LOL, now define "reasonable parameters"

P.S. a law that applies equally is fair, and comfort is not a right.

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LOL, now define "reasonable parameters"

P.S. a law that applies equally is fair, and comfort is not a right.

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Comfort is for the individual to feel that he has complied with the law.

You're quibbling.

Hello again, Steve:

You're asking lay people discuss the nuances of the law.. Instead of wondering what WE think about the law, you should be reading the cases wherein LOTS and LOTS of judges have RULED that these laws constitute VOTER SUPPRESSION..

Now, if it was just ONE judge, you could say he was an outlier. But, in case after case, the voter ID laws have been STRUCK down - not BECAUSE of voter ID, but because of the PROCESS in which it was implemented...

Look... I don't know HOW any of the judges defined the words you want us to define... All I know is they DID define them, and found the process to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

excon

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Comfort is for the individual to feel that he has complied with the law.

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It's not that complicated. Nearly everyone has ID and if they don't they're going to need it anyway. Proving you're eligible to vote is reasonable.

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You're quibbling.

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No, this idea that government needs to make sure people are "comfortable" is lunacy. I'm not "comfortable" at all with Obamacare, make me "comfortable."

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It's not that complicated. Nearly everyone has ID and if they don't they're going to need it anyway. Proving you're eligible to vote is reasonable.

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I don't have a valid ID and it would be very difficult for me to obtain it.

Cry me a river.

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Cry me a river.

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Just sayin'. And I'm a well-educated, well-read white woman in a metropolitan area.

That means you probably have enough proof of residency and citizenship to obtain a valid ID .
What you mean is that it would inconvenience .

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that means you probably have enough proof of residency and citizenship to obtain a valid ID .
What you mean is that it would inconvenience .

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Yes, but getting it would be virtually impossible.

Getting a picture id is impossible ? Maybe in Chi-town ,not in NY .

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getting a picture id is impossible ? Maybe in Chi-town ,not in NY .

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In my situation, yes, nearly impossible. Has nothing to do with where I live.

And there are many like me who would need lots of time to work out the logistics.

I don't buy it. Nope, not one bit.

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In my situation, yes, nearly impossible. Has nothing to do with where I live.

And there are many like me who would need lots of time to work out the logistics.

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So in everyday situations when your asked for ID you just simply say you don't have any. Like police officers or doctors or if you want to open an account somewhere.

Why nearly impossible?

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So in everyday situations when your asked for ID you just simply say you dont have any. Like police officers or doctors or if you want to open an account somewhere.

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Like too many other people I know, I'm homebound.

Hello again,

As a footnote to the discussion, I believe my fears were unfounded.

Ok, that's not true.. I was very afraid that the suppression efforts would WORK, but it appears to have done the exact opposite. It GALVANIZED the community instead, and they came out in droves REFUSING to be stopped.

I think it's what pushed Obama over the top.

excon

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Hello again,

As a footnote to the discussion, I believe my fears were unfounded.

Ok, that's not true.. I was very afraid that the suppression efforts would WORK, but it appears to have done the exact opposite. It GALVANIZED the community instead, and they came out in droves REFUSING to be stopped.

I think it's what pushed Obama over the top.

excon

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Yeah yeah, those darn states with voter ID laws sure do know how to turn them away don't they??

http://wreg.com/2012/11/02/second-highest-voter-turnout-in-tennessee-history/

What pushed Obama over the top was a hurricane, a governor, a complicit media and new voters fresh off their liberal indoctrination. And blacks refusing to vote for the white guy.

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What pushed Obama over the top was a hurricane, a governor, a complicit media and new voters fresh off their liberal indoctrination. And blacks refusing to vote for the white guy.

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I don't find that true at all. Romney could have won. The numbers were there. But the hard fact is that many republicans sat on their hands on election day. Its not about who voted but more about who didn't vote because they didn't like the choice that was made for them. Its really something that needs to be debated in the party as a whole.

Hello again, Steve:

I understand why everybody is to blame but YOU - the CONSERVATIVE. That's because if you admitted the truth, you'd realize that the country REPUDIATED conservatism. It REPUDIATED tax cuts for the rich. It REPUDIATED self deportation.. It REPUDIATED sending a surrogate out to say that Obama is lazy, and not very bright. It REPUDIATED lying about saving the auto industry. It REPUDIATED vaginal probes. It REPUDIATED ANY thoughts that old white men should decide what happens to a women's body.. It REPUDIATED the final and biggest lie of all, that Jeep was sending jobs to China...

But, more importantly, it VALIDATED Obama, our first and NOW second black president.. It VALIDATED Obamacare. It VALIDATED taxing the rich. It VALIDATED Obama's efforts on the economy. I could go on, and on...

As we've discussed, you want to go FURTHER right, and I hope you do.

excon

Sure, but based on actual turnout I think I'm largely correct. Republicans have work to do.