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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Even if there's only ONE, why wouldn't you want to STOP it?

But, have no idea WHY you'd say that... Gun shows happen in every county in this great nation of ours, and they happen ALL summer long. Then they move INDOORS. We KNOW that felons can buy there to their hearts content there...

WHY you'd think that THOSE guns AREN'T used in crimes escapes me... It truly does. Unless, of course, you think felons like me would RATHER use guns we got in the black market instead of going to a show where we have some CHOICE. And that assumes that we KNEW where to go... Which is absolutely RIDICULOUS!

But, I wanna here from you why you'd say that the existing gun laws AREN'T working because the cops don't go after the people who were DENIED... The law STOPPED the felon from getting a gun, but you think the law ISN'T being enforced because they don't chase down the guy who got DENIED...

I really want you to address that...

excon

What if they have no priors, like ALL the mass shooters in recent memory ? How will expanded backround checks prevent.. even that one ?

Hello again, tom:

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What if they have no priors?

You're STILL asking the wrong question... The idea here is to prevent, if we can, the next shooting... It's true, we can't stop somebody who LEGALLY owns a gun..

But, THAT'S not what this discussion is about. IF you want to CONTINUE this conversation with me, you'll STOP throwing up straw men, and address the points I made... You've ALWAYS done that before, but it seems that guns make you woozy.

I think we're done here.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Tal is right... Logic doesn't play a role when we're talking about the religion of guns

Dude, And where is the logic in letting thousands of guns walk to Mexico? Nobody gives a damn about that. Where's the logic in saying the Boston bomber would have been stopped by background checks? Don't condescend to me about logic.

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Do you really think felons are going to identify themselves at gun shows?? Do you really think felons DON'T buy lots and lots of guns at gun shows?? Tell me why you think they'd rather scour the hood for a gun when they can buy 30 or 40 in a weekend at a gun show, and have LOTS of choices too..

Why would they do that?? Why?? The bigger question is WHY do you think they wouldn't?? Let me see... They've got Bubba who's got a gun - maybe even two. OR, there's the gun show downtown where they can shop and shop and then shop some more...

Why would they go to Bubba's?? Why?

Excon

It was a simple question, it needs a simple answer - not more stalling. But I do know IF I were a felon I'd probably already know people that could get me guns, and I would go to them before sticking my head out in public trying to buy a gun.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Save your logic Ex, the wingers are more concerned about their rights and being prepared for an armed civil war and a zombie apocalypse, than they are about some evil loony shooting things up.

I mean they are making guns for kids now.

Guns made for kids: How young is too young to shoot? - U.S. News

I was shooting when I was 7 or 8, so what? We're not training them to be terrorists or sending them to school to learn IED planting and grenade throwing.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You're STILL asking the wrong question... The idea here is to prevent, if we can, the next shooting...
excon

And that's why you are all in for stop and frisk... right ?

Actually as part of their commitment to gun safety the NRA has gun-safety programs for kids, but apparently you guys don't think gun safety should be taught to kids in case they're ever around guns. At least not if the NRA is involved.

Two Houston schools cancel NRA gun safety classes

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Before cancelling the presentation, the principal of Peck, Carlotta Brown, gave a radio interview on Tuesday morning saying she was "so elated to have a gun safety program at our school today."

"We have to make sure that all of our children are safe, our adults are safe and it starts in the elementary school," Brown told KTRH, according to a broadcast on its website.

Brown did not mention the NRA in her comments, but the radio host noted that the association was behind the program and an NRA representative also was interviewed.

Spencer said Brown "did not make the connection that it was an NRA-driven event" until later when a news reporter asked to attend the presentation.

Except she did know the NRA was behind the event, she was specifically asked whether that was causing any problems and her response was “That’s not been the case in my school. It’s very important that we enlighten the school.”

Unless it's by the NRA, then someone will pressure you to change your mind and lie about why you're cancelling. Better to keep kids ignorant, right?

Hello again, Steve

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But I do know IF I were a felon I'd probably already know people that could get me guns,

There's not much you can say to somebody who's talking to an exconvict and telling him what it's like to BE an exconvict..

Nope. Not much at all.

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and that's why you are all in for stop and frisk... right ?

Nahhh... There's no question that a police state WOULD reduce crime, but I like the Constitution, thank you very much...

Excon

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apparently you guys don't think gun safety should be taught to kids in case they're ever around guns.

but teaching them how to roll a condom over a cuke is perfectly OK

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve

There's not much you can say to somebody who's talking to an exconvict and telling him what it's like to BE an exconvict..

Nope. Not much at all.
Nahhh... There's no question that a police state WOULD reduce crime, but I like the Constitution, thank you very much...

excon

You have no idea what I know, stop fooling yourself into thinking I don't what the hell I'm talking about. I know WAY more than I'm going to say here.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was shooting when I was 7 or 8, so what? We're not training them to be terrorists or sending them to school to learn IED planting and grenade throwing.

Adam Lanza's mama probably thought the same thing. I mean what's the harm of teaching a kid how to shoot? Except when he develops issues at puberty, and doesn't need a bomb, or terrorist training to wreak havoc. Come on how can we know how a kid will turn out even if it's one out of thousands.

Add to that all the undiagnosed loonies that bear watching. I know all upstanding Americans are sane and have rights. Nobody is a criminal until they break the law. The illogic of your side is we got 'em all and nobody cheats and slips through the cracks (loopholes), like the chick in Colorado who bought a gun for her boyfriend.

What's real hypocrisy is the same thing that allows straw purchases of guns to Mexican drug dealers and is the same thing that allows them to the other states and cities so why stop at Arizona with your outrage. I mean you are hyped on one agent's deal, and ignore the other thousand every year who get hot dead?

Illogical at best

Considering the raving Loon that's occupying the white house and the second in command slot... I think that argument is a bit weak in the knees.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Save your logic Ex, the wingers are more concerned about their rights and being prepared for an armed civil war and a zombie apocalypse, than they are about some evil loony shooting things up.

I mean they are making guns for kids now.

Guns made for kids: How young is too young to shoot? - U.S. News

They have been making them for a long time. Big box stores like Sears used to sell them regularly. So what is your point? That we need to stop stupidity? Good luck with that. The parents in the article you posted were stupid.

Considering Joe Biden recommended shooting through the closed front door... look at the class of leader the Dems are following.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Tal is right... Logic doesn't play a role when we're talking about the religion of guns..

Do you really think felons are going to identify themselves at gun shows??? Do you really think felons DON'T buy lots and lots of guns at gun shows??? Tell me why you think they'd rather scour the hood for a gun when they can buy 30 or 40 in a weekend at a gun show, and have LOTS of choices too..

Why would they do that??? Why???? The bigger question is WHY do you think they wouldn't??? Lemme see... They've got Bubba who's got a gun - maybe even two. OR, there's the gun show downtown where they can shop and shop and then shop some more...

Why would they go to Bubba's??? Why?

excon

Its not as easy as you think it is. If someone is actively buying guns outside the gun show then they also are being watched. Their chances of making multiple purchases is very slim without someone there to ask what they are doing and to run a ID check on them.

VIDEO: Gun show sellers shoot holes in weapons laws; firearms sold with no ID shown, NYC sting finds - NY Daily News

What's been done since?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Adam Lanza's mama probably thought the same thing. I mean what's the harm of teaching a kid how to shoot? Except when he develops issues at puberty, and doesn't need a bomb, or terrorist training to wreak havoc. Come on how can we know how a kid will turn out even if it's one out of thousands.

And in typical liberal logic everyone must be punished for the sins of a few, instead of encouraging the very things that would minimize such risks, a stable marriage with a mom and a dad and restoring VALUE for LIFE.

What would you do?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What would you do?

I've asked that same question here but never got an answer.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I've asked that same question here but never got an answer.

Start ducking because this I where the rocks and blame usually starts.