loss of life as are so-called "right-wing hate sites" like Hotair, Michellemalkin.com and LGF. There are no "Pro-life" groups, churches - fundamentalist Christian or not - that call for or advocate violence against abortion providers, supporters or gays. We're all intelligent enough to realize that would be entirely inconsistent with our cause, why aren't you?
Ms. Moore and Ms. Page, you are the ones spreading fear, fear, fear.
Back to the topic (coolest President).
How cool is it to have a food taster like the kings of yor ?
I suppose it is probably Secret Service SOP to make sure that Obama doesn't get a dose of dioxin like Viktor Yushenko got when he pi$$ed off Putin ;or even worse ,Polonium-210 did in Alexander Litvinenko. In fact ;President Bush also had a taste tester when he went overseas... but he was hated by all so it had to be a greater concern... right ?
Even though Obama again dissed French President Nicolas Sarkozy by turning down a dinner invitation; it is hard to believe he would arrange a bad serving of Vichyssoise or Foie gras in retaliation.
Barack and Michelle Obama decline dinner with the Sarkozys - Times Online
The need to have a taste tester was supposedly only imperitive if Evita became VP . So it was a bit of a surprise to the French chefs when the Obama's had their food tasted before they dined at the La Fontaine de Mars in Paris.
President Obama's French food tested by 'taster'
For those obsessed with the Obamas menu selection ( I admit it is becoming a hobby) . He ate roast lamb and everyone else ate beef filets) .
It is not clear if his food taster accompanied him and VP Biden to Ray's Hell Burger.
Perhaps there's more to it than just being dissed by Sarkozy. Maybe he just wasn't in the mood for schmoozing after hearing the EU is still taking a rightward swing.
In yet another sign of his coolness, Obama is apparently the first Sesame Street president.
Hello again,
Come on guys... You got to admit, he IS the coolest pres we've ever had.
I understand, though. You guys think Pat Boone is cool.
excon
Nice linkage !
I wondered why he picked Charles Rivkin ,a former President and COO of Jim Hensen Company ,as ambassador to France.
As far as the food tasting thing. Wouldn't it be better if he carried his own MREs on field trips ? I'm sure they come in Wagyu beef.
Obama is cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
However, I also think my 74-year-old grandmother, who works 10-12 hour days, is cool too. But I wouldn't want her running our country.
Pat Boone was a contemporary of Elvis. He was recording R&B and gospel about the same time Elvis did. But he changed his style and went the way of Bobby Darin.
I will always think Elvis was the best although my preferences are the Beatles and early 70s rock bands.
Pat who?
He's not just cool, he's ‘sort of God.’
OK, no more whining when we call him The One or Messiah.
He's one of the very few commercially successful 50s pop artist who has not been inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame. Perhaps his politics has something to do with it ? Naaahhhaaa.
My own opinion is that he never really improved on the music he performed . People generally do not remember his versions of Little Richard or Fats Domino songs. Elvis also borrowed heavily from R&B artists ,as did the early Beatles. But their versions of the songs endure.
For my money the most original of the early white rock and rollers was Buddy Holly ,who also heavily influenced the Beatles.
So is your God, Rush Limbaugh: Smooth Operator - Rush Limbaugh Challenges God to DebateQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Give it up NK . You never see any of us on the right even quote Rush let alone cream in our pants like Evan Thomas or Chris Matthews do when genuflecting to Obama .
Edit . Just did some research and saw this was a sarcastic blog a couple of days after Rush evidently challenged Obama to a debate. I guess it's funny??
Whatever turns you on...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
ROFL, turn on your satire detector if you can find it. Do you also get your news from The Onion?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Insult, counter insult, insult , counter insult, insult...
Maybe I can pass this along here. It fits the thread.
AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
By Lou Pritchett
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
Note: Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.
Mr. Pritchett confirmed that he was indeed the author of the much-circulated "open letter." “I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it. However, it hit the internet and according to the 'experts' has had over 500,000 hits.
Hello gal:
That guy scares ME! He sounds like he's going to DO something about it. That wouldn't be very American now, would it?
excon
I guess he is your God now. I'm glad you found someone who shares your views. It matters not that Mr. Obama has penned three books I guess, has Mr. Protchett read them? Remember, lawyers are vastly underpaid!
I like this guy's responses:
Conservative Propaganda Email is a Case Study in Disinformation | the daily mull
Lou Pritchett on Obama: Formative Years, Meeting a Payroll, Military Experience, and "Class" | the daily mull
Lou Pritchett Thinks that True Americans Have No Class | the daily mull
Lou Pritchett Tries to Mislead Us on Deregulation, Health Care, and "Wind Mills" | the daily mull
Lou Pritchett's Open Letter Lies about Capitalism and Patriotism, Obama, and Spending, | the daily mull
So why not diffuse the rumors, rather than imply that the author is a terrorist? Show me what's wrong about his statements and provide evidence to back up what you've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't like Obama either; I hold the same views as in that letter. Doesn't mean I'm going to run to the White House with a gun.
Read the post above yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by this8384
You mean this kook? He scares the living day lights out of me.
Lou Pritchett - Speaker Profile
The one that charges $7,500. To $15,000. Per speaking engagement?
Half of the stuff that scares him is just his opinion. You know what they say about those.
The links you provided...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Are just as biased as the letter they're denouncing.Quote:
One problem with the right-wing.. .
Hello this:Quote:
Originally Posted by this8384
I couldn't have said it better than this guy did, and I copied it from NK's list. It's just the beginning, but you kind of get the gist of it:
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You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
So here we go:
"to kill the American capitalist goose"
Apparently Pritchett has not been paying attention this last year. It's his Republican cronies that have almost killed that Goose—whichever way you look at it: whether by "deregulating" until the economy was almost dead, or by bailouts that put the government in charge of banks.
Obama, at every turn, has been trying to keep the goose from committing suicide.
"the American capitalist goose"
You've got to give him credit for this one—it's really slick. Notice how he ties "American" to "capitalist", as though there were something about it in the constitution.
The truth is, of course, that presidents from Jefferson to Lincoln and beyond have warned this country about the dangers, to America, of unbridled capitalism and giant corporations.
There is a difference between a free market and a market dominated by multinational corporations. But it's conservative policy to constantly conflate the two, and then pretend that the combination is somehow patriotic.
"the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world."
This is also nicely done. It's such a big claim, and yet it's buried so deeply in the structure of the sentence.
You're not supposed to notice this claim at all, consciously. You're supposed to assume it's true without really thinking about it.
And, if you do think about it, he's wrapped the idea completely in the flag—so that you won't question it.
Wouldn't it be unbelievably unpatriotic to ask, even for a moment, whether Americans really do have the highest standard of living in the world?
Actually it wouldn't be. In fact, it would be classy of us to admit that we didn't, if that were the fact.
And it is.
There are a great many ways to calculate "standard of living" but under almost any objective system, the U.S. does not rank first, or even second, or third. That's just the truth.
The door you just heard slamming was Pritchett giving up on me an an America-hater—for admitting the truth.
We do rank pretty high, by the way—anywhere from 6th to 17th (and that's out of a lot of countries). Just not highest. But of course admitting that would be un-American to Pritchett, because guys like him don't think that it's patriotic to tell the truth.
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excon
Thanks for posting theses links. Very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
My issue with that response is that it was clearly written by someone who has something against Republicans. I didn't go deep enough to find out if the guy is a journalist or columnist, but this is the exact reason that media is supposed to be non-biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Shame on him and shame on all the others who feel their political stance should be a public affair, whether they support Obama or Bush. Republican or Democrat, personal political views have no place in journalism - as we've all seen over the last century, it's far too easy to start playing favorites and not a single person on this board can honestly state otherwise.
Well Lou is a retired executive on the public speaking circuit and the response to his "public letter" is from a blogger refuting his erroneous points and fear mongering. There's really no media involved here. Personally I watch Fox News for clear unbiased news.
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