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If the slaves weren't immigrants, what would they be called?

And most of the Native Americans came from somewhere else, so they were refugees or immigrants.

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ANd actually that is spot on correct... same with Europe and Asia...

None of them evolved from apes there or were dropped off by some mothership like that idiot Louis Farakhan likes to believe.

Prevailing Scientific theory has it that EVERYONE is from Africa originally. Including everyone in Suriname....they ALL originated someplace else.


And every Nation on earth has the RIGHT to control their borders and dictate who can and can not enter. And how.

Since this was disputed as actually happening earlier... Germans being evicted to give housing to Illegals.

https://www.rt.com/news/316568-germa...tion-refugees/

I know for a fact entire NEW apartment complexes are being built to house illegals in Italy with NO wait, while Italian citizens wait for decades to move into appartments nearly 70 years old or anything better. Because I have seen them myself. And have enough friends and family that work inside the Justice System there that backs it up.

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If the slaves weren't immigrants, what would they be called?

And most of the Native Americans came from somewhere else, so they were refugees or immigrants.

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Obductees! They came involuntarily.

Do you mean that the native Americans came from Asia in the Iceage? I wouldn't call that immigrating, chasing mammoths over a continent. You are only an immigrant if there are already people living in a country, but if you are the first one there, you're the native population.

Otherwise, everybody except for the people in Africa is an immigrant, because homo sapiens originates from Africa.

And the "American Indians" were not the first there... they have fossilized proof ( in the last few years) the people here earlier were pushed out and killed off by the newcomers... as they shared NO genetic DNA with the current American Indians (or any further south). They were here hundreds or thousands of years earlier than the oldest dated fossilized "native Americans" .

What about the Tigris-Euphrates area, the Fertile Triangle? Isn't there a belief that there was a native population there, too? (And I'm not talking about the Garden of Eden. I mean archeological evidence.)

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What about the Tigris-Euphrates area, the Fertile Triangle? Isn't there a belief that there was a native population there, too? (And I'm not talking about the Garden of Eden. I mean archeological evidence.)

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The Oldest (known) recorded civilization was from there. But that is long after the oldest dated humanoid fossils

The Sumarians, or before that?

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What about the Tigris-Euphrates area, the Fertile Triangle? Isn't there a belief that there was a native population there, too? (And I'm not talking about the Garden of Eden. I mean archeological evidence.)

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When and where did our species originate? - Australian Museum

This article was only published five days ago. Modern men really seems to have their origin in Africa.

Thanks, misspurple. That's a very interesting article. Don't you wish we could do time travel back to that period? Hmmmm, maybe I'll write a novel or, more likely, a short story with "Out of Africa" as a theme.

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Thanks, misspurple. That's a very interesting article. Don't you wish we could do time travel back to that period? Hmmmm, maybe I'll write a novel or, more likely, a short story with "Out of Africa" as a theme.

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O yes, I love movies like 10.000 BC, prehistoric times are really fascinating!

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O yes, I love movies like 10.000 BC, prehistoric times are really fascinating!

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If we time travel, let's be sure to take a bagful of antibiotics, aspirin, bandaids, soap, etc.!

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If we time travel, let's be sure to take a bagful of antibiotics, aspirin, bandaids, soap, etc.!

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I would like to travel in some sort of dino cage, like in Jurasssic World. A hamster ball, but made of steel of course, not like in Jurassic World, because those don't exist yet, so that we can roll around in between the scary sabre tooth tigers, mammoths etc. If people feed sharks they are also in a cage. Those days were really dangerous!

And if you haven't seen Jurassic World yet, that movie is really a must see:-D!

We can also bring walkie talkies, we don't need a network for them to work!

Will that make us refugees or immigrants (thinking about the question that started this thread) -- or guests or explorers? Or maybe just time travelers....

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Will that make us refugees or immigrants (thinking about the question that started this thread) -- or guests or explorers? Or maybe just time travelers....

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Tourists! Guests or explorers, I have no intention of staying there!

But if we only travel back in time, and not to another place, we are only timetravelers;-).

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Tourists! Guests or explorers, I have no intention of staying there!

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Maybe like Claire in Diana Gabaldon's (time-travel) Outlander series, you'll fall in love with a guy from long ago. ;)

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Maybe like Claire in Diana Gabaldon's (time-travel) Outlander series, you'll fall in love with a guy from long ago. ;)

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I don't know that series.

But I can't imagine falling in love with a guy so deeply, that I would want to give things like hot showers, sunscreen, birth control, wifi, IMAX, chocolate, sushi, microwaves, TV shows such as The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Vikings and Supernatural up for him.

We have a TV series here, "Grenzeloos verliefd" In Love without borders, in which mostly Dutch women, move to the most outrageous places for love. One woman moved to Uganda. Another to the pampa's of Argentina, to live without water and electricity in the middle of nowhere, one even to Suriname, to move in with her in laws, while her Surinamese boyfriend was gone all week, to work in the gold mines in the inlands.

I haven't seen much episodes, but most stories don't end happy, and I am always looking at that show full of disbelief, how can these women do that to themselves!

Leaving their houses with running water and electrity to move somewhere without them or with a lot less privacy!

Those women are immigrants, but definitely not economic refugees, because they had better lifes here!

You are very niaive, have you ever lived without running water or in a alternative life style?

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You are very niaive, have you ever lived without running water or in a alternative life style?

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I have camped sometimes and I hated it. I don't like missing the modern utilities, you can call me spoiled, but that doesn't make me naïve.

I lived in Suriname for four years. We didn't had warm water, I hated it. A lot of people didn't had running water at all, I hated going over to their houses. Electricity often fell out, I really didn't like that.

So if I miss it for just a short time, I don't want to spend my life without it.

Just because you may have a different opinion on this, doesn't mean that I am naïve.

Almost all relationships on that TV show ended badly, because the differences were too big. I know myself good enough to not even put myself in that position. Having self knowledge is the exact opposite of naivety.

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I wouldn't say she's naive. I spent my honeymoon camping in a musty pup tent, no showers, and eating canned beef stew. At least we didn't have to eat the bugs that swarmed around us. Toilet facilities were behind a bush or in a porta-potty. I was 21 and thought of it as an adventure until the second week.

Have you ever lived in an alternative situation or "roughed it," paraclete?

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You are very niaive, have you ever lived without running water or in a alternative life style?

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A lot of relationships that I know of, ended because one of the two wanted to live in Suriname and the other didn't. That is just reality, it has nothing to do with naivety.

I don't want to live there. My exboyfriend thought that he could persuade me to move there, but he was wrong. I am rather single in The Netherlands than there with him.

When I lived there, I also really missed good television, but fortunately, there are possibilities for better television now, than there were, twenty years ago when I lived there.