Ask Me Help Desk - Another nanny state ban?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Pathetic.

Hello again, Steve:

I agree. I don't believe the state should interfere with how I spend my money... However, THIS is the natural outgrowth of laws that YOU support... Although you make fun about smoking potato's, you have NO PROBLEM hiring the nanny state to arrest and jail people who spend their money on marijuana... Apparently, you support this law for OUR OWN GOOD - a nanny state proclamation if I ever heard one. You also scream and holler about the mandate to buy insurance that's been foisted upon you... That too, is the natural progression of the same ideology that YOU support... You just want it to be ONE way - YOUR way. You want to ban the stuff YOU want banned, not the stuff YOU like. When that happens, you throw up your hands and complain about the NANNY state... But the enemy in THIS battle, my friend, is YOU.

As I've said MANY times in the past, if you want to protect YOUR liberties, you have to protect your NEIGHBORS liberties. You didn't, and we're ALL paying for it.

excon

Well at least it's gone from everything is Bush's fault to everything is my fault.

Sorry, I see no moral equivalence or natural progression in criminalizing a drug that does impair function and puts the public at risk, and banning toys for kids.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Sorry, I see no moral equivalence or natural progression in criminalizing a drug that does impair function and puts the public at risk, and banning toys for kids.

Hello again, Steve:

You STILL miss the point... It's not about the MORAL issues, it's about the LEGAL issues... Certainly, it's MORAL to pass laws that protect children from toys that get caught in their throats... Certainly, it's MORAL to pass laws that prevent people from eating food that isn't good for them... Certainly, it's MORAL to pass laws that prevent the inevitability of you and I paying for their medical bills... So, a case CAN be made for the MORALITY of the SF ban.

If you want the laws of the nation to protect MORALITY, then you're going to get laws that protect OTHER PEOPLES morality when they have POWER. It's actually BETTER to protect ALL us from everybody's morality - and let you and I spend our money as we see fit.

But, you don't get any of this... You talk about MORAL equivalence of criminalizing a drug that impairs function and puts the public at risk, yet you say NOTHING about banning alcohol, which of course, puts the public at a much greater risk than pot. So, there's nothing MORAL about your position, at all.. It's pure ideology.

excon

I don't miss the point at all, ex and I agree, alcohol is worse. Better yet, I've said before that I really don't have a problem with legalizing marijuana. I've also come out against smoking bans, so you can stop blaming me for leading to the ban of toys in Happy Meals.

In fact I find it quite ironic that the left wants to at the same time legalize pot while banning toys. What kind of a stupid message is that to send? Get as high as you want, endanger your health and the safety of others, hell we'll give you the needles to shoot your heroin and condoms to your 13 year old, but don't you dare eat chicken nuggets and play with toys.

Luckily in Ca. when it comes to moral issues voted for by referendum ,there is a cintilla of common sense left in the populace.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Luckily in Ca. when it comes to moral issues voted for by referendum ,there is a cintilla of common sense left in the populace.

Will they attack Mormons again?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't miss the point at all, What kind of a stupid message is that to send? Get as high as you want, endanger your health and the safety of others, but don't you dare eat chicken nuggets and play with toys.

Hello again, Steve:

You ABSOLUTELY, do miss the point... You're still trying to equate YOUR morality with the RIGHT morality...

You also miss a couple of other things... You think the legalization issue is about "getting as high as you want". Nothing could be further from the truth. What it really is, is an acknowledgment of the failed drug war, and a REAL attempt to DO, what the drug war purports to do, but FAILS to do. That's to keep pot OUT of the hands of children... If it's legal, and sold in places where ID's can be checked, and poisons can be detected, we'll protect our children BETTER than we have been. Right now, they buy it at the local dealer who doesn't care how young they are. That's cool with you, I guess. No it isn't, you'll say. You'll say we need to get rid of the local dealer, and we CAN if we only "cracked down"... Do you know how silly that's sounding these days??

The other thing you missed (you too, tom), is that you don't change laws based on 50 years worth of lies overnight... Like gay marriage, pot WILL become legal.

But, this thread is about the nanny state... Go ahead - complain about nuggets while you wear your right wing blinders... But, don't come complaining to me when the nanny state does OTHER stuff you don't like, cause they WILL. That's simply, because, as you've said, there's SOME things the nanny state bans, that you're perfectly HAPPY about them banning - for our own good, of course...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

I like how you edited this part out, "I've said before that I really don't have a problem with legalizing marijuana. I've also come out against smoking bans."

Your argument with me is a strawman. Oh, and it doesn't matter that we legalize something and check ID's and such, the kids are going to get it anyway and the left is going to fight for their right to have it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Oh, and it doesn't matter that we legalize something and check ID's and such, the kids are going to get it anyway

Like alcohol and cigarettes?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

the kids are going to get it anyway and the left is going to fight for their right to have it.

Hello again, Steve:

I'M the left. I epitomize the left. I've posted LOTS about kids, and pot, and legalization... Never once did I advocate that children should smoke pot. In fact, I don't know anyone who thinks children have a right to have pot. Dude!

But, it's fine that you'd add more lies to the debate. Your side has been doing it for 50 years. What else is new? The TRUTH?? From you guys?? Nahhh.

excon

PS> I didn't edit it either.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Like alcohol and cigarettes?

Um, that's exactly what I was referring to.

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Originally Posted by excon

PS> I didn't edit it either.

What you quoted:

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I don't miss the point at all, What kind of a stupid message is that to send? Get as high as you want, endanger your health and the safety of others, but don't you dare eat chicken nuggets and play with toys.

What I said:

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I don't miss the point at all, ex and I agree, alcohol is worse. Better yet, I've said before that I really don't have a problem with legalizing marijuana. I've also come out against smoking bans, so you can stop blaming me for leading to the ban of toys in Happy Meals.

In fact I find it quite ironic that the left wants to at the same time legalize pot while banning toys. What kind of a stupid message is that to send? Get as high as you want, endanger your health and the safety of others, hell we'll give you the needles to shoot your heroin and condoms to your 13 year old, but don't you dare eat chicken nuggets and play with toys.

You only omitted everything in italics to make on seamless quote.

I know you wouldn't advocate kids having the right to smoke pot, but the push to undermine parental authority grant kids more rights has been well documented here. If sex is harmless then children should have their sexual freedom they say. If pot is harmless and legal why shouldn't kids have that freedom as well? That's a natural progression if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's a natural progression if you ask me.

Hello again, Steve:

Like gay marriage progress's into marriage with horses. Yeah, I know how you guys think.. Bonkers...

excon

It's no goofier than you blaming me for banning Happy Meals. Truth be told, you just want to argue. Banning Happy Meals is stupid, period.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

"cause that what you think black people eat?

What's wrong with Yams... they are highly nutritious http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun...yams-5759.html. And in fact... Yams (which are NOT the same as sweet potatoes contrary to popular opinion) are African and Asian in origion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_(vegetable)..so yes a lot of Black people do eat yams... and a lot of other things.

I'd say something that's been cultivated as food for 8,000 years in Africa might be consumed by a lot of blacks.

Stuff White People Like

Heck... schools are better off serving both Yams and Sweet potatoes than they are mystery meat or Mac and Cheese.

And I'm no vegan.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Stuff White People Like

What's your point?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What's your point?

How about then Cowboys!

As already acknowledged, they suck. So what's your point?