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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Actually, no, he's not. He was never a politician in Daley's machine. He dealt with it as a community organizer to improve Chicago South Side neighborhoods.

I came out here to college in 1963 and never left the area. I have no love for Daley or his minions, and, thank God, have never lived in Chicago so that Daley or his father was my mayor.

Obama is not a product of Chicago politics. His political experience is in the 'hoods and as a state senator.

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Um... HE has a HOUSE in Chicago area... He was a State Senator in that area... he got into politics in Chicago...

Daley was a world class crook, no doubt... and the entire Chicago political Machine is well know to be crooked. It always has been hell it might always bee without major changes in mindset there... and there isn't one thing Obama ever improved for anybody... most of those projects he fought to make US taxpayers pay for,, not Illinois taxpayers... were riddled with corruption and never completed and a huge waste of tax dollars. Good times wasn't a slice of real life. Made a great TV show ( I still like it)... but most slum dwellers aren't like that fictitious family.


Incidentally I grew up poor... I know too many poor people NOW for someone to pull the wool over my eyes about reality there. Most think they are entitled to everything, and have little respect for anything that's not their own. And yeah... they tear the hell out of housing projects or even sect 8 housing. A handfull might not... but that's true for most of them.

You have far more opportunity in a Chicago Project than you do in Rural Alabama or West Virginia... as a poor person.

Look up Appalachia... I know the culture well.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Um...HE has a HOUSE in Chicago area....He was a State Senator in that area....he got into politics in Chicago...

Daley was a world class crook, no doubt .....and the entire Chicago political Machine is well know to be crooked. It always has been hell it might always bee without major changes in mindset there....and there isn't one thing Obama ever improved for anybody....most of those projects he fought to make US taxpayers pay for,,,,not Illinois taxpayers....were riddled with corruption and never completed and a huge waste of tax dollars. Good times wasn't a slice of real life. Made a great TV show ( I still like it)....but most slum dwellers aren't like that ficticious family.


Incidently I grew up poor.....I know too many poor people NOW for someone to pull the wool over my eyes about reality there. Most think they are entitled to everything, and have little respect for anything thats not their own. And yeah...they tear the hell out of housing projects or even sect 8 housing. A handfull might not....but thats true for most of them.

You have far more opportunity in a Chicago Project than you do in Rural Alabama or West Virginia....as a poor person.

Look up Appalachia....I know the culture well.

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I'm a Tar Heel, was born and raised in NC and grew up in the hills of Appalachia. As a preacher's family, we were poorer than dirt, so you can't tell me anything about being poor.

Obama didn't "get into politics" in Chicago. He was never part of that crowd. Durbin, a state senator, finally convinced him to run for president. It was Durbin's idea in the first place.

Obama owns a house in Chicago. That makes him bad?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'm a Tar Heel, was born and raised in NC and grew up in the hills of Appalachia. As a preacher's family, we were poorer than dirt, so you can't tell me anything about being poor.

Obama didn't "get into politics" in Chicago. He was never part of that crowd. Durbin, a state senator, finally convinced him to run for president. It was Durbin's idea in the first place.

Obama owns a house in Chicago. That makes him bad?

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Well the people he bought that property from, and his terrorist buddies makes him bad...

You gave me another reason to hate Durbin...

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Well the people he bought that property from, and his terrorist buddies makes him bad.....

You gave me another reason to hate Durbin.....

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I bought my property from a hunter who delights in killing animals. That makes me bad?

He has no terrorist buddies. *yawn* Get over that.

Actually, Durbin has been a good senator. We've had a few who weren't. A few icky governors too...

And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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Originally Posted by 450donn

And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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Originally Posted by 450donn

And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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Those stories have all been debunked countless times.

A "sweatheart deal" -- like in the gym? Sweat? It's sweetheart deal, and no, that isn't true. Even the seller came forward to explain how the house-buying deal was done.

And you're going to believe the papers Obama produces are the real deal?

I set up a separate link to this answer because of the frequency I have to link to it.

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Regarding Obama's birth certificate ;


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. CodeSec 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth":

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S. as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

So even if the evidence shows that he was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html

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Originally Posted by tomder55

So even if the evidence shows that [President Obama] was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html

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I'm starting to fall in love with you.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I bought my property from a hunter who delights in killing animals. That makes me bad?

He has no terrorist buddies. *yawn* Get over that.

Actually, Durbin has been a good senator. We've had a few who weren't. A few icky governors too....

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Bill Ayers... was a close friend to Obama... Obama got his start in politics in Bill Ayers home... Bill Ayers actually spent time in jail for a bombing he did with the Weather Underground. THere is no speculation on that... its all been proven.

The sweetheart deal Obama got on his peoperty was with another close friend who recently went to jail for a lot of years for his criminal activity.

The list of crooks and criminals in Obamas administration is long...

If you didn't pay your taxes for a number of years... at all... what would happen to you as an average citizen? It wouldn't be pretty... right... fines, penalties, jailtime...

But if you have connections to Obama you get offered the chance to run the entire treasury Dept... INCLUDING running the IRS. Who other than a Democrat would appoint a proven tax cheat to head the IRS. And who other than democrats would think its OK... as long as the tax cheat was a Democrat as well. And all of the other tax cheats he nominated... and Democrats looked the other way on.


Now if Bush had appointed a tax cheat to run that... could you imagine the colective crying and screaming from the democrat party?

Yet Obama does it REPEATEDLY... and the democrats response is... So what..

Look up Culture of Corruption in the Dictionary... you will find the pictures of Obama, Pelosi and Reed.


Hipocrits... Hipocrits every one of them. THey hold No one in their party accountible for their criminal actions...

You're an angry man/woman.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You're an angry man/woman.

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I'm a VERY angry... MAN.


What's wrong with Democrats... Obamas been in Office for OVER a year... and NOTHING is his fault... he's perfect... everything is Bushes fault... never mind the fact he hasn't been in office for well over a year... and the fact that DEMOCRATS have had a Congressional Majority for the last 3+ years now, and the Senate too... NOT the republicans.

So the Democrats are to blame for what's happened the last 3+ years. THey aren't off the hook just because Bush signed something.. everything done the last 3+ years was written, and pushed by the Democrats... time for them to step up to the plate... and accept the blame rather than point fingers like elementery schoolchildren

Have a nice cup of tea and go for a walk. Try not to hate people so much.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Have a nice cup of tea and go for a walk. Try not to hate people so much.

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I don't hate people in general... I just hate CERTAIN people. Usually the ones that get intrusive into MY life because they obviously figure they can't get their own in order so they screw with others to ruin theirs too. And those that think they are entitled to anything at someone else's expense.

Ok, good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Bill Ayers... was a close friend to Obama

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That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

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... Obama got his start in politics in Bill Ayers home

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And I went to a Tupperware party at Sharon A's house in 1986 and her husband is now in jail for molesting little neighbor kids, so what does that make me?

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... Bill Ayers actually spent time in jail for a bombing he did with the Weather Underground. THere is no speculation on that... its all been proven.

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Gosh, that's a page out of history. So?

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The sweetheart deal Obama got on his peoperty

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It was no sweetheart deal (glad you're finally spelling "sweetheart" correctly). The seller finally revealed who he is and explained the whole process. And it wasn't much of a deal, actually. Look up the real story (it's a matter of public record) and stop listening to people who want to incite.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

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Hello again, WG:

Pssst. He's a birther. He believes what he wants to believe.

excon

So is this terrorism? I think it is.

Democrats fear for their families - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

And I went to a Tupperware party at Sharon A's house in 1986 and her husband is now in jail for molesting little neighbor kids, so what does that make me?

Gosh, that's a page out of history. So?

It was no sweetheart deal (glad you're finally spelling "sweetheart" correctly). The seller finally revealed who he is and expained the whole process. And it wasn't much of a deal, actually. Look up the real story (it's a matter of public record) and stop listening to people who want to incite.

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Who proved it wrong? Democrat propagandists? The same people who claim Socialized medicine will save money... even after Hireing 12,000 NEW IRS auditers to make sure everyone pays what they are told to pay or else... so the lazy can have their free health care while the rest of us get the money tp pay for it extorted from us on payday... OBAMA himself has said they were friends... there are very few people who believe otherwise. Simple Google searchs provides ample evidence of his ties with Ayers... Nobody is saying Obama was IN the weather Underground... he was too young for that.


And he did get a sweetheart deal... from a now convicted fellon.