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Originally Posted by Synnen

Smoothy--again, you go on about how Muslims have rights that Christians don't.

I don't see it. At all.

I still see "In God We Trust" on our money. Surely that's a CHRISTIAN right that no other religion has. I still hear "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Isn't THAT a purely Christian thing?

I think it is as much sour grapes with Christians that the Moslims have as MUCH power as the Christians--not that they're trying to take everythign over any more than the Christians are.

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Points are off a bit. God belongs to everyone. Its jesus that's co opted by the christians. Also they did remove the break during winter as far as the name goes from Christmas to Winter Break. Now the Muslims are / were trying to push their holiday in New York but it didn't fly too well.

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Originally Posted by excon

So, they have to be ORGANIZED in order for us to call what they did TERRORISM?? Really?

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Did I say that? I don't recall saying that or anything close. Sometimes I wonder if you need to have your vision checked, you are a pretty old guy now aren't you?

The point you can take from that is the left is mighty quick to jump on some isolated incident, i.e. the 'murder' of a Kentucky 'fed' because of those hatred fueled by all those right-wing terrorists, while downplaying terrorism fueled by Islam with ties to jihadists as that of an '"isolated extremist," as in the Ft Hood shooter and the 253 guy e.g.

They have it all backwards, as apparently you do as well.

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What about the Christian non-profit worker who stabbed the Muslim cab driver in NYC last week?

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What "Christian non-profit worker would that be? This one?

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Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said investigators have six of Enright's notebooks, which chronicle his recent 35-day stay in Afghanistan where he was filming a friend in the Marines.

The notes do not include anti-Muslim rhetoric, but Enright does write about having a drinking problem and being a member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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Don't portray this is some Christian hate crime, Wondergirl.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Now the Muslims are / were trying to push thier holiday in New York but it didnt fly too well.

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Hello again, dad:

If THAT didn't fly, who thinks they could install Sharia law??

excon

Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
So, they have to be ORGANIZED in order for us to call what they did TERRORISM???? Really?

Speechless, please correct your post. I did NOT say that and I am not a guy, even an old one.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

If THAT didn't fly, who thinks they could install Sharia law???

excon

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Its already been tried once in England. And people fear it will happen here as well. It's a matter of who's rights superceed what. It's a give and take situation.

Example.

Muslim law says that prayer is suppose to happen in certain ways at certain times.

In this case it would be wrongful if it were a student to punish them for practice of faith so long as it was done quietly.


Muslim law says you can beat your wife senseless.

In this case the rights of local law would overstep the individual boundary of expression of faith.


I think you see where its going.

It's a matter of balance.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Did I say that? I don't recall saying that or anything close. Sometimes I wonder if you need to have your vision checked, you are a pretty old guy now aren't you?

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Hello steve:

And, you call ME old?? Dude!

Yes, you DID say something close... I said the arsonists were terrorists. You said, no, they're what Obama calls lone wolves... I assume the term lone wolf, means they're NOT associated or organized with any other group. They operate "alone". Therefore, I assumed that you meant they can't be called terrorists unless they're organized, and that's why I said what I said.

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
So, they have to be ORGANIZED in order for us to call what they did TERRORISM???? Really?

speechless, please correct your post. I did NOT say that and I am not a guy, even an old one.

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Better? I knew I was quoting ex on that one, I just answered you both in one post. My points remain.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello steve:

And, you call ME old??? Dude!

Yes, you DID say something close... I said the arsonists were terrorists. You said, no, they're what Obama calls lone wolves... I assume the term lone wolf, means they're NOT associated or organized with any other group. They operate "alone". Therefore, I assumed that you meant they can't be called terrorists unless they're organized, and that's why I said what I said.

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I know what you said, I quoted it and THIS is the point I addressed, THOSE are the kinds of decisions we make when we're scared.

WE aren't making that kind of decision, WE are just talking it over.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Don't portray this is some Christian hate crime, Wondergirl.

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Had the Muslim cab driver stabbed the Christian non-profit worker, what would you have called it?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Points are off a bit. God belongs to everyone. Its jesus thats co opted by the christians. Also they did remove the break during winter as far as the name goes from Christmas to Winter Break. Now the Muslims are / were trying to push thier holiday in New York but it didnt fly too well.

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But I worship a GODDESS, and my government is using GOD.

Christians say God
Jews say YHWH, or Yahweh
Muslims say Allah
Hindus refer to Vishnu
Pagans refer to the god aspect in many ways, but wiccans generally use Lord or Horned One


To turn it around, since "god" is supposedly interchangeable, would you be okay with changing our money to say "In the Horned One We Trust"? How about "In the Lady We Trust"?

We're not talking about the differing aspects of the religions--Jesus, Mohammed, Cernunnos, whatever. We're talking about the basic word for "god", specifically for the god that is worshipped as the head of a religion. The NAME of a god, if you will.

And yes, it should be Winter Holiday. At least six different religions have high holy days that time of year--and the Christians deliberately placed theirs at the traditional pagan holiday and co-opted their traditions. I know the Christians want it called Christmas Break again--but *I* want it called Winter Solstice Celebration Break. I think Winter Break or Winter holiday is a good compromise.

Now if only BOTH the Muslims and the Christians would compromise with good grace about making it so that their religions are equal with everyone else's.

And frankly--for all the talk of taking over the world and making it Muslim, I can't take it seriously. The Christians have been saying the same thing for at least a thousand years.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Had the Muslim cab driver stabbed the Christian non-profit worker, what would you have called it?

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I see nothing that refers to a "Christian non-profit worker' except your claim, citation needed.

As for the incident, I call it a stabbing, I'd even dare to call it a hate crime. No different if it were reversed. If the evidence doesn't lead to religious based terrorism I see no need to go there, do you?

Unlike the left I don't filter everything through the prism of race, religion, nationality, gender, etc. I don't see a need for any Congressional Black Caucus, La Raza, NAACP, African-American themed dorms and all that nonsense. I believe in true integration, not self-righteous self-segregation. YOU guys are the ones that bring up race and religion, etc. in everything, not us.

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First off lets get this straight. We don't know what really went on at the site of the new mosque. The only thing we know is that some equiptment was set on fire and only 1 of 4 was actually set on fire. For all we know it was done for insurance. So lets not start with the terrorism bandwagon just yet.

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I think it was those enviro nuts from Earth Liberation Front who torch buildings

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What about the Christian non-profit worker who stabbed the Muslim cab driver in NYC last week?

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What about him ? He was working for an organization that was pro-mosque and had embedded many times doing charitable work in Muslim nations.Was he.. what do they call it?. oh yeah.. Islamophobic ;carefully infiltrating a pro-Muslim charity so he could make his move... attack a Muslim cabbie in a drunken rage ?
Or maybe he was a deranged pro-Muslim who decided to do a false flag attack so people who oppose the mosque could be blamed for stoking the flames ?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I see nothing that refers to a "Christian non-profit worker' except your claim, citation needed.

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I read it first, an early report, on Yahoo News. Many sites say that Michael Enright is a senior at the School of Visual Arts and does volunteer work for Intersections International, a Christian non-profit group that promotes peace and tolerance. Michael had been allowed to be embedded with troops for two months this spring in Afghanistan. His friends said he came back a different person. He was drunk when he stabbed the cab driver after questioning him about Ramadan.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I read it first, an early report, on Yahoo News. Many sites say that Michael Enright is a senior at the School of Visual Arts and does volunteer work for Intersections International, a Christian non-profit group that promotes peace and tolerance. Michael had been allowed to be embedded with troops for two months this spring in Afghanistan. His friends said he came back a different person. He was drunk when he stabbed the cab driver after questioning him about Ramadan.

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Citation still needed. Intersections International, according to their 'about us' page, is exactly the kind of religious group you should cheer.

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Intersections International is a New York-based global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity.

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Sounds positively progressive to me, not like any of that "Taliban wing of the Republican party" type you're referring to.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, I:

I have no idea if you're a racist, or not. What I DO wonder about is your absolute belief that this country is going to fall to Muslim demands.... The ONLY way that is gonna happen is if we DESTROY our own Constitution from whithin. That's what YOU want us to do...

That'll make Osama Bin Laden happy.

excon

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I guess your unaware that the Muslims are USING the CONSTITUTION to suit their ways. Muslims are starting to take control of the Media, they have removed all anti-Islam banners from Taxis, but they sure as hell didn't remove any anti-Christian banners. Obama is a traitor to the west for bowing down to Muslim demands. I'm disgusted how he's handing the US over to Muslims.

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Originally Posted by Isafjordur

I guess your unaware that the Muslims are USING the CONSTITUTION to suit their ways.

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Hello again, I:

I AM unaware of that. Please educate me.

excon

Hello again,

There is ANOTHER aspect of this issue that needs discussing. You guys won't, though. You just pretend it isn't so.. But, it IS so, and I ain't going to let you get away with it...

I'm talking about HOME GROWN terrorists, like the failed Times Square bomber...

In the plainest language I can muster, you MOUTH the words about supporting the First Amendment, but you have SHOWN by your deeds, that you do NOT. You MOUTH the words about NOT being at war with Islam, but YOU have SHOWN, by your own WORDS in THIS thread, and your deeds on the ground, that you ARE!

I LOVE this country. I FOUGHT for this country. I spilled my BLOOD for this country. And, I'd DO it AGAIN. If I observed the current upswelling of hatred and violence against my people, brewing in MY VERY OWN COUNTRY, if somebody didn't DO something to stop it, I WOULD. I'm a Jew. I KNOW about stuff like this.

You do too. If Christianity were in the minority, and was being attacked like Islam is today, YOU would DO something about it. Yes, you would - and you SHOULD!

So, why is it, that you don't think any American Muslim would do the same?? Why are you unable to connect the current Islamaphobia with a rise in popularity for Al Quaida, and a rise in terrorist attacks upon ourselves? What is it, that you don't get about this? To me, it's pretty damn simple.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Why are you unable to connect the current Islamaphobia with a rise in popularity for Al Quaida, and a rise in terrorist attacks upon ourselves? What is it, that you don't get about this?? To me, it's pretty damn simple.

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Because it's a myth manufactured by the left because they're losing the argument. There is no epidemic of Islamophobia in this country, you guys are crying wolf. That's why. It is YOU who are playing on fears, not us.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

There is no epidemic of Islamophobia in this country, you guys are crying wolf.

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Hello again, steve:

If you are unwilling to see, that which is going on all around you, I can't help. But, there may be others who are not so blinded by the right wing Kool Aid... Maybe, with a little help, I can save them still.

excon

See what, ex? I'm not one of those dumbed-down Americans you were talking about, I see what's going on around me because I am the recipient of what's going on around me.

I and all of my fellow conservatives plus millions of moderates are being systematically labeled racists, homophobes, Islamophobes, "Republithugs," the "Taliban wing of the Republican party" and my personal favorite insult, "conservative ignorant dooshcopter"

Tell me exactly what I've done to deserve that? These people can't tell me what I've done, they can't point to my racist, Islamophobic, homophobic, thuggish, Taliban, dooshcopter-like behavior, can you? No, you can't, you just make sh*t up just like they do, and the more you insist that we're all those things the more you're going to pi$$ people off until there really IS a backlash of your own doing, because I for one am about ready to make some liberals swallow a few teeth if they don't shut the heck up with their ignorant, bigoted, hypocritical, hateful talk. I'm quite certain I'm not alone in that.

I hope you can see what's happening now.