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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

It is a clear cut example, but that's the whole idea of neo-corporatism.

Federalism is the best way to consolidate a power sharing arrangement. At the moment we have neo-nationalism teamed up with neo-corporatism. The only difference down the track will be that neo-conservatism will team up with neo-corporatism.Nothing will change except a shift in the power sharing arrangement.

I would disagree with Tom. Money does buy power and influence in the political process. The little guys were shut out of the political process as soon as big money backed their grassroots cause.

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And some still amazingly call themselves "grassroots" organizations, i.e. MoveOn & Organizing For America - while these true grassroots movements get the jackboot from the feds.

How do you tell the true grassroots Tparty from the ones subverted by corporate donors for elections? You know how Army did? Are you saying all those groups with TPARTY as a name are unaffiliated?

They all look alike to me.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That, over the years, BOTH political parties have been subjected to the misinterpretation of the tax law. The original wording was fair and clear.

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This was no misinterpretation of tax law.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

How do you tell the true grassroots Tparty from the ones subverted by corporate donors for elections? You know how Army did? Are you saying all those groups with TPARTY as a name are unaffiliated?

They all look alike to me.

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The fact is the IRS ONLY targeted small groups as I said before. They don't all look alike to the jackbooted thugs at Gestapo central.

Getting back on track again, I repeat, "this is about a jackbooted government agency violating our trust, our rights in targeting political enemies. Not only that but they avoided the power players that can afford to defend themselves, which would have exposed this conspiracy - they used the full force of the U.S. government to harass and intimidate the little guys for daring to be concerned about the direction the country was headed and covered it up until after the election.

This is as clearcut an example of betrayal by our government as it gets, it cannot be excused and shame on anyone that tries."

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

This was no misinterpretation of tax law.

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I use "misintepretation" very loosely. "Exclusively" was changed to "primarily." Why hasn't anyone complained before now?

Why complain WG when the goal is hide the money?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I use "misintepretation" very loosely. "Exclusively" was changed to "primarily." Why hasn't anyone complained before now?

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I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not interested in diversions, there is nothing unclear about this other than how high did it go?

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I repeat, "this is about a jackbooted government agency violating our trust, our rights in targeting political enemies. Not only that but they avoided the power players that can afford to defend themselves, which would have exposed this conspiracy - they used the full force of the U.S. government to harass and intimidate the little guys for daring to be concerned about the direction the country was headed and covered it up until after the election.

This is as clearcut an example of betrayal by our government as it gets, it cannot be excused and shame on anyone that tries."

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not interested in diversions, there is nothing unclear about this other than how high did it go?

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So you don't care that the wording of the tax code has been slyly changed to allow a broader interpretation of what a tax-deductible charity is?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So you don't care that the wording of the tax code has been slyly changed to allow a broader interpretation of what a tax-deductible charity is?

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Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to discuss your wording thingy feel free to start a new thread.

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"this is about a jackbooted government agency violating our trust, our rights in targeting political enemies. Not only that but they avoided the power players that can afford to defend themselves, which would have exposed this conspiracy - they used the full force of the U.S. government to harass and intimidate the little guys for daring to be concerned about the direction the country was headed and covered it up until after the election.

This is as clearcut an example of betrayal by our government as it gets, it cannot be excused and shame on anyone that tries."

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The Washington Examiner is reporting that the lower level IRS employees in Cincinnati are now leaking in self-defense. “Everything comes from the top.” No kidding . The Obots won't get away with this blame the low level op this time.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/anonym...rticle/2530001

Actually, Tea Party Groups Gave the IRS Lots of Good Reasons to Be Interested | Mother Jones

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In 2010, an ethics complaint and lawsuit against King Street Patriots alleged illegal political activity, and last year a Texas judge agreed, ruling that the organization was not a nonprofit but in fact was operating like a political action committee and illegally helping the GOP.

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More than one aspect of TheTeaParty.net/STI's forays into politics might have triggered a closer look from the IRS. Its founders initially set up the group as both a 501(c)(4) and a political action committee that it registered with the FEC—as a single entity. That was a clear violation of the non-profit rules on political activity, as Backer himself acknowledged to me. (The group eventually shut down the PAC.) In 2012, when the group sought to create a "leadership fund" in hopes of collecting unlimited campaign contributions, it ran afoul of federal campaign finance rules; it ended up suing the FEC, arguing that the agency should be prevented from enforcing those laws against it (and it lost).

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I could go on but the article speaks for itself and that's obvious the TParty bears a closer scrutiny when it comes to tax dollars. The big groups have lawyers, the smaller grassroots one do NOT and appear to have a problem navigating the system.

They lose in court too, when they sue. What does that tell you?

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Actually, Tea Party Groups Gave the IRS Lots of Good Reasons to Be Interested | Mother Jones





I could go on but the article speaks for itself and that's obvious the TParty bears a closer scrutiny when it comes to tax dollars. The big groups have lawyers, the smaller grassroots one do NOT and appear to have a problem navigating the system.

They lose in court too, when they sue. What does that tell you?

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Huh? So you're against equal protection and for jackbooted thuggery by our government? You're defending the big money groups and dismissing the little guy's concerns? What?

Why does the IRS' ADMITTED betrayal of the American people not pi$$ you off? There are no excuses, no justifications for this Tal. None.

I can't believe this ! Even the Emperor claims to be outraged at this .

Coincidence ? According to White House visitor logs ;the head of the IRS employees Union ;the National Treasury Employees Union(NTEU)Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm on March 31,2010.
Now according to the IG report of the IRS one day later ,on April 1 - 2 ,2010 'The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed'.

The NTEU PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

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coincidence ? According to White House visitor logs ;the head of the IRS employees Union ;the National Treasury Employees Union(NTEU)Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm on March 31,2010.
Now according to the IG report of the IRS one day later ,on April 1 - 2 ,2010 'The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed'.

The NTEU PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

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Coincidence? Uh, no.

They say the official reason for the visit was unrelated . But that doesn't mean unofficial marching orders weren't exchanged.

The marching orders have a mysterious way of metastasizing to other agencies.

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Over the weekend, True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht discussed with Huckabee how, after applying for tax-exempt status in 2010, she’s had 17 different interactions with several different federal agencies, including the FBI, IRS, OSHA, Commission on Environmental Quality, and the ATF.

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That would be the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality her business also received a visit from in 2012 based on an alleged complaint they couldn't provide details for. I doubt that was a coincidence either.

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Lois Lerner, the top IRS official who is at the center of the controversy for the targeting of tea party and other conservative groups, will refuse to answer questions at a congressional hearing Wednesday and invoke her Fifth Amendment rights, ABC News has learned.

She is set to appear before the House Oversight Committee. Congressional aides said today that they received a notice from Lerner’s lawyers that she would not answer their questions because it is now part of a criminal investigation.

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IRS Official Lois Lerner to Take the Fifth - ABC News

That was inevitable given Speaker Bonehead asking who would go to jail over the scandal . But the truth will come out because the ops in the Cincinnati office are not going to take the fall for following instructions.

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“She has not committed any crime or made any misrepresentation, but under the circumstances she has no choice but to take this course,” according to a letter that her lawyer, William Taylor, sent to Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the committee, which was first reported by the Los Angeles Times.

Taylor asked that Lerner be granted a reprieve from appearing before the committee, saying it has “no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.” A congressional aide told ABC News that she is still expected to appear Wednesday.

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She wants to avoid embarrassment or burden? Wonder if she was ever concerned about the embarrassment or burden to the citizens that were being targeted?? Probably not . They were just these crazy people in funny tri-cornered hats.

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IRS Official Lois Lerner to Take the Fifth - ABC News

that was inevitable given Speaker Bonehead asking who would go to jail over the scandal . But the truth will come out because the ops in the Cincinnati office are not going to take the fall for following instructions.

She wants to avoid embarrassment or burden? Wonder if she was ever concerned about the embarrassment or burden to the citizens that were being targeted ??? Probably not . They were just these crazy people in funny tri-cornered hats.

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You just can't make this stuff up - the woman that gave concerned citizens an IRS rectal exam can't be burdened. By the way, did you know she has a history of doing the same thing at the FEC? Page 2 is quite interesting.

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You just can't make this stuff up - the woman that gave concerned citizens an IRS rectal exam can't be burdened. By the way, did you know she has a history of doing the same thing at the FEC? Page 2 is quite interesting.

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So you are saying she is someone's attack dog

The best response to Lerner taking the fifth on Twitter:

@Popehat IRS Official to Reaffirm Importance of Constitutional Rights