What kind of model is that?? Didn't even have a scope on it for long range looking to see if its done. Sheesh!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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What kind of model is that?? Didn't even have a scope on it for long range looking to see if its done. Sheesh!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I haven't seen one of those in years
I didn't know you could get 'em with tactical pistol grips.
Hello again,
Gun control is dead. So is immigration reform, but I don't want to get ahead of myself.. My question is twofold. The polls say 90% of the people wanted, even the watered down background check bill to become law.
(1) Are the polls wrong?
(2) If they're right, will the senators who voted against it be punished by the voters?
(3) Why?
excon
90% of the people polled at a Democrat party meeting maybe... but not 90% of the actual public. That so called "poll" has already been debunked.
Any senator that voted against the Bill of rights should be voted out of office... and they should be happy they aren't tarred and feathered right before being lynched for anti-american behaviour.
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Originally Posted by excon
1) It depends on how they were worded. If the current system of checks were expended to private sales then the poll is going to read in favor. Its not that big of a deal. But if you add language of a national registration and your going to get the oppisite.
2) Will there be punishment for those that voted it down when they changed the wording. My thinking is the only ones ticked about it is those left of center. They were frothing for a total gun ban and anything short of that they will cry about.
3) Why it goes the way it does is because we have long term politicians and it was never intended to be that way.
Hello again,
FOX News isn't liberal.. They say 83% wanted it to pass. Frankly, I haven't seen a poll saying otherwise.
excon
Looks like a wording issue and an emotional one. Like I said if they word it one way then you get one response and another garners you something completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I didn't see the wording in the link you posted.
Hello again, dad:
I get the sense that you DENY that 90% of the people WANTED the background check... But, let's NOT argue about that. Let's ASSUME the polls are RIGHT. What will happen to the politicians who voted against it?
Of course, if the polls are WRONG, nothing will happen.
excon
I don't deny it. Im saying it depended on the wording. As far as I am aware of. If they expanded existing back ground checks to private sales and didn't change anything else. Then Im sure you could easily get to that 90%. But if you ask the same group about a national gun registration then about 1/2 of them would not say yes to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The bill they talked about passing had a back door built into it that could have allowed such registration. So in voting it down I don't see a lot of backlash coming from it. .
Seeing as how the only place it's going to matter is with red state Dems your question seems rather pointless.
The only ones hollering about a national registry is the right. There has been no such language in any bill, quite the opposite as Manchin/Toomey calls for a 15 year jail term.
For sure us lefty's would love a national registry, but we can settle for background checks for now of everybody. Most states, even red ones don't take the word of gun owners that their son or nephew is responsible and sane enough to get a gun as a gift anyway.
We should put a rider into the next bill instituting capitol punishment for Pot use and possession... that will get the attention of the left.
Since your speaking up about it. In your ideal world what do you want done with what is already out there as far as the gun issues go ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Odd that the left wants every gun registered... yet they are responsible for the mental deficients running loose doing all the killing instead of being locked up in mental institutions like they used to be.
And the gas chambers are not far awayQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
no you are quite wrong about that;and dad is right... there really was a means for a back door registry . The only restriction in the bill was if the Justice Dept kept such a registry . It did not restrict the one agency that is going to ask EVERY American adult if they own a gun... HHS .Quote:
There has been no such language in any bill, quite the opposite as Manchin/Toomey calls for a 15 year jail term.
Now I think the lesson learned here is that if you try to jam through an ad hoc comprehensive bill that no one has read because you don't want to let a crisis go to waste ;it most likely will not pass anymore... Once bit twice shy .
I don't think there will be ANY political consequences for voting against the bill.. I won't dispute the numbers the polls say about support for national backround checks if you don't dispute the poll that said only 4% of Americans gave any gun control a high priority compared to all the other issues facing the country
Guns in the hands of law abiding people aren't the problem... lunatics running loose are.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
There are plenty of examples of loons killing people with means other than guns... yet you choose to ignore the people committing the crimes to oppress the people who AREN'T committing the crimes... Typical leftist action... then they complain when nothing changes. Duh... that's like having a problem with rats... but you put out bait and traps for mountain lions... then wonder why the rat problem isn't getting any better.
Hello smoothy:
Why don't you stick your right wing sh1t UP your a$$. Fu*k you!Quote:
We should put a rider into the next bill instituting capitol punishment for Pot use and possession... that will get the attention of the left.
Excon
Ex that's not nice, smoothy doesn't know his arse from his apex, look, he is probably a dope sniffer anyway, you might get shafted for this one, mateQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
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