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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I guess you're just way too smart for me, dude. I don't find it necessary to over-think and over-analyze everything. When I read an alleged quote by someone who is in the business of "watching" the media, I believe it to be true until they object. That is only logical.

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Hi Speech,

It has nothing to do with being smart or over analyzing. It is simply a question of thinking about what you say.

You don't see a problem in believing an alleged quote to be true until someone proves it false.

At best an 'alleged' means an accusation. At worst it means doubtful.
How does 'true' fit in here other than by way of belief?

Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

It has nothing to do with being smart or over analyzing. It is simply a question of thinking about what you say.

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As I asked earlier, is all news reporting merely theoretical until proven otherwise? I offered evidence, I'm waiting for someone to offer something to the contrary. NK made the claim that I only want to hurt the other side without offering any evidence, maybe he needs to think about what he says. As for me, I'll stand on the evidence presented until someone proves it wrong.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

As I asked earlier, is all news reporting merely theoretical until proven otherwise?

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Hi Speech,

I had a look at some more of those Fox clips via the link NK provided. So the answer to that question a resounding yes.

I go back to the Beck clip on home schooling. The way that was presented shows either he is incompetent or mischievous or both. How can he present a serious news item when he left his notes in the other room. The mischievous element comes in when he attempts to tie it together from memory. The way he presented it could definitely be classed as theory and a badly worked out one at that.

It could comment on the other clips but they follow a similar pattern. Fox, or anyone else in the media should no that when it comes to presenting new/opinion as a package it is not all right to engage in speculative theorizing and believe what they have presented is true until someone can prove it false. This is a nonsense.

This leaves the door open for anyone to engage in any type of wild speculation. And then turn around and say try and prove me wrong. Also, it doesn't work to say something along the lines of- I'm not saying it is true, all I am doing is putting it out there. This is clearly mischievous.


Tut

Beck is not in the news business . He does a commentary show in the style of a cross between a school teacher and a crazed huckster evangelical.

The truth is that MM calls out mostly the commentary personalities on FOX and they make the false claim that those personalities are distorting the news ,when in fact the shows like Beck ,Hannity ,O'Reilly never claimed to be news broadcasts .

There is nothing wrong with MM being some kind of self proclaimed 'watchdog' . They cross the line when they say their mission is to take down FOX by going after their advertisers etc. with them being a C-3 charitible foundation . They cross the line from their own opinion /education format to advocacy. They could do that as a private enterprise . As a tax payer supported charity they are in violation of the tax laws ;and probably tort laws also .

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Originally Posted by TUT317

I had a look at some more of those Fox clips via the link NK provided. So the answer to that question a resounding yes.

I go back to the Beck clip on home schooling.

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Tom is absolutely right and we've pointed that out every time this Fox News dementia rears its head. Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. are not 'news' shows and Fox makes no pretense of such. Commentary and opinion shows are just that, they reflect the views of the host. Even so, these shows consistently give voice to BOTH sides so what's the beef?

If you're basing your theory on Beck then we're not even on the same page. I'm discussing news, you're judging commentary.

Edit: OK, so Beck's show may be all Beck, but the rest give voice to both sides. But again, I don't watch Beck and Beck is not a 'news' show.

Hello again,

When a Vice President of Fox says THIS on a news show, is it commentary or news?

"Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to 'spread the wealth around.' At that time, I have to admit that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched."

excon

Just read the Huffpo link . Which news show ? The cruise ship..

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Media Matters obtained audio of Bill Sammon, Fox News' Washington managing editor, speaking on a Mediterranean cruise in 2009

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.. or Greta (who does not do a news show... she does inteviews) ?

Hello again, tom:

He's a VICE PRESIDENT. He TELLS people what to say on their news shows, and they DID, 35 times before the election.

excon

So now we're pretending Huffpo is a news outlet and Fox isn't? LOL!

Seriously guys, do y'all really believe Fox News' people are the only media types that have and share opinions and present news with a bias? Really? Grow up.

I think I linked him to Fabian socialism at least that many times.
Which news shows did Sammon direct the hosts to claim Obama was a socialist ?

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The results only cover primetime cable television, thus, this analysis does not cover any daytime programming. Media Matters only counted an individual's inferences once per segment; however, if the same individual expressed similar statements in a subsequent segment, that would be counted separately.

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Fox doesn't air news on Prime Time .I bet Hannity called Obama a socialist at least 35 times .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Beck is not in the news business . He does a commentary show in the style of a cross between a school teacher and a crazed huckster evangelical.
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I see... So when Beck says," A story today out of New Hampshire......." That is not news?

When O'Reilly appears on screen with the Fox News logo this is not him presenting the news?

I have changed my mind. When I said that new/opinion equals theory I was mistaken. Upon listening to the Beck tape again I think it is worse than theory it is a deliberate attempt at deception. It is a disgrace.


Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

I see....So when Beck says," A story today out of New Hampshire......." That is not news?

When O'Reilly appears on screen with the Fox News logo this is not him presenting the news?

I have changed my mind. When I said that new/opinion equals theory I was mistaken. Upon listening to the Beck tape again I think it is worse than theory it is a deliberate attempt at deception. It is a disgrace.


Tut

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You mean when Beck precedes his commentary with ," A story today out of New Hampshire......."

I assure you that when I watch the pundits on the liberal MSNBC network I understand I am watching commentary and not news. What is a disgrace is that liberals evidently can't make that distinction. What is doubley a disgrace is that network news like ABC NBC CBS are the ones that spin the news broadcasts and are considered some superior gatekeepers of the truth .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

You mean when Beck precedes his commentary with ," A story today out of New Hampshire......."

I assure you that when I watch the pundits on the liberal MSNBC network I understand I am watching commentary and not news. What is a disgrace is that liberals evidently can't make that distinction. What is doubley a disgrace is that network news like ABC NBC CBS are the ones that spin the news broadcasts and are considered some superior gatekeepers of the truth .

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Hi Tom,

My understanding of the definition of news is similar to what most people understand by the term 'news' i.e. the reporting of a recent event.

"A story today out of New Hampshire ... " The word "today' would qualify as recent. A supreme Court decision would also qualify as a news worthy story. Ergo, he is presenting news in the first instance.

I don't watch American T.V. so as far as the other networks are concerned I am happy to go along with what you have said. I am sure this type of news/opinion reporting is endemic. Perhaps you might look at the Australian model.

Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

I see... So when Beck says," A story today out of New Hampshire......." That is not news?

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The title of the show is "Glenn Beck." What might it be about?

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When O'Reilly appears on screen with the Fox News logo this is not him presenting the news?

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The title of the show is "The O'Reilly Factor." What might it be about?

Spare us your outrage, if you aren't intelligent enough to know the difference between news and commentary then you really have no business injecting your opinion on this topic.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Spare us your outrage, if you aren't intelligent enough to know the difference between news and commentary then you really have no business injecting your opinion on this topic.

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I guess your buddy tom ain't too bright as he shows his mock rage something a commentator said:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2756006-post81.html

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The title of the show is "Glenn Beck." What might it be about?



The title of the show is "The O'Reilly Factor." What might it be about?

Spare us your outrage, if you aren't intelligent enough to know the difference between news and commentary then you really have no business injecting your opinion on this topic.

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Hi Speech,

If I'm not intelligent enough to know the difference between new and opinion then that leaves a lot of Americans (including yourself) who can't tell the difference as well. This is one of my complaints. News disguised as opinion.

Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

If I'm not intelligent enough to know the difference between new and opinion then that leaves a lot of Americans (including yourself) who can't tell the difference as well. This is one of my complaints. News disguised as opinion.

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I have no problem discerning between the two. I made the distinction for you here and many times previously. You're claiming that Beck and O'Reilly are presenting themselves as "news" shows on some extremely thin evidence, that Beck used the word "story" and Fox News, the channel O'Reilly is contracted to, displays their logo during his show. What do you want them to display to advertise their brand, MSNBC? Give it up, you have no case.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I guess your buddy tom ain't too bright as he shows his mock rage something a commentator said:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2756006-post81.html

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I really do understand that Maher doesn't do news ,he does bad comedy. I was making my own commentary on what a low life scum he is .

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Perhaps you might look at the Australian model.

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If I could I'd give it a shot. My guess is that even if the news is presented straight up, that decisions made about which 'news' items make the cut display the biases of the editorial board or the station management .