What needs to be done is make the RICH people pay their taxes. What really galls me is when I worked for a man who was onlyworth $300.000,000 (that's 300 million with an M) he paid practically NO taxes and was very proud that he had super smart people working for him that he happily paid to make sure he paid LESS taxes per year than I did! He should be made to pay his share and not be able to take advantage of all those swell loopholes his employees could find. Pelosi needs to pay her fair share also. She talks out of both sides of her mouth saying rich people should pay more taxes. Betcha she'll never vote on that in a million years. Most rich people get that way as they pay practically no taxes and bank the money.

AND make the corporations pay their proper tax OR bring our jobs back from overseas to get ANY kind of tax break. Hey, they got tax breaks when they mailed our jobs overseas, now let's make them pay OR bring our jobs back here. Makes too much sense to me.

I figured this would be a down to the wire photo finish on this "deal" and it was. BUT it really didn't solve one blasted thing - except protect the rich who don't come up with any real jobs and protect the corporations who happily send our jobs overseas. And cutting the entitlement programs went nowhere as well.

And we need to shut down the "wars" that the USA is currently in that are not wars at all but a dumping trough of money for Haliburton to cash in. Bring all troops home. We cannot be the babysitter for the world. Think of all the money that would save in a few months! But no, Bammy wants his wars as he is now a dictator and has delusions of grandeur.

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What needs to be done is make the RICH people pay their taxes. What really galls me is when I worked for a man who was onlyworth $300.000,000 (that's 300 million with an M) he paid practically NO taxes and was very proud that he had super smart people working for him that he happily paid to make sure he paid LESS taxes per year than I did!! He should be made to pay his share and not be able to take advantage of all those swell loopholes his employees could find. Pelosi needs to pay her fair share also. She talks out of both sides of her mouth saying rich people should pay more taxes. Betcha she'll never vote on that in a million years. Most rich people get that way as they pay practically no taxes and bank the money.

AND make the corporations pay their proper tax OR bring our jobs back from overseas to get ANY kind of tax break. Hey, they got tax breaks when they mailed our jobs overseas, now let's make them pay OR bring our jobs back here. Makes too much sense to me.

I figured this would be a down to the wire photo finish on this "deal" and it was. BUT it really didn't solve one blasted thing - except protect the rich who don't come up with any real jobs and protect the corporations who happily send our jobs overseas. And cutting the entitlement programs went nowhere as well.

And we need to shut down the "wars" that the USA is currently in that are not wars at all but a dumping trough of money for Haliburton to cash in. Bring all troops home. We cannot be the babysitter for the world. Think of all the money that would save in a few months!! But no, Bammy wants his wars as he is now a dictator and has delusions of grandeur.

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Hi Twinkie you make some good points but you know there are people here that are protesting that the USA is not Greece but the problems common that are to both, high debt, poor employment situation and people not paying tax make the comparison valid. Because of this Greece is on the ropes with only a few billion comparitavely in debt and there are people in the US saying hey we are big, we are nothing like Greece, it's not going to happen to us. I would like to see the US pull back, not to be isolationist, but less involved in solving the world's problems and exploiting. Only today Putin (Russia) called the US a parasite, so it is time to swat that blood suckin mosquito

What nation will fill the vacuum ? Maybe some regional hegemons ? Twinks problem should be redirected .It's not the boss . The boss is living with rules the boss didn't create . A simpler tax system would at very least increase the unemployment rate of tax accountants and lawyers .

By the way Canada ;who's economy is doing very well ;dropped their corporate tax rates to 15%

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REALITY CHECK-That "crowd" is here, and we seem to needall the cops and jailers etc, we can get. AND THEN SOME, because they seem to be multiplying faster than you can jail 'em.

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So you Agree with me then... because that's exactly what I was saying.

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

What needs to be done is make the RICH people pay their taxes. What really galls me is when I worked for a man who was onlyworth $300.000,000 (that's 300 million with an M) he paid practically NO taxes and was very proud that he had super smart people working for him that he happily paid to make sure he paid LESS taxes per year than I did!! He should be made to pay his share and not be able to take advantage of all those swell loopholes his employees could find. Pelosi needs to pay her fair share also. She talks out of both sides of her mouth saying rich people should pay more taxes. Betcha she'll never vote on that in a million years. Most rich people get that way as they pay practically no taxes and bank the money.

AND make the corporations pay their proper tax OR bring our jobs back from overseas to get ANY kind of tax break. Hey, they got tax breaks when they mailed our jobs overseas, now let's make them pay OR bring our jobs back here. Makes too much sense to me.

I figured this would be a down to the wire photo finish on this "deal" and it was. BUT it really didn't solve one blasted thing - except protect the rich who don't come up with any real jobs and protect the corporations who happily send our jobs overseas. And cutting the entitlement programs went nowhere as well.

And we need to shut down the "wars" that the USA is currently in that are not wars at all but a dumping trough of money for Haliburton to cash in. Bring all troops home. We cannot be the babysitter for the world. Think of all the money that would save in a few months!! But no, Bammy wants his wars as he is now a dictator and has delusions of grandeur.

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How about the nearly half the population that pay no federal taxes now... and worse... get taxpayers money handed to them. Make them pay their fair share... after all, the unproductive half of society should have their free ride brought to a sudden stop.

Let every breathing citizen pay an equal share and see if the idea of entitlements become less palitable to them when they have to pay for them out of their OWN pockets.

I don't see a bunch of non-taxpaying leeches creating jobs or hiring anyone.

Its this idea that coprorations and the so called "rich" should foot the bill for the lazy ones too that's causing the crappy economy.

If I was really rich... and not just so-called rich... think I would be opening myself up to lose everything... hell no... I'd cut back and try to save what I actually worked hard to earn before the looters try to take it all. Even if it means moving it off-shore.

This socialist concept of "Spread the wealth" is what's killing the economy.

Why would anyone work hard if some sloth is going to be profiting while they draw their welfare check and breeding like rabbits because they don't actually work for a living... at the expense of the ones doing ALL the work.

How abiout the concept of you are only entitled to what you actually worked for? THAT is what creates jobs... and makes for a healthy economy.

A high-school dropout isn't entitled to a share of what a PHD that works his butt of to earn makes.

The dropout picked his path in life... the easy way out... he isn't entitled to a penny more than he earns himself.


I have to live within my budget, exactly why shouldn't the government do the same.

Your lumping every poor person into the same "lazy" bucket is typical of right wing pseudo facts. Since most are children, disabled, and elderly. What do you say for the 45 year old with 15 years on the job, 4 kids and a mortgage, who was laid off last year? Screw him too huh?? Or the guy who works at McDonald's or Walmart, with a few kids, who can't afford a car so he catches a bus back, and forth, and rents? Screw him too huh?

No wonder you can't see beyond your own hate, since you broad brush and categorize every one as beneath you, therefore, THE PROBLEM!! I sincerely hope you can evolve beyond your own simplicity, and see the real problems we face, and not be so influenced by your own prejudices. What are you running for president of the Tea Party or something??

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Your lumping every poor person into the same "lazy" bucket is typical of right wing pseudo facts. Since most are children, disabled, and elderly. What do you say for the 45 year old with 15 years on the job, 4 kids and a mortgage, who was laid off last year? Screw him too huh??? Or the guy who works at McDonald's or Walmart, with a few kids, who can't afford a car so he catches a bus back, and forth, and rents? Screw him too huh?

No wonder you can't see beyond your own hate, since you broad brush and categorize every one as beneath you, therefore, THE PROBLEM!!!! I sincerely hope you can evolve beyond your own simplicity, and see the real problems we face, and not be so influenced by your own prejudices. What are you running for president of the Tea Party or something???

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Your lumping every poor person into the same "lazy" bucket is typical of right wing pseudo facts. Since most are children, disabled, and elderly. What do you say for the 45 year old with 15 years on the job, 4 kids and a mortgage, who was laid off last year? Screw him too huh??? Or the guy who works at McDonald's or Walmart, with a few kids, who can't afford a car so he catches a bus back, and forth, and rents? Screw him too huh?

No wonder you can't see beyond your own hate, since you broad brush and categorize every one as beneath you, therefore, THE PROBLEM!!!! I sincerely hope you can evolve beyond your own simplicity, and see the real problems we face, and not be so influenced by your own prejudices. What are you running for president of the Tea Party or something???

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Oh... I upset the poor Liberal.. Liberals believe people are NEVER responsible for the choices they make in life... ever.

Its wasn't THEIR fault they are lazy... it wasn't THEIR fault they dropped out of school or didn't study. Its not THEIR fault they rather play on the X Box than working to impriove themselves because that's too much like work... but oh... lazy wasn't their fault.

Its MY fault they refuse to get off their butts or apply themselves... because I sucked all the motivation out of the air and kept it to myself.

I know plenty of disabled people that aren't fat and/or lazy... so that's not a valid excuse.

I know a woman that works three part time jobs... raised TWO kids as a single parent with no child support (put one through Military school in high school... ) managed to buy TWO houses in a nice area near where I live... and did it as a house keeper (all three are as a housekeeper part time).

Want to talk about predjudices... try looking at your own for once.

I grew up around this stuff and a lot of those people... I know how they think better than most.

You can sit down and whine about things... or you can suck it up and do what you have to. Until you grew up in Pittsburgh during the Jimmy Carter years... you don't know how hard it can get... local unemployment rates exceeded 30% in the late 70's because when the Steel industry collapsed due to Japanese dumping... the coal mines got hit equally hard. So yeah... I saw 50 year old men bagging groceries and anything else they could find to make ends meet.

And yeah... my father was one of them. He had several part time jobs as well as did my mother... I still got into and attended college (100% sudent loans) and had a part time job to pay my gas and insurance.

Liberals whine and complain and blame others... Conservatives get off their butts and find what they can and keep looking to get something better. Because they will eventually.

There are some people who can't even afford to pay their own medical bills, can you believe that!

I personally am of the opinion that it is BOTH sides.

I hate paying for Welfare. It ticks me off to no end.

But I ALSO hate that people who are TRULY rich get out of paying taxes through all sorts of shelters and tax breaks.

I work my butt off every single day at a job I HATE right now. I have no problem giving a hand UP to people who are also willing to work their butts off. I hate giving hand OUTS to people who have no concept of "work" and "personal responsibility".

And frankly--I'm REALLY tired of paying for kids that people have that they can't afford. If you can't afford your kid, either choose adoption or keep your legs crossed so the kid doesn't exist in the first place. Don't burden taxpayers because you can't control your sexual urges.

BUT---don't let large corporations continue to screw the general public. And they ARE in this country right now, thanks to Keynes and his economic policies that the rich jumped ALL OVER for the last 30 years---even though there is PROOF that Keynesian economics ONLY works for the rich.

We may be equal under the law, but we all don't have the same options, or opportunities that you seem to think we have, so we don't all have the same choices then do we? I laid out some very specific instances to you, and instead of debate and solutions you fall back on ideology, and venom. That's the problem! Not the choices people make.

Right now, people don't have a lot of choices. I suppose you do though, you educated hard working devil. There are a lot of educated, hard working devils, trying to eat, yet they have no choices. Nice to have choices, and you should be grateful for yours, because on the whim of someone else, your choices can be extremely limited.

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There are some people who can't even afford to pay their own medical bills, can you believe that!?

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But I bet they have Cell phones , and X box and Cable TV. And eat out.

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We may be equal under the law, but we all don't have the same options, or opportunities that you seem to think we have, so we don't all have the same choices then do we? I laid out some very specific instances to you, and instead of debate and solutions you fall back on ideology, and venom. THATS the problem! Not the choices people make.

Right now, people don't have a lot of choices. I suppose you do though, you educated hard working devil. There are a lot of educated, hard working devils, trying to eat, yet they have no choices. Nice to have choices, and you should be grateful for yours, because on the whim of someone else, your choices can be extremely limited.

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Grow up in an economicly depressed corner of rural Southwest PA that has NEVER had a lot of choices in the best of times... I have...

You always have options... but you have to work hard to exercise them.

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But I bet they have Cell phones , and X box and Cable tv. And eat out.

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Having worked at a collection agency trying to get some of these people to pay their bills--*GREENIE*

They can have multiple kids, too... especially since each kid ups how much aid they get.

Look--I have a sister on Welfare. I know that some people really NEED the help--she basically gets food stamps and some medical help because her good-for-nothing ex doesn't pay child support AND hasn't put the kids on his insurance like he's supposed to. Court hearing after court hearing later, he still has gotten nothing more than a slap on the wrist for it. She works two jobs trying to make ends meet for their FIVE kids. She basically just wants help making sure her kids are healthy. And she does NOT have cable, any video game systems, and her cell phone is provided by her job or she wouldn't have that either. She doesn't eat out (but her EX sure does!), doesn't buy anything absolutely unnecessary, and uses coupons for EVERYTHING. THOSE people need help.

The people on my block collecting their Welfare checks, but who have a better car, phone, and clothing than I do can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned though.

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But I bet they have Cell phones , and X box and Cable TV. And eat out.

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I don't know, do you?

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... before I start trying to find a lawyer I can hardly afford to pay about a bill I can't afford to pay

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I don't know, do you?

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I know for sure... HOMLESS people walk around here talk on cell phones... I can't even afford to have my own because it would mean taking money out of my 401K contributions to pay for it. Because Social Security likely won't be there because fat lazy people collect it that never paid a dime into it.
I eat out maybe ONCE a month (and its always less than $20 for the total bill for me and my wife)... I don't own an Xbox OR playstation OR a WII.


SO you know THAT person personally... you know where every cent they pay goes... and they have no extravagances.. Cable TV.. Cell phones... game boxes and eating out even at McDonalds ARE extravagances.

Or is it they really don't want to give up something to pay for something else which is likely the real issue.

I hear people whining all the time and yet there they are... surfing the web on their cell phone... running up $200+ monthly charges when a wired home internet connection would cost about $20 for a basic one. And they don't have any money... like I'm hardly supprised the way they throw it around.

I'm convinced, I am moving to your zip code.

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I'm convinced, I am moving to your zip code.

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Actually you could do far worse... It's not my favorite part of the country... but in my job sector there are more jobs than some areas. That's why I am here. I can rattle off a long list of places I'd rather be. You do what you have to do.

I came from a LOWER class family. We didn't have meat unless my dad went hunting. We CERTAINLY never ate out and didn't have a TV until I was in high school, much less have cable.

I WORKED my way out of that.

And I'm a white female, so don't tell me I had a ton more opportunities than someone else. Poor white "trash" has fewer opportunities than any minority class.

You MAKE opportunities by CHOOSING the things that will pull you up instead of pulling you down---like I chose adoption instead of raising my child at 17.

EVERYONE makes choices. I shouldn't have to support another 17 year old who isn't strong enough to choose adoption just because she wants to raise her kid. Either her FAMILY should do that, or she should do it on her own---or she should make better choices. End of story.

EVERYONE makes choices EVERY day about whether they'll pull themselves up from where they are.