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Originally Posted by cdad

If standing up for your rights is a radical idea then they are going to be coming after a lot of us. Why is it so radical to teach your child to hunt?

People like that care more about the rights of the criminal element to practice their profession without fear of getting harmed by the people they are oppressing, or stealing from..

That's why the PRO-ABORTION baby killers also defend the right to life of convicted murderers by being ANTI-Capital punishment, babies really have no right to life however, not in their minds.

Notice how the anti-gun crowd seems to love their own personal ARMED body guards... for Protection... you know against the same people they don't want the rest of us to be protected from.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

no what's evil is the parent or person who gave the child a political T shirt and radicalised him a a young age. The school is correct to discipline him

Clete, you really hate our rights don't you? The only thing radical here is a school that has a kid with an excellent record arrested when he's done nothing wrong and violated no school policy.

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

Hello again, Steve:

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a kid with an excellent record arrested when he's done nothing wrong

Here's a different opinion.

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The belief that police officers automatically make schools safer was challenged in a 2011 study that compared federal crime data of schools that had police officers with schools that did not. It found that the presence of the officers did not drive down crime. The study — by Chongmin Na of The University of Houston, Clear Lake, and Denise Gottfredson of the University of Maryland — also found that with police in the buildings, routine disciplinary problems began to be treated as criminal justice problems, increasing the likelihood of arrests

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

I have no idea what that has to do with having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Here's a different opinion.

excon

As with Tal, what's the relevance to having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong?

Hello again, Steve

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As with Tal, what's the relevance to having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong?

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

There have been over 90 DC police arrested and jailed the last 10 years... PG County in MD isn't a lot better... just because someone has a badge... doesn't make them good at their job. OR any more honest than the average Joe on the street.

Hell I can shoot better than most of them. And I am not even in the top 10% of shooters. Yes I have shot Competition for a lot of years. And did it against Civilians AND the Military.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

excon

It's a T-Shirt... that had NO profanity or Racial comments on it... its WASN'T a discipline problem.

THe only problem was the lefty pantywastes who got their frilly lace panties in a knot over someone expressing their second amendment rights via T-shirt.. in their communist Indocrination centers... which decades ago used to be public schools.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

excon

I saw nothing in the article that indicated there was a police presence in that school and either way it's irrelevant if the cops were there or had to be called. I've already noted before how our schools are fast becoming a pipeline to prison thanks to their zero tolerance BS. This poor kid didn't even violate a policy, that's LESS than zero tolerance - there was nothing to discipline the kid for.

Interesting though how you expect us to be on your bandwagon about non-violent drug offenders but won't defend an eight-grader that's done nothing wrong.

Jailed for NRA T-shirt: Student Jared Marcum, 14, charged with causing disruption at Logan Middle School | Mail Online

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Marcum's stepfather, Allen Lardieri, said the youth was waiting in line in the school cafeteria Thursday when a teacher ordered the eighth-grader to remove the T-shirt or to turn it inside out.

Marcum said he was sent to the office where he again refused the order.

Like any who exercise their rights he will get his day in court, and we will see if he had a lawful right to disobey a school authority, TWICE. That is what led to escalated actions. That is the process, let it work.

The real issue is was the T-Shirt a violation of the school dress code

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Logan County Schools' dress code, which is posted on the school system's website, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases.

Clothing displaying advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product also is prohibited.

Their lawyer, Ben White, said that the T-shirt did not appear to violate any school policy.

The school says it does, the 8th graders lawyer says it doesn't. We will see.

He shouldn't have to have a day in court, the teacher was wrong.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Jailed for NRA T-shirt: Student Jared Marcum, 14, charged with causing disruption at Logan Middle School | Mail Online

Like any who exercise their rights he will get his day in court, and we will see if he had a lawful right to disobey a school authority, TWICE. That is what led to escalated actions. That is the process, let it work.

The real issue is was the T-Shirt a violation of the school dress code

The school says it does, the 8th graders lawyer says it doesn't. We will see.

The only profanity or violence exhibited here was by the school system, who violated his civil rights by getting involved in an arrest.

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

Before calling the cops.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

Tell you what... if you want to MAKE someone WANT to get revenge and shoot up a school... violate their civil rights with a false arrest... over somne stupid made up charge of wearing a T-shirt the communists in the school don't like.

I hope that kids parents sue the school system... and win... and the parties involved in that arrest get fired and lose their pension... all of them.

And I hope civil suits are brought against the school employees involved.

The vengeful right wing in action

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Originally Posted by paraclete

the vengeful right wing in action

We learned it from the left who did it first...

Funny how civil rights apply to every one else other than just lefties too. Bet you find that inconvenient as hell.

The left sues on stupid crap all the time... a false arrest by left wing loons is the BEST application of a civil rights case to sue over as has ever been seen in 50 years.

I don't have any problems, my civil rights aren't being violated by an armed population

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