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I'll give you the EXACT quote from his speech and not a slanted fact check
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There can't be incitement when you are telling people to go peacefully
Then, after whipping them up for hours before that (as I noted in bold in my post), when advised to do so, he grudgingly threw out the word "peacefully" ONCE. I quoted that plea (???) for peace in my post before yours. Please read!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Perhaps you can show us in this quote where there was a call for violence or insurrection?Quote:
“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”
Even the biased people writing that article know a metaphor when they see one.Quote:
He continued with the fighting metaphors:
I guess this means we cannot count you among those who are waiting for the evidence to make up their minds?Quote:
I guess we'll see as the investigation proceeds and if repubs can keep protecting this lying cheating out of control bully yet again.
Too little too late. The insurrection had already begun.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We teachers know they weren't metaphors; they were similes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Good that you're waiting for evidence to make up your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
In other words, you can't.Quote:
Too little too late. The insurrection had already begun.
Wrong. Didn't you read your own post? "He continued with the fighting metaphors."Quote:
We teachers know they weren't metaphors; they were similes.
Trump was trying to calm down the mob. He was too late. He'd already whipped them into a frenzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I was quoting the writer (Amy Sherman) and didn't change anything SO I WOULDN'T BE ACCUSED OF NOT POSTING CORRECTLY. The writer incorrectly used the word metaphor instead of simile.Quote:
Wrong. Didn't you read your own post? "He continued with the fighting metaphors."
Says you.Quote:
He'd already whipped them into a frenzy.
Are you confused? So was I!! And metaphor is the correct term. In the quote you posted there were both similes and metaphors.Quote:
I was quoting the writer
He isn't blind but still cannot see.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Please list them.Quote:
Are you confused? So was I!! And metaphor is the correct term. In the quote you posted there were both similes and metaphors.
Sez the woman who has no evidence.Quote:
He isn't blind but still cannot see.
List them? As the author of the piece noted, the use of "fight" was clearly metaphorical. For instance, this quote " and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight," was plainly a reference to republican congressmen who wouldn't "fight" for Trump. It obviously is not referring to physically fighting. Understand?
Might add that, as I have said many times, I am no supporter of Trump, but fair is fair. You cannot place any great blame on Trump for 1/6.
You have no idea what metaphorical means, do you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
He was lying as he always does and you cannot discount his glee at watching the mob storm the capital according to his own people in sworn testimony before the 1/6 committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I know that quote and knew it before you referenced it . That is all well and good and I agree came too late after the riot began. It shows poor leadership on his part and nothing else. The fact is that he in no way directed them to storm the Capitol . There were other agitators from outside organizations ,and I suspect inside the FBI .Quote:
I quoted that plea (???) for peace in my post before yours. Please read!!!
I wont bother wasting my time to document all the times that the Democrats have used words like "fight " . One of my favorites was when Schmucky thretened a whirlwind would be released on SCOTUS justices . Or the time Maxine Waters tried inciting a mob to violence .
Rep. Waters on Trump administration: 'Tell them they’re not welcome' - YouTube
Schumer accused of threatening Kavanaugh and Gorsuch during rally - YouTube
So you tell me where the line is between inflammatory political rhetoric and inciting violence .
A very good point and in this case rather moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The crowd on the day were certainly under the direct influence of Trump and could almost be described as zealots or fanatics.
They were on the fringes on civil society and took everything that was said as gospel.
While Trump may not have directly instructed them to storm the Capitol, the language was certainly inflammatory to the assembly.
Context really is everything.
One mans Freedom Fighter is another mans domestic terrorist or insurrectionist.
Ben at best there were a small minority of the crowd that could be described as zealots or fanatics.I would concede to the word partisans for the rest .
Here are the numbers .Over 80,000 people attended the rally . Of those about 1,700 rioted .(other reports has the number as high as 2,500) So far there have been 700 arrests .
1,700 of 80,000, sounds like the minority that we're discussing here.
After all doesn't take a large number to produce such results.
When the Dems supported the BLM demonstrators and a significant number of them peeled off and rioted were the Dems who supported the BLM inciting riots ?
Who benefits ? Here are remarks by Madam Mim on the anniversary of the riot .
I highlight this comment :
"It is essential that we preserve the narrative of January 6th"
Speaker Pelosi Remarks at Moderated Conversation with Historians Event on January 6th | Speaker Nancy Pelosi
The narrative she speaks of is that this was not a riot but an “insurrection,” an actual “rebellion” against our country. Insurrection ,sedition are the legal terms . The numbers ....700+ arrested .Zero charged with insurrection, sedition,or terrorism. Most of those charged have been on trespassing and property damage . Few have had any charges about violent acts or weapons possession.. Had there been proper security at the Capitol there would not have been a breach.
When BLM protests turned violent in DC there were a phalanx of heavily armed national guard protecting the Capitol. Why were they not there on Jan 6 ? Because Madam Mim and the DC mayor refused their presence.
Not as directly or blatantly as standing in front of 80,000 people and telling them to fight like hell and that the democratic election had been stolen from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Context yet again.
context is political rhetoric . I could bury this post of similar examples when politicians urged their followers to "fight " . What does the word mean politically ? It could be a violent event .It could be a heated argument .It could be involved in the struggle . It could be to make a determined effort .To oppose an effort from the other side .To endure . Even to avoid a situation . Your narrow defining is presupposing context .
Once again we will see if facts have any impact on opinions here. No one charged with acts of terror and the FBI reporting no prior organization to the riot. Virtually no one had a firearm, and yet we are to believe this was some sort of insurrection for which Trump was responsible? It's nonsense.Quote:
The numbers ....700+ arrested .Zero charged with insurrection, sedition,or terrorism. Most of those charged have been on trespassing and property damage .
You were wrong. I know it's hard for you to admit that, but you were wrong.Quote:
You have no idea what metaphorical means, do you.
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