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Sunday night in my fair city, two black men entered a local store and gunned down the store owner, a Hispanic man described as "an easygoing, friendly man."
When are the national media, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the New Black Panthers going to come seek justice for this man's family?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
When?? Never.. Why?? Because that issue isn't the same as the Trayvon issue... You think they are. They're not. That's where the right wing misses the boat. I don't know HOW that happens, but it does.
Let me explain again. This isn't about Zimmerman, or Trayvon, or black people, or Latin people. It has to do with racist cops/prosecutors and the law that allows people to shoot first and ask questions afterwards... Those ARE national issues.
I'm going to save the above, because I know I'll have to use it again. Or maybe I DO know.. You just don't want to discuss the national issues that this killing signifies, so you PRETEND they're not there.
excon
No it isn't the same. It's the same as the weekend in Chicago tom mentioned. The race baiters' time would be better served addressing the problems in their own community instead of stirring up racial tensions unnecessarily. Their perpetual outrage is misdirected. That's my point and I'm sticking to it.
When problems are not addressed and solved fairly, you can expect perpetual outrage, and maybe you can't see how race plays a part of this unfair application of the law, but you do have to acknowledge the fact that its happening all over the place, and if those who wish to shed light on what was swept under the rug are race baiters, then so be it, but you cannot deny what's happening, and see travesty and injustice as crime can you. The crime is in the system, and to lump institutional racism with street crimes, is an act of denial.
If you cannot separate the two, then you cannot resolve either. That's my point, and I will stick to that!
Not convinced there was an "unfair application of the law " in this case . The assumption that I don't accept is that the local cops or the DA did not arrest Zimmerman in the face of compelling evidence that he should be arrested .
Last weekend there was a shooting in a Miami funeral parlor that claimed 14 shot and 2 killed . One of the victims was 5-year-old Mckayla Bazile,who was shot in the leg .
I want to know why isn't Al Sharpton up here in NY protesting what is a horrible incident that happened about the same time as the Martin shooting ? Marine veteran Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr's crime was rolling over onto his medical alert device and setting off it's alarm. That led to a tragic killing worthy of a Shakespearean farce.
Marine vet shot, killed by cops - New York Daily NewsQuote:
Chamberlain, who lived alone, suffered from a chronic heart condition and wore a pendant to signal LifeAid, a medical alert company, in case of trouble. That morning, the company called police after the pendant went off and Chamberlain failed to respond to a two-way audiobox installed in his apartment. He appears to have accidentally set off the device while he was sleeping. A LifeAid employee then requested that a squad car go by the house to check on him. When police arrived, they started banging on his door. Chamberlain yelled out to them that he was all right, that they weren't needed. The dead man's son, Kenneth Chamberlain Jr. and a pair of lawyers said LifeAid's audiobox recorded every sound inside the apartment. They listened to the recording in February in the office of Westchester County District Attorney Janet DiFiore, though authorities have not released it publicly. According to the official police version, the officers heard loud noises inside and thought someone else might be in danger. They said they needed to force their way inside to make sure everything was okay. But Chamberlain refused to open the door for them, according to the lawyers who listened to the audio recording. He was angry at being disturbed by the loud banging and by several police cars and fire engines. He became increasingly agitated as he saw more police arriving with guns drawn. A nearly hour-long standoff ensued. Chamberlain's niece, Tonyia Greenhill, who lived in an apartment upstairs, came down and tried to talk with police, but was ignored. Her uncle sounded scared and was begging the police through the door to leave him alone, she recalled. One of the family's lawyers is Mayo Bartlett, a former Westchester assistant district attorney. He and the dead man's son said someone can be heard screaming at Chamberlain on the LifeAid tape: “I don't give a f--k, n----r, open the door!” One of the people banging outside was also reportedly heard yelling: “I need to use your bathroom to pee!” Others were taunting Chamberlain's military service after they discovered he was a former Marine. The LifeAid dispatcher, who was listening to every word of the commotion, offers at one point to contact family members of Chamberlain to intercede, and even tries to cancel the call for police assistance. But a police officer is heard saying “We don't need any mediators,” according to the lawyers. Two other video cameras captured part of the events that night, and the family and its lawyers have seen those as well. One is a security camera in the hall of the building. Another is attached to the stun gun police used. Those reportedly show police prying the door partly open. At one point, according to Kenneth Chamberlain Jr. a metal object is slipped through the gap in the door and falls in the hallway. “It's hard to tell what it is, but that could be what police are saying was a hatchet,” the son said. The tape runs for several more minutes while cops and firefighters work to remove the hinges to the door. When they finally do, a camera reveals Chamberlain Sr. standing inside his apartment, wearing only boxer shorts, with his arms at his side and his hands empty, according to the son and the family's lawyers. “The minute they got in the house, they didn't even give him one command,” Bartlett said. “They never mentioned 'put your hands up.' They never told him to lay down on the bed. The first thing they did... you could see the Taser light up... and you could see it going directly toward him.” Why anyone would use a stun gun on a man with a known heart condition is astounding in itself. But the cameras don't capture anything more after that point, according to the son and lawyers. Police say Chamberlain later came at them with a knife, and one cop fired two shots. More than four months after the incident, authorities have refused to identify that cop.
This case is much more representative of the point you are trying to make. But the race baiters have clinged to the Martin case even as the narrative have unravelled as the facts have been revealled .
Hello again:
If one of MY favorite lobbying groups was getting KILLED by these protests, I'd want you to look over THERE and NOT over here, too..
Alec is such a friendly name. So is toast.
Bwa, ha ha ha.
excon
For every NRA there are equivant Brady Campaigns . You guys are selective about which lobby groups you would legally curtail.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah, we are. You aren't?
But we don't want to curtail them "LEGALLY", as you imply, but ECONOMICALLY, which works so much better and faster too.
excon
Like unions, who are arguing in Indiana that the right-to-work law violates their free speech because making union dues voluntary cuts their funding.
Ba ha ha ha ha!
Funny that corporations are people too, and allows for unlimited, undesclosed "free speech", but unions are not, and need to be restricted. But you are the guy, hardworking blue collar, that thinks that its okay for those corporations and the rich to be called "job creators", while the extract money from the economy and create sweat shops overseas for profit.
You can't afford to help poor, and working poor, or victims of the job creators not creating jobs, but you allow those that have raked in all kinds of loot, to rake in even more.
And they still have not lived up to the label of "job creators"! You and Tom won't be happy until all the work for middle class families is done in a sweat shop, and the poor are deported, or dead.
You guys are good at villifying those that are denied equal treatment, and protection under the law, because equal, and fair are dirty words to the right.
45 pages?/ There is a lot more there than just ONE argument. Read it!This is from your link,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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The argument is just one of many tucked into the hefty 45-page brief the union filed in federal court late last month in response to the state's motion to dismiss the lawsuit. A hearing on the state's motion is scheduled for April 26 in U.S. District Court in Hammond.
Along with other arguments based on state and federal constitutions and federal labor law, the union cites the 2010 Citizens United decision, which struck down on free-speech grounds restrictions on corporations' and union spending on advertising endorsing or opposing certain candidates.
That's why I furnish the source so you guys can make up your own minds. So how many people were forced to give money to Citizens United?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Forced, a bunch of rich people with the same agenda, and bookoo bucks?? RICH people united would be a far more accurate title.
Again... who else forces members to contribute in the form of dues; and contribute them to politicians for favors ?
I am a union member, and have never been forced to do anything. Union dues are no more forced than country club dues. Your facts are severely twisted, and ill informed.
Um, don't you live in Texas, a right to work state?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well, the special prosecutor is set to press charges against Zimmerman says WaPo. Let the system do its thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Interesting.. one DA told the cops that there was not enough evidence to charge ;and the special prosecutor comes down with the most severe charges she could've filed.. 2nd Degree murder. That is quite a leap.
Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.
Second Degree Murder Definition - FindLaw
Best guess is that the prosecutor has her hands on some evidence that was not available to the kangaroo court of public opinion.
Just because Wal Marts has no union, doesn't mean Ford doesn't. A right to work state doesn't make unions illegal for anyone. The workers can decide if they want to form one or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If it weren't for local unions, you would not have the benefits you have now.
Thought you knew that.
Finally the process of justice can began for Trayvon Martin, based on facts and not feelings, under due process, and equal protection under the law. As I recall that's what the so called race baiter's were asking for. Not take the shooters word for self defense, and let him go!
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Don't forget the keystone cops and/or the local prosecutor. It was THEIR job to find the evidence in the first place. Somehow, they MISSED it.
These charges would NOT have happened WITHOUT the public pressure brought by LEFT WINGERS, that you so decried.. Righty's wanted us to look at Chicago. Look at Texas.. Look ANYWHERE but Sanford, Florida. What you've missed from the beginning, is the fact that in ALL of those cases you pointed us to, the state said that a CRIME occurred. In Trayvons case, the STATE said nothing happened. THAT is what the outrage was about. I don't know how that got by you. Frankly, I'd be ashamed to be on the side of a law that allows people to shoot first and ask questions afterwards..
Besides, aren't you the guys who b1tch and moan about criminals getting off on a technicality?? Isn't this law nothing more than a technicality?? It IS!
excon
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