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Originally Posted by tomder55

That's pretty much the same argument I use when examples of leakage are cited as an example of the negatives of fracking .

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Totally agree, things can be done better and safer.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Totally agree, things can be done better and safer.

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The difference then is that I would not close down a whole industry because of isolated violations.

I would for system wide or repeated violations. We agree again as isolated can be dealt with case by case.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

That's pretty much the same argument I use when examples of leakage are cited as an example of the negatives of fracking .

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Me to. So why don't you apply the same standards to solar energy when it is done badly?

I do have the same standards . I think the market should decide which energy sources make it .

The market place is skewed toward short term profits, not enough long term investment. If it was we would have massive infrastructure activity in many areas.

Nah markets aren't interested in infrastructure, look at how road, bridges, railroads are run down

Infrastructure maintenance and development would be much better off if we adopted a public-private partnership approach. You should know that .Australia has had success with that formula.
http://www.irfnet.ch/files-upload/kn...0PPPs_2007.pdf
This study examined 54 projects in Aussie ;and found that the privately financed ones had smaller cost overruns and were more likely to be finished on schedule than those financed through traditional methods.
I'm not saying that's the answer to all infrastructure challenges. But where it has been adopted ,it has had success.

But Tal's comment is a dodge . The fact is that of course governments can command and control an economy .Many do.....up to the moment the economy fails .

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The market place is skewed toward short term profits, not enough long term investment. If it was we would have massive infrastructure activity in many areas.

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Profits are a good indicator of the market ;and the market today does not want your stinkin "green economy"
Volt sales drop 32% in October | The Detroit News
When that changes ,I assure you the VOLT or a different plug in will rule the market . But y'all nuts if you think that windmills can provide the power our economy needs.

It's come to this...

Report: Global warming alarmism can cause depression | The Daily Caller

It does explain why The Goracle always looks constipated, although with all that profit he's made along the way he should be a happy camper.

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Profits are a good indicator of the market ;and the market today does not want your stinkin "green economy"
Volt sales drop 32% in October | The Detroit News
When that changes ,I assure you the VOLT or a different plug in will rule the market . But y'all nuts if you think that windmills can provide the power our economy needs.

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I think the idea ( at least from our perspective anyway) is that a variety of renewable energy sources have gained momentum within recent times. There appears to be is commitment by the public and private for future expansion.

I'm all in favor of the private development of emerging technology ;and I'm in favor of government being involved in R & D . What I oppose is subsidization of one industry in competition with another to achieve some predetermined market shift . Bottom line ;and so far it has proven to be true ,is that it is a needless waste of tax dollars that achieves little results. If solar power has a future ,it won't be because the government deems it so.
The Abound Solar plant is just one of many such examples of this in the last 5 years.

Meanwhile, Germany is building new coal plants while we're trying to ban them...

RealClearEnergy - Europe Is Returning to Coal

... as the UK points to the reality that fracking poses a low risk as they push to take advantage of their own reserves to ease skyrocketing energy prices.

Shale gas fracking a low risk to public health -UK review

Hello again, tom:

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Profits are a good indicator of the market ;and the market today does not want your stinkin "green economy"

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Oh, really??? Profits ARE a good indicator... Tesla is killing it.

excon

Germany over reacted to Fukushima Daiichi and began taking down their nuclear industry .They thought windmills and solar was the answer .Without coal ,they are left vulnerable to natural gas pipelines controlled by Tsar Vladdy .

Tesla is a fringe market for the uber:rich .Tesla delivered 4,750 units in the first quarter and 5,150 units in the last quarter woooohoooo!
That's if the owners survive the flambé
Second Tesla Model S fire ignites safety concerns - Chicago Tribune

I wouldn't exactly say killing it.

Tesla’s Stock Surge Hits $4.1 Billion Pothole in October

With a base price of $62,400 we should all have one, right? Call it our Obamacar.

Model S Design Studio | Tesla Motors

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's come to this...

Report: Global warming alarmism can cause depression | The Daily Caller

It does explain why The Goracle always looks constipated, although with all that profit he's made along the way he should be a happy camper.

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Political forums probably contribute to depression as well.

OK tutt we will shut down askmehelpdesk and the economy will recover

I'll wipe my butt as many times as I deem necessary to assure an absence of skid marks in my shorts.

The tree huggers can get stuffed.