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Generally agree. The opposition to registry is perhaps paranoia . But there is a concern that what was once legal will become illegal and the government can use that registry to confiscate . Think despots haven't done that in the past ? Think again.

Tal you know and I know that the ones screaming the loudest if you got your way would be the public and private labor unions .

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Labor unions are people too! Working blue collar people for sure. I'm a union guy myself but the bottom line is that 97% of Americans favor common sense gun control laws and are sick and tired of all the massacres and NOTHING is done.

I'm a father and grandfather before I'm a union guy, dem, gun owner, or even a Texan! I just want the carnage to stop. I'm not worried about a despot taking over America, and don't give a rats a$$ about militia style hillbillies hollering about armed resistance to the LAW! Lock the MOFO"s up!

I don't like mob violence no matter the ethnicity, and you've seen yours, and I've seen mine. I want equal protection under the law just like it says, and enough of this gerrymandered power grabs by everybody. I just ain't that down with the cultural obsession with gun rights without adequate safety controls. MOST agree with me. So let 'em holler, I don't care. Gun violence, and deaths are UNACCEPTABLE, and needs to stop PERIOD.

Is that asking too much?

ah that echo chamber catch phrase " common sense " laws as if you have a legitimate reason to oppose them then you do not have common sense . What you really need is enforcement of existing laws . There is another echo chamber phrase going around today ... 'bipartisan ' bill as if you have legitimate concerns you are being partisan.
So add it all up and you get Senator Cornyn and Sen. Murphy's bipartisan bill to improve Federal Compliance with Criminal Background checks.

Problem solved . Everyone can go back to pointing fingers at abusers . This whole thing is going to die down in a week forgotten until the next tragedy .

Pre-crime used to be the business of churches, families, schools. Post-crime was for the police. Then we did away with families, churches and school discipline. What we're left with is FBI agents spending their days on Twitter.

Trump spends his days on tweeter attacking everybody but Russia and Vlad. Not a peep from his sycophant crowd.

and yet last week the US jets killed around 100 Russian mercs in Syria .And yet US and Russian jets play chicken in the sky like the old days of the Cold War. and yet US and Russia are escalating and building up forces on NATOs borders ;especially in the Baltic States and Poland . And yet herr Donald is considering sending arms to Ukraine for their defense. Doesn't sound like Trump is Putie's poodle like the emperor was .

That's the generals Tom, you know the guy the Dufus is smarter than?

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That's the generals Tom, you know the guy the Dufus is smarter than?

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There is a guy Dump is smarter than?

So you think that the Generals are running a foreign policy that is counter to what Trump instructs them to do ? Wow I missed the military coup in the lame stream media .

Trump: Win the war!

Generals: Okay!

Trump: Good, let me know what you need!

That's the extent of The Dufus's instructions! You can't believe The Dufus actually has a strategy do you? Or even knows a Kurd, from a Turk, from a Russian? Or cares?

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you can't believe The Dufus actually has a strategy do you?

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Tal, does anyone have a strategy? The way I see it the "strategy" or is it the "policy" is confrontation. Iran, NK, Russia, China, confrontation is ongoing and with Dump escalating, but they have taken their eye off Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and so on. IS is beaten, so why continue to confront Assad? There is more to gain from allowing the refugees to return home than there is to continue an unwinnable war.

The US may be surprised by what it can achieve by talking rather than shouting

um because the unintended consequences was the creation of a corridor from Iran to the border of Israel .We will not be finished in the ME until Iran is dealt with in my opinion.

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um because the unintended consequences was the creation of a corridor from Iran to the border of Israel .We will not be finished in the ME until Iran is dealt with in my opinion.

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I expect you are speaking of G W Bush adventurism followed by BO's little proxy war in Syria

no I am not .By the time GW left the Sunni insurgency was defeated and more than a couple elections in Iraq had formed the basis of a shared government . What destroyed that was the emperor's commitment to leave before the work was finished . The emperor not only took the heat off of Iran and it's nuke program ;but he let them off the hook and paid them $1.7 billion in cash ;loaded onto transport planes .He funded the IRGC expansion .

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no I am not .By the time GW left the Sunni insurgency was defeated and more than a couple elections in Iraq had formed the basis of a shared government . What destroyed that was the emperor's commitment to leave before the work was finished . The emperor not only took the heat off of Iran and it's nuke program ;but he let them off the hook and paid them $1.7 billion in cash ;loaded onto transport planes .He funded the IRGC expansion .

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I think it is long overdue that we all took our eyes off Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and understand we have been dupes of the Saudi agenda and paranoia.

Iran is a powerful regional power but it was made that way by US backed adventurism. Iran has not attacked their neighbours. I agree that they have the old Muslim agenda of restoring Palestine to the Arabs, why they should care is beyond me but I know they are a thorn in the side of the US since the US backed Shah was kicked out. This is all so last century and last generation.

Well that's pretty selective since your Euro ancestors mucked up the world pretty good when they had the power and money to. Just because you found someplace to lord over doesn't absolve you of your own history or give you the right to stick your nose in the air and claim some sort of arrival.

Oh that's right you were running from some kind of subjugation, suppression, and or general victimization on your homeland and found a safe haven to spew your BS! There was no one to make you illegal, or at least deport you back to where you came from.

You lucky immigrant! Or conqueror, I can't tell which, but the pattern is the same.

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Well that's pretty selective since your Euro ancestors mucked up the world pretty good when they had the power and money to. Just because you found someplace to lord over doesn't absolve you of your own history or give you the right to stick your nose in the air and claim some sort of arrival.

Oh that's right you were running from some kind of subjugation, suppression, and or general victimization on your homeland and found a safe haven to spew your BS! There was no one to make you illegal, or at least deport you back to where you came from.

You lucky immigrant! Or conqueror, I can't tell which, but the pattern is the same.

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Tal, you are under a misapprehension, I come from here, I don't yearn for some lost motherland, I have seen the world, and candidly, much of it is crap. It is all made of ticky-tacky and it all looks just the same, as the song goes. You want to make me guilty of something the British dlckheads did here, but you can't, because for every finger you point at me, three are pointing back at you. Give Texas back to the natives or the Mexicans, then let's talk. We did not embark on a military campaign lasting decades or even centuries to dispossess the natives, there were not than many of them anyway.

My nation was not founded on the mistaken idea of manifest destiny. Our explorers crossed vast distances and only came across scattered groups, there were no villages, no indications of anything you might have found on your continent, not even one stone upon another, but you slaughtered whole nations

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I have seen the world, and candidly, much of it is crap. It is all made of ticky-tacky and it all looks just the same, as the song goes.

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So everybody else's crap stinks but yours? Only a closed mind would entertain putting such a value on piles of crap. You should visit Texas someday and see that there are already almost as many Hispanics as Whites. LOL, a Wall won't change that either.

Integration is a beech ain't it? Frijoles Y Arroz makes for some stankin' craps, and everybody knows that, but it's still gooder than a MOFO! Hey bring some toads and roo and we can TexMex that too.

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Clete many of the US casualties in Iraq were the DIRECT result of Iranian backed militias and MOST IMPORTANT ;Iranian produced

EFPs, That is an undeniable truth . They also sponsored Hezbollah at the time when Hezbollah bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut . They are also most likely responsible for the Khobar Tower attack that killed 19 US service personal and wounded 498 other people . You may forgive them for that . I don't . MY cousin was in Iraq almost the entirety of the conflict and saw way to many of his colleagues maimed and killed . We should've exited through Tehran.

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Clete many of the US casualties in Iraq were the DIRECT result of Iranian backed militias and MOST IMPORTANT ;Iranian produced

EFPs, That is an undeniable truth . They also sponsored Hezbollah at the time when Hezbollah bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut . They are also most likely responsible for the Khobar Tower attack that killed 19 US service personal and wounded 498 other people . You may forgive them for that . I don't . MY cousin was in Iraq almost the entirety of the conflict and saw way to many of his colleagues maimed and killed . We should've exited through Tehran.

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Not saying they are not part of a proxy war, or that they didn't have allies within Iraq.

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So everybody else's crap stinks but yours? Only a closed mind would entertain putting such a value on piles of crap. You should visit Texas someday and see that there are already almost as many Hispanics as Whites. LOL, a Wall won't change that either.

Integration is a beech ain't it? Frijoles Y Arroz makes for some stankin' craps, and everybody knows that, but it's still gooder than a MOFO! Hey bring some toads and roo and we can TexMex that too.

8D

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You really shouldn't get so upset Tal, when I don't want to play charades with you. You want to eat toad, go ahead. As for the roos, a bit tough for me. Our treatment of the indigenous population was better than your treatment of the indigenous population, there the argument ends. Our indigenous are allowed to live in country, not in some contrived reservation far from their roots

gotta agree with you Clete We made it virtually impossible for the natives here to retain their culture . Today they live in horrible conditions ,and are not even allowed to exploit the resources on the small parcels of land we permitted them to retain. However ,a good part of their condition today is of their own making .They are socialist archipelagos.

Reservation land is owned by the tribes and managed by the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs. No one is allowed to own land, and no one has responsibility for any land. So there is no incentive for anyone to use the land for economic development.

Prosperity is built on property rights, and reservations mostly have neither.


But there is hope . Some tribes are beginning to get it .

Arizona’s Navajos produce oil and gas. Oregon’s Confederated Tribes manage forests and operate hydroelectric dams.

Arizona’s White Mountain Apaches manage nine enterprises, including an aircraft parts plant, with total revenues of $45 million.

Maine’s Passamaquoddies run an auto parts plant, apparel operation, mini-mall, and farm; license out a synthetic-fiber plant and environmental scrubber technology; and have bought, and sold for a large profit, a cement plant. Wisconsin’s Oneidas own a mobile-telephone company and a partial interest in a bank, participate in a joint venture to produce circuit boards, and are moving to create metals fabrication and medical products companies. The

Choctaws have become

one of the largest employers in Mississippi.

So there is hope that the rest of the tribes will throw off the yoke of primitive socialism .