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Originally Posted by paraclete

You and I might have similar backgrounds, I grew up in the coalfields of New South Wales and worked in the steel industry in my youth. We were poor, lived in public housing but fortunately my father had a job so eventually I was able to move away. In those days opportunity was everywhere, I'm talking 50-60 years ago. I would not have the education I do if I hadn't done it for myself and that led to opportunities. And yes I remember six months in Scotland well, working in a bar for low wages and drinks, not being a citizen sucks.

So all this should allow us the emphaise with the poor but in reality it doesn't. We know what lessons must be learned and applied, something that eludes many today

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The reason we don't have empathy... is because we know why most of them remain in the situation they are in... same reason people stay in abusive relationships every day... its familiar and they know it... and making the step into the unknown and the uncertainty that goes with it to try for something better... is something they would rather avoid. I for one don't have empathy for someone that complains about their situation...but refuses to take the steps to improve it. Or even try.

I could probably be doing a lot better than I am right now....but I haven't taken the steps or the risk to try for more....because I'm comfortable where I am now....which is well above a lot of people....and probably actually below a least a few that might be reading this....

So should I blame anyone for that? Nope....because I am an adult...and my life is a result of the choices I have made over those years...good or bad. As is everyone else's.

That's all great, and everyone has a story of learning, and while some take longer than others, more people than you think move on to do better, and actually very few stay long term in the rut of poverty. You know for yourself it may take many YEARS to learn, and correct mistakes, and find better ways of doing things, and you also know some mistakes are well beyond your control, like a layoff, or downsizing, or losing a job after 20 years, a few kids, and a mortgage, or even as you say, a divorce, or failed relationship.

Those are huge life changing events to go through. Has nothing to do with being stupid at all, but limited would be a kinder more accurate term.

Hello again,

The Oath Keepers showed up in Ferguson.. They're heavily armed, right wing white guys, in camo. The cops didn't raise an eyebrow.

How do you think the cops would have reacted if heavily armed Black Panthers showed up???

Really... You can tell me.. I WON'T be surprised.

excon

depends ,are they there to help restore order or to be part of the anarchy ?

Oathkeeprs aren't the ones assaulting cops. Rioting, Looting or burning buildings. HUGE difference.

Hello reality deniers:

If armed black men showed up in Ferguson, the SECOND the cops saw their guns, a battle would ensue..

What??? You believe the cops will walk up to them POLITELY to ask them why they're there??? DUDE!!!

excon

The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity... not the least is Voter intimidation at the polls in Philadelphia... which was recorded on video.


The only reason they haven't had charges filed on them for that YET was A Black Attorney general was breaking the law and covering their behinds..

Besides...comparing Oath Keepers to the Black Panthers is apples to oranges...the White Equivalent of the Black Panthers is the Ku Klux Klan....and you could bet if they showed up armed the cops would say something.

Black Panther has been following me ever since I Poke in to their bushes...
Now she lives at the same Motel and took over this Public Libraries Central Hub. Printing DATA for Indian RAW Agent " Viker"...
You be careful. She dirvies around the City, Wealthy area and she will Steal their Mail from the Mail BOX then reprint them to Colon their Financial History.. Be very very careful around them. I am very nervous. She even use a Phone carrier name " ORANGE and Red Pocket" I am unheard of them..

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity... not the least is Voter intimidation at the polls in Philadelphia... which was recorded on video.


The only reason they haven't had charges filed on them for that YET was A Black Attorney general was breaking the law and covering their behinds..

Besides...comparing Oath Keepers to the Black Panthers is apples to oranges...the White Equivalent of the Black Panthers is the Ku Klux Klan....and you could bet if they showed up armed the cops would say something.

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Black Panther is a RING from Baltimore and Prince George County, MD..
They drives around the wealthy area of the town , steal their Mails from the mail box, use their telephone lines to impostor them.. to COLON their financial history.
They work for Indian Raw Agent " Viker".. Who has many recurit from
NJ, specially heavily democratic Meyor.. city and Iranian Business Man..
They are the Knights of all IRANIAN Business Man.. Be wear near website "Zappos" inc, Zulily Inc.. Those are the sites they Charge their victim Caredit cards.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity...

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Hello again, smoothy:

Don't get distracted by the name Black Panthers.. Just pretend that some well armed black folk with NO identification, showed up in Ferguson. Would the cops welcome them like the Oath Keepers, or would they GUN THEM DOWN???

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Don't get distracted by the name Black Panthers.. Just pretend that some well armed black folk with NO identification, showed up in Ferguson. Would the cops welcome them like the Oath Keepers, or would they GUN THEM DOWN???

excon

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You can bet the Oath Keepers had identification on them... and none of them have a criminal or mental health history preventing them from having firearms.

Also... when exactly were the last white riots in the USA... and where? Don't remember seeing them on the news, reading it in the paper, or hearing it on the radio.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You can bet the Oath Keepers had identification on them... and none of them have a criminal or mental health history preventing them from having firearms. Also... when exactly were the last white riots in the USA... and where? Don't remember seeing them on the news, reading it in the paper, or hearing it on the radio.

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, if the black guys had ID's, the cops would let 'em strut around town with their AR-15's slung over their shoulder??? What planet do you live on?

But, I agree with your conclusion.. You and the cops believe that armed whites show up at demonstrations to keep the peace.. But, armed black people show up, because, you know, THEY start riots - so they should be gunned down on site.

excon

So its not like you guys are racist, just white lives matter more than black lives... I get that. Just curious if we are still on the 3/5ths standard, or the one drop makes you black, standard.

Let me know if I am putting words in your mouth, or twisting them around, we wouldn't want to mistake you for racists by the words you speak, or write. I honestly didn't know a white guy can go across state lines, and openly carry his weapon wherever he goes... no questions asked.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

So, if the black guys had ID's, the cops would let 'em strut around town with their AR-15's slung over their shoulder??? What planet do you live on?

But, I agree with your conclusion.. You and the cops believe that armed whites show up at demonstrations to keep the peace.. But, armed black people show up, because, you know, THEY start riots - so they should be gunned down on site.

excon

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Didn't see any whites rioting in Baltimore or Ferguson... In fact I haven't seen any news footage of whites rioting in the USA ever. Can't believe the same media that buries news stories about unarmed WHITE people being shot by police and pushing news stories defending black criminals being shot while assaulting cops is responsible.

THe need to take away Welfare benefits in any city that experiences rioting such as this... 99% of the rioters are on welfare and don't work. Otherwise they would have more respect for private property and not have time to pull these stunts...

And if it was white or hispanic welfare recipients doing it... I'd be saying the same thing. But its always the same group doing the same things...

You as well as many should know... if there is a particular crime being committed with a certain MO... the Law enforcement authorities are going to look for people with a history of committing that type of offense first. Doesn't matter WHAT the crime is... that's a universal approach because most of the time it is someone who has done it before. White collar embezzlement... arson at black churches... riots in black communities... looting... car jacking every type of crime has a certain group that's usually associated with it most of the time.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

That's all great, and everyone has a story of learning, and while some take longer than others, more people than you think move on to do better, and actually very few stay long term in the rut of poverty. You know for yourself it may take many YEARS to learn, and correct mistakes, and find better ways of doing things, and you also know some mistakes are well beyond your control, like a layoff, or downsizing, or losing a job after 20 years, a few kids, and a mortgage, or even as you say, a divorce, or failed relationship.

Those are huge life changing events to go through. Has nothing to do with being stupid at all, but limited would be a kinder more accurate term.

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Oh some people really are stupid... some are just stubborn... others are just lazy.

The truly stupid people can't help themselves... the rest can... but don't.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

In fact I haven't seen any news footage of whites rioting in the USA ever.

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You musta missed the '60s and '70s.

Burden of proof smoothy by all means pull the welfare benefits for any person convicted of civil unrest or any crime but a scattergun approach isn't a recipe for anything but more unrest. People get upset about issues but civil rights issues are about treatment of minorities. Next you will be telling us you haven't seen any videos of police brutality.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You musta missed the '60s and '70s.

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Actually I did, and for good reason... I came of age during the Jimmy Carter disaster. At the very END of the 70's. I was 9 in 1970....very few small kids if any really got what was going on in the 60's, during the 60's. And not many older people did in the rural area I grew up in even in the 70's.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Burden of proof smoothy by all means pull the welfare benefits for any person convicted of civil unrest or any crime but a scattergun approach isn't a recipe for anything but more unrest. People get upset about issues but civil rights issues are about treatment of minorities. Next you will be telling us you haven't seen any videos of police brutality.

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Possibly... but when their gravy train is at risk of coming to a screeching halt based on actions of others in their same group. YOu would see a new found civic responsibility in weeding out the riff raff that currently covers for each other.

Personally I think you are on a witch hunt or is that a which hunt. We know black communities are disadvantaged and there may be some disorder among them when one gets killed by police. What surprises me is more aren't killed by these white militant gun tottin vigilantes. Might give the lie to the idea that blacks are lawless?

Crime statistics prove its not the white gun vigilantes committing the crimes... its the black's, followed by the Hispanics who commit the greatest percentages.

Nobody FORCES them to do it...its the choice THEY make that puts them in the situation.

Its not a crime to be poor...but it is when you decide to break the law... There are poor that have a solid moral compass that obey the law...then there are those that feel they are entitled to other peoples stuff, Who don't.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Crime statistics prove its not the white gun vigilantes committing the crimes... its the black's, followed by the Hispanics who commit the greatest percentages.

Nobody FORCES them to do it...its the choice THEY make that puts them in the situation.

Its not a crime to be poor...but it is when you decide to break the law... There are poor that have a solid moral compass that obey the law...then there are those that feel they are entitled to other peoples stuff, Who don't.

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And we're back to parenting. Remember the video of that mother whomping her teen son over the head? And it takes a village.... What part of the village are any of us?

Yes more whooming over the head needed as opposed to pulling a gun and using it. It brings us back to attitude and what attitude can you have when you can't see a future? No amount of whooming over the head changes the facts. These people behave the way they do because they have no future and so street life, small time dealing, etc, becomes attractive. A neighbourhood riot might be the most excitement these people have had and certainly an opportunity to make a point and as soon as they see a cop...