You expected her to offer praise? You asked who created the uncertainty and I answered - those who claim ownership of the economy, Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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You expected her to offer praise? You asked who created the uncertainty and I answered - those who claim ownership of the economy, Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We are a year past Obama's "recovery summer" and the DNC chair claimed ownership of the economy. I'm just giving credit where credit was taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Not having a job, is uncertainty
Not knowing if you can stay in your house, is uncertainty
Not knowing if you can see a doctor, is uncertainty.
Not knowing if you will lose what little you have, is uncertainty.
Having a few trillion under your a$$, AIN'T uncertainty, its hoarding. A luxury that few have. Who owns the economy? Ask the few who stand in the way of progress. Ask the few who sit on wealth, and don't circulate it. Ask the few who cannot compromise or give a darn thing to live up to what's expected of those that have.
Ask the few, who do nothing but blame everyone, and everything else, for what they are unwilling to do. Create jobs. When you have a few trillion, thats NOT uncertainty.that's LEVERAGE!
My question was rhetorical.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Look Tal, you can demonize big business all you want, I have my own beefs with them at times, too. BUT, big business didn't get big by being stupid. Bottom line is they have the same goals as small business, to make money and grow. Their primary responsibility is to make money for their investors, not save the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If you find that cruel that's your problem but business - large or small - typically doesn't do anything that isn't aimed at that primary responsibility. Even this trend of businesses going "green" is about making money. It's good PR, plain and simple.
Example, we sell fire alarms made by Siemens, a huge global company. They are "committed to minimizing our own impact on the environment through our policies, practices and performance," so they say.
You know what I see? One of the world's great paper wasters. I sent them a PO this year that was 2 pages. When shipped, I received over half a pound of paper just in packing lists - 48 pages. The invoice was 6 pages. They don't care, it's all about making money. How much money do you think Al Gore has made on climate change? Hmmm?
Everyone is in it for the money and looking out for number one, and Barack Obama is a prime example of that very thing. He doesn't care about anything but advancing himself. If he cared, he would get out of the way of America's ability to prosper which would lead to more jobs. But as long as he continues to be a "wet blanket" on the economy, business is going to be cautious and new jobs are going to be scarce.
Yup... it's about looking out for profits and damn anything else.
Thank you, that's Keynesian Economics 101.
Ask the former Soviet Union and Venezuela how well that worked out for them.
Must not have been too rhetorical, you responded to my response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You totally missed my point, so I tried to make it with a quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Wynn is a lifetime Dem who until now was a big time Obama supporter. I suspect we'll see more of this in the coming months . Former boss of GE Jeff Immelt has spoken out .So did Buffett .and of course what is happening to Boeing is criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Please, enough of your condescension. It's totally unbecoming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
There was absolutely no condescension in any of her posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I find it condescending to be told I don't get it, as in "You totally missed my point." No, I didn't miss the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Be nice, or Ben will come close this on us.
Ya know, I thought the purpose of these member forums was to take it off the main boards and allow us to "have at it" a little bit. N'est-ce pas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Holy crap, that was perfect - mes félicitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well thank you. I don't recall a lot but I did take 2 years of French. Why a Texan would need to know French is beyond me but the teacher was a babe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Wynn of course isn't the only guy complaining about the business climate under Obama:
And I can't forget how Waxman's committee wanted to put their boot to the neck of John Deer, Caterpillar, Verizon and AT&T last year. But what's being a "wet blanket" to business and job creation as long as the regime gets its "shared sacrifice" and Obama gets reelected?Quote:
• 3M's George Buckley, who blasted Obama last February as anti-business. "We know what his instincts are," Buckley said. "We've got a real choice between manufacturing in Canada or Mexico — which tends to be more pro-business — and America," he told the Financial Times.
• Boeing's Jim McNerney, who in the Wall Street Journal last May called Obama's handpicked National Labor Relations Board's suit against his company a "fundamental assault on the capitalist principles that have sustained America's competitiveness since it became the world's largest economy nearly 140 years ago."
• Intel's Paul Otellini, who told CNET last August that the U.S. legal environment has become so hostile to business that there is likely to be "an inevitable erosion and shift of wealth, much like we're seeing today in Europe — this is the bitter truth."
• Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus, who observed to radio host Hugh Hewitt last month that Obama "never had to make payroll," that "nobody has ever created a job in this administration" and that the president is "surrounded by college professors."
• GE's Jeffrey Immelt, one of Obama's biggest supporters, who hit out at the president last year. "Business did not like the U.S. president and the president did not like business," the FT reported him saying. "People are in a really bad mood. We have to become an industrial powerhouse again, but you don't do this when government and entrepreneurs are not in sync."
• Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, another Obama backer, who blasted Obama's bank tax in January 2010 as a "guilt tax," once called Obama's carbon tax idea "regressive" and this month denounced Obama's obsession with corporate jets.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You can continue to believe BIG businessmen, who can afford to SIT on the sidelines with their MILLIONS, or you can believe a guy who actually RUNS a small business...
The FACT of the matter is, in ALL my years as an entrepreneur, I've NEVER made a decision based on the "business climate". In fact, I NEVER knew what the business climate was, because it was absolutely IRRELEVANT to my business decisions...
Let me clue you in on another myth... In the 30 years I've RUN company's, there's NEVER been a period of "certainty". That would be NEVER! If you think businessmen WAIT till there's "certainty", there would be NO business. There was ALWAYS some agency trying to increase my costs, and butting into my business. That's the way it IS. I don't like it, but I adjust my costs to REFLECT it, and move on. What I DON'T do, is WAIT on the sidelines... BIG businessmen don't do that, either. BIG businessmen have POLITICAL agendas. But, NONE of them would sit on the sidelines if somebody wanted to buy what they're selling.
Take Boeing for example. You've been complaining about how Obama is treating Boeing... He musta REALLY hit them with a "wet blanket". They'll never get any business... Poor Boeing... I'm SURE they'll keep their capital on the SIDELINES, in SPITE of the HUMONGOUS order they just got for airplanes... So much for wet blankets.
excon
Yup. But not to the point where we're being mean to each other. We can disagree--but we have to be respectful about it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It hadn't gotten bad yet--just pointing out that if it kept going, it was probably going to come to Ben's attention.
I'm all for being respectful... but that seems to be quite a subjective subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
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