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Originally Posted by talaniman

They defend your right to buy more guns and keep gun manufacturers rich. Greed over common sense as usual, and they scare you with lies and scary stories to keep you buying.

When does the armed revolution against the government start?

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You crack me up. It's a constitutional right, get over it.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

nope ,they are searching in high crime areas. The Warren court was aware of the potential charge of profiling . But the fact is that when they were going after the mafia ,they searched Italians The Terry decision was candid in recognizing that it chose the best of a bad lot . But it still was constitutional one ... again ;the operative word in the 4th amendment . is 'reasonable'.

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I guess no one has connected the dots that high crime areas are poor, urban, and mostly minority. Easier to bend the rules with a law and order excuse.

Hello again, tom/Mr. Constitutional:

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But it still was constitutional one... again ;the operative word in the 4th amendment . Is 'reasonable'.

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I don't know... You seem to be saying that if SCOTS says it, you LOVE it.. But, I'll bet you don't love Heller. That's where your guy Scalia said that guns CAN be regulated...

Put THAT in your Constitutional pipe.

Excon

And they are regulated.

Hello again, Steve:

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And they are regulated.

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So, regulation ISN'T an assault upon the 2nd Amendment?? Wow.. But, background checks are... I got it..

Excon

James Gilkerson: Moment gunman opened fire with AK47 and was shot by police during routine traffic stop | Mail Online

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Originally Posted by talaniman

James Gilkerson: Moment gunman opened fire with AK47 and was shot by police during routine traffic stop | Mail Online

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Perfect demonstration video on why cops shouldn't be put into schools. The disturbed man was looking for suicide by cop.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, regulation ISN'T an assault upon the 2nd Amendment??? Wow.. But, background checks are... I got it..

excon

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We already have background checks. You just keep going in circles. All left turns.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We already have background checks. You just keep going in circles. All left turns.

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Obviously not enough. To many loopholes for ex and the crew to slide through.

I cannot believe he said this:

Lying in wait right now is a terrorist, a deranged school shooter, a kidnapper, a rapist, a murderer, waiting and planning and plotting in every community across our country, lying in wait right now," LaPierre said.

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Uh, the NRA doesn't sell guns.

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Really, who do you think are members of the NRA

Wayne LaPierre claimed there are 5 million NRA members yesterday at the NRA convention. Yes I suppose some of the members sell guns.

Yes I expect at least 250,000 of them

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I guess no one has connected the dots that high crime areas are poor, urban, and mostly minority. Easier to bend the rules with a law and order excuse.

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I'm talking about neighborhoods where Postal workers are too afraid to deliver the mail... so they don't . You can make your case all you want to about loss of freedom. The poor and minority residents are not free... their neighborhoods are run by gangbangers . Stop and frisk gives them a chance to liberate their neighborhoods . It is YOU that don't care about the plight of the residents. You instead want to protect the gangbangers .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

really, who do you think are members of the NRA

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My neighbors. I would also imagine some gun store owners are members. So?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I'm talking about neighborhoods where Postal workers are too afraid to deliver the mail ...so they don't . You can make your case all you want to about loss of freedom. The poor and minority residents are not free ...their neighborhoods are run by gangbangers . Stop and frisk gives them a chance to liberate their neighborhoods . It is YOU that don't care about the plight of the residence. You instead want to protect the gangbangers .

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And I'm sure all those gangbangers, some felons, are buying their guns at gun shows.

And straw men for gang bangers, drug dealer and, fringe loons. Stopping everyone and frisking them in some neighborhoods doesn't eliminate the underlying reason for criminal activity, nor make them safer. It does help the arrest record look good though.

I suppose you live in those neighborhoods where Postal workers fear to tread.
Postal workers too scared to deliver mail in crime-ridden Brownsville, Brooklyn - NYPOST.com
In NY City 70-75 % murder suspects are blacks.. and 90 % of murder victims are minorities from the neighborhoods where stop and frisk is employed. If only 53% of those stopped are blacks... then they are being under represented as a percentage of those being stopped .
Maybe stop and risk could've saved the life of Alphonza Bryant. He was a promising student at the Urban Assembly Bronx Studio for Writers and Artists . He was gunned down last month when gangbangers took random shots of a group of 10 that Alphonza was hanging out with . The fact is that when police stop and ask a 17 year old a question based on a reasonable suspicion of a crime there is outrage. Yet when a 17 year old is standing on the street corner near his home at 8:15 in the evening and gets shot and killed, there is silence from the civil rights crowd.

Hello again, tom:

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Maybe stop and risk could've saved the life of Alphonza Bryant

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It's true.. A police state would stop a LOT of crime.. But, I like the Constitution.. You? Not so much.

Excon

I've already addressed the constitutional issues . I think the constitution is covered ;including the legitimate role of the government to protect life and property. You on the other hand would allow the streets of the inner city to become the equivalent of Fallujah run by gangs instead of tribes . Let me assure you ;there are no personal liberties for the people living there when gangs and criminals dictate the rules on the streets .