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It would be required by the adults in a family who realize how out of control young men can get. Those adults would be backed by the AMA, APA, and most religious groups. Just think of the angst you'd be spared! No more pregnancies out of wedlock, thus no more abortions!

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What a wonderful fantasy world you must live in. So you really believe that parents will force their teen age boys to have a vasectomy in the hope, possibly vain, that it can be reversed? Please, please have the dem nominee pick up this idea. It would be the most bizarre, irrational idea to come on the political scene in a long time and perhaps ever. You MUST press that person to adopt this. Please!!! Consider it to be an early birthday gift for me.

And that's not to mention a simple question. Why aren't parents doing it now? And how would you guarantee that sexually active women would only choose these sterilized men?

I can only assume this is meant to be a joke. For your sake, I hope it's true.

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What a wonderful fantasy world you must live in. So you really believe that parents will force their teen age boys to have a vasectomy in the hope, possibly vain, that it can be reversed? Please, please have the dem nominee pick up this idea. It would be the most bizarre, irrational idea to come on the political scene in a long time and perhaps ever. You MUST press that person to adopt this. Please!!! Consider it to be an early birthday gift for me.

And that's not to mention a simple question. Why aren't parents doing it now? And how would you guarantee that sexually active women would only choose these sterilized men?

I can only assume this is meant to be a joke. For your sake, I hope it's true.

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Why oh why must you always drag politics into everything???

ALL males would be sterilized until marriage. "Sexually active women" wouldn't be sexually active (and wouldn't get pregnant).

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This is just too funny. The gov won't be mandating this, and yet everyone is just going to wake up one morning and say, "Honey, let's take our son to the doc and get the big cut done." And all women are suddenly going to become chaste.

Have you already called the dems and given them this plan? If not, then do so tonight. I think it's a GREAT idea.

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This is just too funny. The gov won't be mandating this, and yet everyone is just going to wake up one morning and say, "Honey, let's take our son to the doc and get the big cut done." And all women are suddenly going to become chaste.

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Hey, the title of this thread is "I am woke."

There will be organizing done. And big rewards for compliance. (P.S. It's actually a little cut.)

How could women NOT be chaste? And that's what you want, isn't it?

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Have you already called the dems and given them this plan? If not, then do so tonight. I think it's a GREAT idea.

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Actually, this fits in with the Republican agenda. All those evangelicals will be dancing in the streets when they find out there won't be any more abortions!

Like I said. Please, please call Bernie and Pocahontas and clue them in to this. It'd be a big winning item...for Trump.

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Like I said. Please, please call Bernie and Pocahontas and clue them in to this. It'd be a big winning item...for Trump.

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Trump's all for it! He figures it'll whittle down the competition for him and other older guys!

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Trump's all for it! He figures it'll whittle down the competition for him and other older guys!

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Why must you always bring politics into it?

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Why must you always bring politics into it?

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To counter your political rant:

"Like I said. Please, please call Bernie and Pocahontas and clue them in to this. It'd be a big winning item...for Trump."

righteousness exaults a nation and abortion isn't righteousness. make the connection

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Very sell said and applicable to both our situations.

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Very sell said and applicable to both our situations.

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Like abortion is the only problem this or any nation has. You won't solve that by just preaching about it. Your biggest problem though as I see it is nobody is listening very closely to what you're saying, or just not buying into it for whatever reason.

Where did we, U.S. and the world, go astray in thinking it was just another day at the office in terms of being O.K. to kill babies? There are some amongst us that believe this shows a level of enlightenment in a population...that this is somehow natural, normal behavior. NOWHERE IN NATURE IS IT NORMAL TO ABORT BABIES. The whole concept violates NATURAL LAW AND THE LAWS OF NATURE. I am not even talking any moral part or religious aspect of the argument. The ABORTION concept is something that is inherently wrong based on NATURAL LAW. The National Socialist (some of the worse murders of all time) even condemned abortion because it violated Natural Law, upon which their ideology was based.

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Well said. How did we get to the place where we think, "I'll just go to the "clinic" and get rid of this pesky little nuisance, and then I can get on with having fun and enjoying myself?"

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Where did we, U.S. and the world, go astray in thinking it was just another day at the office in terms of being O.K. to kill babies? There are some amongst us that believe this shows a level of enlightenment in a population...that this is somehow natural, normal behavior. NOWHERE IN NATURE IS IT NORMAL TO ABORT BABIES. The whole concept violates NATURAL LAW AND THE LAWS OF NATURE. I am not even talking any moral part or religious aspect of the argument. The ABORTION concept is something that is inherently wrong based on NATURAL LAW. The National Socialist (some of the worse murders of all time) even condemned abortion because it violated Natural Law, upon which their ideology was based.

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Technology, gains in better techniques of health care and changing attitudes among people in general has led to many changes and abortion is just one among many in todays reality. No longer are we just sheeple to be led by our leaders, told what to do and how what's right and what's wrong divided by ideology and geography, and ruled by one opinion, and castigated for daring to be different. All sorts of people and groups are making themselves and what they want known and are willing to fight for their god given rights and acceptance to live as they wish within the reasonable boundaries of good behavior. LOL, Vac, our history of wars and conquest is a violation of natural laws and the law of nature, by your definition, and we see where that has gotten us. Heck just invading another land because we have the army has always been with us and still is today and whole populations still suffer for it.

To put abortion at the head and as a cause is simply rather narrow minded and ignores every thing else going on around us which is mind boggling in size and scope. LOL, even racist use the violation of natural laws to justify exclusion and discrimination of another race simply based on race and there is no shortage of other examples to justify narrow thinking and bad behavior toward another human. Gays coming out of the closet, having the rights to marriage is another. So given the law of nature has so many definitions and interpretations is it a valid claim to make for anything? For sure though if you disagree with such a proclamation conflicts and wars are the inevitable outcome unless we find a better way.

Some will never ever even consider looking.

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Well said. How did we get to the place where we think, "I'll just go to the "clinic" and get rid of this pesky little nuisance, and then I can get on with having fun and enjoying myself?"

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Maybe true in some cases, but I doubt in enough cases to say its a majority reason, but it fits your narrative so understandable you give it more credence than it may deserve.

Talaniman: Good points! I know racist use the Natural Laws and Laws Of Nature as justification for their sicknesses of mind, definitely true. A lot of their vile hatred is rooted in the simple fact that they don't like to see different races, for lack of a better word. crossbreed: the thought of interracial love disgust them....but the fact is that this idea of race mixing being unnatural is, in and of itself, a departure of Natural Law! Different races have an inherent desire within their psyches to be attracted to other races! Even the Racist that I have known have demonstrated to me a profound attraction to women of the very race that they supposedly despise! You can see why these racist become so miserable: they are entirely conflicted by their own internal struggles! No wonder they are so angry: Their own "TABOO" desires drive these people bonkers...its insane!

But on the subject of Abortion: Short of the cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy or the cases of rape, agreeing that women can have these procedure done just because they feel like it is something I have a hard time accepting.

You don't have to accept that abortions are safe and readily available for all women my friend, but you should accept that not everyone agrees with your opinion, and it's been shown time and again that females with both a family already and resources of private insurance and the knowledge of their bodies are very willing to not allow pregnancies to continue and have made that decision very early in the process. Most women make that decision early in the process.

Bottomline is we should never put all women in the same barrel of using abortion to keep havin fun and recognize the difference between abuser and users. Obviously I have listened to a lot of stories and opinions in my life. You do not have to agree with a different view of things to listen with an open mind, just to understand the different view of things and I think that applies to many things not just abortions.

If you are free to not have an abortion if you find yourself pregnant unintentionally, so should everyone be given that choice. It's more the first law of nature that applies and that's SURVIVAL that makes the need to breed such a hot topic and all that goes with it. I understand it very well and am content to live and let live. LOL, most females I have talked to over the years has never considered abortion as an option no matter the situation or circumstances. Amazing ain't it?

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ignores every thing else going on around us which is mind boggling in size and scope.

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What do you know of that is more "mind boggling in size and scope" than the death of nearly a million innocents a year?

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You don't have to accept that abortions are safe and readily available for all women my friend, but you should accept that not everyone agrees with your opinion, and it's been shown time and again that females with both a family already and resources of private insurance and the knowledge of their bodies are very willing to not allow pregnancies to continue and have made that decision very early in the process. Most women make that decision early in the process.

Bottomline is we should never put all women in the same barrel of using abortion to keep havin fun and recognize the difference between abuser and users.

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That would make perfectly good sense if we were talking about face lifts, tummy tucks, hair coloring, or a myriad of other elective procedures. When you consider that the only way to have an abortion is to kill the human being living in the woman's womb, and usually in a sickening and violent manner, then it changes everything.

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It's more the first law of nature that applies and that's SURVIVAL that makes the need to breed such a hot topic and all that goes with it. I understand it very well and am content to live and let live.

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So human existence now just comes down to survival of the fittest? Wow. What you are really in agreement with is to live and let kill. Yet another reason I am glad I'm not a liberal dem.

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Yes, all those children and babies caged at our southern border! Shame on us!

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That would make perfectly good sense if we were talking about face lifts, tummy tucks, hair coloring, or a myriad of other elective procedures. When you consider that the only way to have an abortion is to kill the human being living in the woman's womb, and usually in a sickening and violent manner, then it changes everything.

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Nope, not "usually in a violent and sickening manner." It used to be that way when Grandma or Aunt Mabel helped their younger female relatives, but now the deed is done with a pill taken during the first trimester or by the fourth month at the latest. Third-trimester abortions are done when the mother's life is in grave danger. No woman in her right mind would wait until then to get an abortion. Apparently, you've never carried and birthed a child. Those nine months are not a pleasure trip!

I have not read all the abortion tangents. To connect this to intersectionality my question is ,was Margaret Sanger a racist or a feminist ,or both ?

Sanger spoke to the Ku Klux Klan and openly wrote about it in her autobiography.

Her eugenics promoted the concept that working class and women of color had to be sterilized or raise multiple children …..or off them . Knowing her inherent racism then how can a person of color or a woke person support her 'Planned Parenthood' ?