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Originally Posted by talaniman

Great for towns but moving from Texas to South Carolina shouldn't be a way to clean up or hide the past should it?

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How is it doing that?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

That way tracking can take place but no personal identification follows the gun in private hands.

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Do you actually believe when they have access to that information... that's not exactly what they will do with it? Sorry to tell you but you obviously haven't spent any time around the government.. at least none of the places that have the capacity to compile and use this info away from prying eyes, under the disguise of National Security.

And I'm dangerously close to saying things I shouldn't be saying at this point. Lets say I know enough to both respect and fear what the government CAN do right now... not at some mythical point in the future.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Do you actually believe when they have access to that information...that's not exactly what they will do with it? Sorry to tell you but you obviously haven't spent any time around the government..at least none of the places that have the capacity to compile and use this info away from prying eyes, under the disguise of National Security.

And I'm dangerously close to saying things I shouldn't be saying at this point.

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So your saying that even though there is no personal identification that goes with it that there actually is ?

The only way they could get the information would be to raid your local FFL or present a warrant for that specific bullet registration number.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

So your saying that even though there is no personal identification that goes with it that there actually is ?

The only way they could get the information would be to raid your local FFL or present a warrant for that specific bullet registration number.

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You actually believe that... do you? The BATF controls all of that... they are run by people appointed politically... not elected.

WACO and Ruby Ridge showed how honest and trustworthy that group is.

I could give you specific examples if things the fly in the face of that belief... however... that crosses a line on things I can't discuss. Because nobody on a forum is worth the trouble that could get me into.

However a recent very public leak of a memo about drone strikes on American citizens abroad is an example... no proof really needed... no warrants issued... no other real check or balance... just go kill this person with a drone because a Politician feels they might be a threat. That's been on the news a few days now... and it shows the drift of what I said.

Warrants only matter if they plan on trying you in a public court proceeding with that info... not for a lot of other things... or to invent a reason to later go back for a warrant to get the information they already had... its cloaked in secrecy... who's going to disprove the timeline they claim?

Now you defend a terrorist right to kill us??

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Now you defend a terrorist right to kill us????????

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YOU are one of the people arguing not long ago GITMO should be closed.. and that water-boarding terrorists caught in battle violated their constitutional rights... because GITMO is US territiory. Not because they were citizens.

The people I speak of have not committed any acts against us yet anyplace... and unlike the people in GITMO... they actually DO have constitutional rights YOU did see that memo on the news didn't you? It was pretty self explanatory.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

YOU are one of the people arguing not long ago GITMO should be closed..and that water-boarding terrorists caught in battle violated their constitutional rights...because GITMO is US territiory. Not because they were citizens.

The people I speak of have not committed any acts against us yet anyplace....and unlike the people in GITMO...they actually DO have constitutional rights YOU did see that memo on the news didn't you? It was pretty self explanatory.

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It should be closed and the people in it can await trail, or whatever, in a Supermax facility. I am against torture.

I am for drone warfare as a better way to kill the enemy without boots on the ground in hostile territory. When you join the other side in a time of war, you die where I find you.

SUE ME!!

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Yeah. The fact that lefties really don't care much about what the law is, or what the Constitution or BIll of Rights says. They will say anything they want because in their imaginary world anything they want at that immediate moment is what they feel it SHOULD be.

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Let me help you fill in the ellipsis dots for you.

That wouldn't be premeditated murder because the lefties really don't care about that the law is, or what the constitution or Bill of Rights of rights says. That would be self defense because they will say anything they want at that immediate moment is what they feel it should be. Huge difference between the two.

How did I go at putting words into your mouth? Perhaps you would prefer to arrange this bosh yourself?

Tut

The constitution is only useful when someone mounts a challenge to action

The constitution is the structure of law that we build our society on and no where does it say we cannot evolve to better the union to meet the realities of the world we live in. Unlike you righties that refuse to change or let others change.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You actually believe that...do you? The BATF controls all of that...they are run by people appointed politically....not elected.

WACO and Ruby Ridge showed how honest and trustworthy that group is.

I could give you specific examples if things the fly in the face of that belief.....however...that crosses a line on things I can't discuss. Because nobody on a forum is worth the trouble that could get me into.

However a recent very public leak of a memo about drone strikes on American citizens abroad is an example....no proof really needed...no warrants issued....no other real check or balance....just go kill this person with a drone because a Politician feels they might be a threat. Thats been on the news a few days now....and it shows the drift of what I said.

Warrants only matter if they plan on trying you in a public court proceeding with that info....not for a lot of other things...or to invent a reason to later go back for a warrant to get the information they already had....its cloaked in secrecy...who's going to disprove the timeline they claim?

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It is not about trusting them. If a id generated from a random number has no ties to the owner then I don't see a problem. I do trust me FFL. And they already know who I am.

Bullet registration is already occurring.

So all this secret conspiracy stuff justifies you being armed and ready for the government invasion? Or are you saying you can do whatever you want whenever you want, and the government should stay out of your business?

Which is it, or both?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So all this secret conspiracy stuff justifies you being armed and ready for the government invasion? Or are you saying you can do whatever you want whenever you want, and the government should stay out of your business?

Which is it, or both?

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Who are you asking?

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Originally Posted by smoothy
You actually believe that... do you? The BATF controls all of that... they are run by people appointed politically... not elected.

WACO and Ruby Ridge showed how honest and trustworthy that group is.

I could give you specific examples if things the fly in the face of that belief... however... that crosses a line on things I can't discuss. Because nobody on a forum is worth the trouble that could get me into.

However a recent very public leak of a memo about drone strikes on American citizens abroad is an example... no proof really needed... no warrants issued... no other real check or balance... just go kill this person with a drone because a Politician feels they might be a threat. That's been on the news a few days now... and it shows the drift of what I said.

Warrants only matter if they plan on trying you in a public court proceeding with that info... not for a lot of other things... or to invent a reason to later go back for a warrant to get the information they already had... its cloaked in secrecy... who's going to disprove the timeline they claim?

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I have a thing against cults and backwoods anti government types resisting the law.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I have a thing against cults and backwoods anti government types resisting the law.

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How about wacko libs going around shooting cops?

It's not "wacko libs", it's one wacko guy.

That was a bad link so tell me how he is a liberal. Is this the nut job in Califonia?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

That was a bad link so tell me how he is a liberal. Is this the nut job in Califonia?

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Link verified working at this time.

A lot of rhetorical stuff there, Dad and quotes in favour of gun control. I like the line about the moral imperative, that really says it all. It is hard to tell whether it is the lunatic fringe or the voice of reason

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So all this secret conspiracy stuff justifies you being armed and ready for the government invasion? Or are you saying you can do whatever you want whenever you want, and the government should stay out of your business?

Which is it, or both?

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Simple.. read the second amendment.. its written in the very same easy to read English the first amendment is...

You can't claim the first is all encompassing then choose the polar opposite approach to the second amendment when both were written by the same people at the very same time.