Maybe you are in the wrong profession.

Thank you, but I'm in the right profession. I wouldn't change it for the world.

I actually find it comical that you are bashing the only person on the site who has first hand knowledge into what is going on in this healthcare crisis. I don't read it on the internet, or hear it in the news. I actually experience it on a day-to-day basis, I don't only work OB, but ER and CCU as well. But you all don't want to hear that, do you? You would rather stay safe in your own personal political environments than to open your minds to what is REALLY going on from someone who is behind the scenes and knows what is happening on a first hand basis.

I'm not speaking republican or democrat, I am trying to stand up as your future health care provider.

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Excessive, yes, but you do what you have to do to make a living in this economy. And with ObamaCare looming, there are many cuts made to the point that hospitals are overcrowded and short staffed. I do what I have to do to support my family and take care of my patients.

What are you expecting? A copy of my clocking at work? Put it to you this way, out of the last 8 days I worked 7, have tonight and tomorrow off, then back to work it is.

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Obama care has rules but I can only point out that your state is one of many facing these issues that burden many hospitals, lack of paying for poor sick people. Hospitals are closing under this burden while state legislatures are resisting the resources they are entitled to. That does include all those vaccinations you do everyday, including the flu shots.

There are many that cannot pay to be healthy or receive treatments, and the money comes from somewhere. No need to use your own work ethnic to beat others over the head though. This whole conversation on who deserves what, and who is entitled to what solves nothing.

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you are bashing the only person on the site

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I wasn't. I was testing you're the advice you gave in an earlier post.
I have a lot of nurse friends. We don't have the same issues here of course.

Back tracking.

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We don't have the same issues here of course.

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Then you shouldn't be participating in this exchange.

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I actually find it comical that you are bashing the only person on the site who has first hand knowledge into what is going on in this healthcare crisis. I don't read it on the internet, or hear it in the news. I actually experience it on a day-to-day basis, I don't only work OB, but ER and CCU as well. But you all don't want to hear that, do you? You would rather stay safe in your own personal political environments than to open your minds to what is REALLY going on from someone who is behind the scenes and knows what is happening on a first hand basis.

I'm not speaking republican or democrat, I am trying to stand up as your future health care provider.

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Obama care has rules but I can only point out that your state is one of many facing these issues that burden many hospitals, lack of paying for poor sick people. Hospitals are closing under this burden while state legislatures are resisting the resources they are entitled to. That does include all those vaccinations you do everyday, including the flu shots.

There are many that cannot pay to be healthy or receive treatments, and the money comes from somewhere. No need to use your own work ethnic to beat others over the head though. This whole conversation on who deserves what, and who is entitled to what solves nothing.

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the emperor has shown the so called rules you speak of are pliable at the emperor'sdiscretion.

The real problem is there are not enough health care providers. Anywhere.

Illinois is doing okay during the "healthcare crisis." I've been at the receiving end of it, having spent Christmas in the hospital (including six hours in the ER) and was in a health care rehab until Feb. 12. The hospital was well staffed with three or four patients per CNA/nurse team. At the rehab facility, each CNA/nurse team had as many as ten patients, but we patients were more independent and didn't need constant medical oversight. And at rehab, I spent the morning in PT and wanted to spend afternoons (with the facility's permission) reorganizing their library, but I couldn't because of job interviews and employee evaluations going on in there. I'm at home now, and my visiting nurse has been assigned a new hire (RN) who accompanies her on each home visit to see how things are done.

My niece-in-law in the Quad Cities is an RN and is working as a visiting nurse. Her older sister just finished her CNA training and quickly got a job in a QC hospital.

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Then you shouldn't be participating in this exchange.

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Why? This particular exchange or the whole thread. The OP is Canadian with what he believes to be Canadian issues. That is how this whole discussion started. I mentioned manadatory vaccinations was not in the Canadian constitution; then it turned over to US health issues and vaccinations.

I am not a nurse but a front line Personal Support worker and an RNA to broaden my scope of practice in my job; every second weekend I work 50 hours almost straight (that is mandatory for me and I am NOT well paid) and see a lot of very sick children in the hospital corridors because, I am thinking, parents just don't know that they should have their children vaccinated. As Alty said under our healthcare system we don't have to pay for any vaccinations, so there is no excuse for not having it done.

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The real problem is there are not enough health care providers. Anywhere.

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And thanks to Obama... even fewer have any desire to be.

Thanks to state legislatures and more hospital closings because of rising costs not being mitigated through revenue resources is more accurate.

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Thanks to state legislatures and more hospital closings because of rising costs not being mitigated through revenue resources is more accurate.

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Funny how they weren't leaving in droves until Obamacare got rammed down everyone's throats.

Factually the health care industry is growing

High Growth Industry Profile - Health Care

Maybe not fast enough, but growing.

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Factually the health care industry is growing

High Growth Industry Profile - Health Care

Maybe not fast enough, but growing.

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I think the comment regarding health care providers becoming fewer was more to do with physicians. Whereas the projected increase in the article has to do with positions requiring less training, such as PAs, home health aids, PTs, etc. This would be expected if the number of physicians were to decrease.

I'm sorry to backtrack a little, but J mentioned that two OB's she knows pay $10,000 a month in malpractice insurance. I found that shocking.

Not that I didn't believe you J, but I did remember something Sneezy (the only American doctor I know) told me a while back. So I emailed him to confirm if I remembered what he had told me, correctly. I asked if 1. The insurance costs were that high, and 2. If the doctors paid that premium out of pocket.

His reply, verbatim "Yes, OBs do pay close to $100,000 in insurance. But no, you don't pay it out of pocket. Your hospital usually pays for it. Granted, if you're private practice, then yes, you pay for it on your own, but it's rare you become private practice. Chances are you join a private practice group in which they pay for it (but you also pay to join a private practice group)"

He's actually working OB/GYN right now. He's hating it. Only 2 weeks left and he moves on to psychiatry. He can't wait.

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Instead of lamenting the high school dropout you should use your professions expertise to determine the reason for these dropouts, and it will take a whole raft of professionals to do the studies and we may not like the answers, nurture will be a big part of it, so will culture but the whole teaching regime might need to change making education related to the way the world is now. Not every kid is going to college, etc and education should recognise this

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Paraclete,

The need for variations in education is recognized more and more. Many districts have magnet schools, often as part of a public school, which will have a focus on specific areas of training, such as medicine, electronics, robotics, the arts, engineering, etc..

Dropouts happen for a wide variety of reasons, and much will depend on the location and family culture as well. Some will dropout to help families by working, which is sometimes expected as the norm. Others will drop out due to lack of interest, often going back to school at a later time to earn a GED certificate (similar to a high school diploma). Some do not meet the graduation requirements due to poor grades, lack of attendance, etc. and decide not to complete what is necessary. Some will drop out and go to a technical school that may offer specific training of interest... from culinary arts to truck driving and everything in between. Some simply don't care, refuse to go to school, and there is nothing a parent can do, and they may not care themselves.

Graduation requirements will also vary among states... with some being more rigorous than others, and resulting in some students not meeting those requirements. How graduation rates are determined may vary as well with regard as to just what constitutes a graduate.

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I think the comment regarding health care providers becoming fewer was more to do with physicians. Whereas the projected increase in the article has to do with positions requiring less training, such as PAs, home health aids, PTs, etc. This would be expected if the number of physicians were to decrease.

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So how do we get more doctors?