What?? Now you can pick who gets what coverage, service, or rights? That's blatant discrimination.

Why does a person have to give up THEIR rights for you to have YOUR rights?

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What?? Now you can pick who gets what coverage, service, or rights? That's blatant discrimination.

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Having reading comprehension issues today, Tal? I said, "I addressed that thoroughly when I said feel free to cover "whatever" you want but not "whoever" you choose to cover. What part of the difference between "whatever" and "whoever" do you not get?

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Why does a person have to give up THEIR rights for you to have YOUR rights?

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ZZzzzzzzz. We were never guaranteed any right to health insurance. Your faux outrage on this is getting tiresome.

That's no explanation of why you think the church and bosses should have the right, or authority to tell a female what she can do with her doctor, and insurance carrier. That's the issue, not what you believe.

Let the female get her own policy . There is no "right " to contraception . You may as well argue that there is a right to a face lift ,tummy tuck or botox injections . Contraception is elective.

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Thats no explanation of why you think the church and bosses should have the right, or authority to tell a female what she can do with her doctor, and insurance carrier. Thats the issue, not what you believe.

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Same tired argument. You probably think if I'm buying you a Christmas present you have the right to dictate to me what it will be. That's the issue, you dictating how I run MY business, what to do with MY money and .expecting me to violate MY constitutionally guaranteed religious rights in the process.

That's not what females say, just YOU guys. You think you have the right to dictate what's acceptable reproductive health care is all about. Holler all you want because they are pushing for want they want and not what you think they should have.

Hell we had to fight a war to get you to honor the rights of slaves and you guys still didn't learn. You do know women can vote don't you?

Your rights aren't violated lets be clear, nor is the right to practice YOUR beliefs, but your beliefs should have anything to do with MY rights, or beliefs, or anyone else that doesn't believe as you do.

Its too late for a Christmas gift, but I do have a birthday coming, and will appreciate anything you decide on.

Need suggestions?

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Hell we had to fight a war to get you to honor the rights of slaves and you guys still didn't learn.

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the presumption being that I would've been on the side of the slave states ? I wonder how a Black would feel about you equating their freedom from bondage with a women getting a contraception pill ?

Hello again, tom:

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There is no "right " to contraception . You may as well argue that there is a right to a face lift ,tummy tuck or botox injections .

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But, there IS a right to equal protection under the law. If they're going to cover MENS health, then they're REQUIRED to cover Women's health...

It says so, right there in the Constitution. You surely don't LIKE that 14th Amendment, do you?

Excon

Women's health is covered .

Hello again, tom:

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Women's health IS covered

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Well then, we're done here.

Excon

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Your rights aren't violated lets be clear, nor is the right to practice YOUR beliefs, but your beliefs should have anything to do with MY rights, or beliefs, or anyone else that doesn't believe as you do.

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Um, you still have it EXACTLY backwards. The only one who rights are being violated are those forced to buy contraceptives against their religious beliefs. There is no constitutional right to health insurance and there is no constitutional right to contraceptives.

That's what mystifies, you libs have no problem trampling on clearly enumerated rights; speech, religion, guns - while expecting us to honor nonexistent rights. Come back to reality.

Hello again, Steve:

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while expecting us to honor nonexistent rights.

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... " nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I don't know. I think the 14th Amendment counts as rights... What? Did you stop after reading the 2nd Amendment? There's OTHERS, you know.

Excon

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Hello again, Steve:

..." nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I dunno. I think the 14th Amendment counts as rights... What? Did you stop after reading the 2nd Amendment? There's OTHERS, you know.

excon

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I don't know how that adds up to a constitutional right to health insurance or contraceptives but it is that "whoever" thing I keep mentioning.

Hello again, Steve:

It's a simple concept, really... If a company, or a church is going to cover MEN's health needs, then they MUST cover WOMEN'S needs as well. That's where the word EQUAL comes in.

I don't know what's so HARD about that.

excon

Not all things that men may think they "need " is covered . I really don't see where this becomes a 14th amendment issue. I'd say if anything ;it discriminates against men. Not all plans cover medicines like Viagra . Yet I don't see the HHS mandating it's coverage .

Hello again,

In this same vein, your Republican party wants to INCLUDE more women the next time around. Do you think your position ATTRACTS women, or REPELS them? If it REPELS them, as it did in the last election, do you plan to MODERATE your position? Do you think you SHOULD? Or, is it that women just don't understand your position, and if you only explained it better, you'd get 'em?

I really want to know.

excon

Dear excon:

I read somewhere that Republicans are going to educate women about what they need to be REAL women.

Fondly,
WG

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Hello again, Steve:

It's a simple concept, really... If a company, or a church is going to cover MEN's health needs, then they MUST cover WOMEN'S needs as well. That's where the word EQUAL comes in.

I dunno what's so HARD about that.

excon

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And I don't know what's so hard to understand about how utterly wrong and ridiculous it is for government to compel the church to violate its religious beliefs.

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Dear excon:

I read somewhere that Republicans are going to educate women about what they need to be REAL women.

Fondly,
WG

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As opposed to Democrats treating them as helpless tools.

Hello again, Steve:

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And I don't know what's so hard to understand about how utterly wrong and ridiculous it is for government to compel the church to violate its religious beliefs.

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Our laws attempt to BALANCE your rights against somebody else's rights. That's all this is..

Maybe the Supreme Court WILL say 1st Amendment rights trump 14th Amendment rights... But, I don't think, even this right wing court, will rule that way. But, I could be wrong... I was wrong back '08.

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As opposed to Democrats treating them as helpless tools.

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What would make us REAL? What aren't we doing right now?