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Because marriage requires discipline and self-denial, and we don't like that. And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men, then one of the encouragements towards marriage disappears. No-fault divorce has been another enemy of marriage.
So it's the fault of women.
Why don't men tell them no?
Who said that?Quote:
So it's the fault of women.
We certainly should, but men tend to follow their animal instincts in such instances.Quote:
Why don't men tell them no?
You did, first thing.: "And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men..."Quote:
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He can't say no? His "animal instincts" take over.
Overturning Roe is returning law making to the people's representatives away from the black robed unelected oligarchs.
I did not say it was the fault of women. Many women are behaving foolishly as are many men. Both sexes should behave more responsibly.
Albert Ellis, the famous psychologist, said, "Don't should on yourself."
Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.
To be certain, the woman takes practically all the risks. If I was a woman, I'd be VERY careful. There are many careless, deceitful men out there. When I go to bed at night, I'm careful to lock the doors. I don't wish to take the risks of unlocked doors, and I'm not going to appeal for more caring, loving burglars. My house is my responsibility and no one else's.Quote:
Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.
Locking the door. Thus, a chastity belt would be most helpful.
How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?
Same way you tell if any person is deceitful. Are they manipulative? Are they honest? Do they keep their word? Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.Quote:
How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?
Time, time, time. How long do I have to be with him before "it" comes out?Quote:
Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.
When they have an end goal in sight, they are perfect gentlemen. I can tell you stories 'til the cows come home.
How long? Depends on how much you value yourself.
But the woman hasn't yet experienced any deceit. He's very clever.Quote:
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Yep. Time, time, time. But that woman knows deceit. She need only look in her own heart.
Nope, she's an innocent.Quote:
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Let's you and me write a children's book about how to identify deceit in someone! Maybe we would be guests on Dr. Phil!
Sure she is.
She's 15. Just started dating. Church group activities only!Quote:
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There are few things more devious than a teenager. You claim to be a counselor and you don’t know that???
Not the ones I grew up with and raised and have known. Must be something in Southern cooking or parenting that makes them devious.Quote:
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I CLAIM to be a counselor????
Strange that you always consider yourself to be the noble exception. Well, you won’t sell me on that nonsense. Not buying today.
I think you read too much fiction.
Church youth group I belonged to went on all-day hikes at Letchworth State Park, Watkins Glen State Park, Niagara Falls. Also played volleyball, miniature golf, bowling, cared for our garden, learned how to make simple meals, of course Bible study, and so on. No time or opportunity to be deceitful. Similar for my sons' age groups.Quote:
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P.S. I'm a fiction writer as well as reader. And published nonfic writer.
Sorry but just don't believe that. I was a principal for far too many years. You think that because you went on hikes and played volleyball that you weren't devious? You're the very person on this site who claimed Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers and Jesus and John were homosexual lovers, and yet you think you weren't devious???Quote:
No time or opportunity to be deceitful. Similar for my sons' age groups.
You obviously have NO idea what devious means.
I know precisely what it means.
Going on hikes etc. does not make one devious. Having an opinion different from yours does not make me devious.Quote:
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No one said any of that. I certainly didn't.
Yes, and you were very devious when you said it. :-)Quote:
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I didn't "claim it"; I suggested it as a possibility. That's not being devious.Quote:
You're the very person on this site who claimed Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers and Jesus and John were homosexual lovers, and yet you think you weren't devious???
I never said that.
You did claim it. It's a devious strategy to make the Bible appear to condone what it very plainly disallows.
Good night. Been a good yet tiring day.
I did NOT claim it! I threw it out as a possibility.
And where does the Bible disallow it?
Even more devious. "I merely suggested it might be true!" It's trying to take both sides of the issue at the same time.Quote:
I did NOT claim it! I threw it out as a possibility.
I just posted it two or three days ago. Remember where you said Paul was wrong? And that is just one of a half dozen or so places.Quote:
And where does the Bible disallow it?
That is NOT being devious!Quote:
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You're no longer making sense and are misremembering, twisting my words and their meanings just like you do the Bible's.Quote:
I just posted it two or three days ago. Remember where you said Paul was wrong? And that is just one of a half dozen or so places.
Yep. Devious you are.
Post 234 under Transgender Women. Read it and weep.
“Paul was wrong,” is tha actual quote. Ready to correct yourself?
Nope. Our loving and forgiving God knows that the universe He created isn't ABC123 any longer. Jesus said, "Love one another" and show love to His Father's creation.Quote:
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He didn't say, "Accept anything, and ignore Paul if he doesn't agree with WG's preconceived ideas." You are sadly deceived.
This is what I meant for you to correct yourself on. "You're no longer making sense and are misremembering, twisting my words and their meanings..." I twisted nothing. You said exactly what I posted. In all honesty, you should admit you were wrong in your allegation. I know you won't, but you really should.
"...twisting my words...just like you do the Bible's."
I post two dozen passages that clearly say the same message. You don't like the message, so you lash out and claim words are being twisted. We both know that is not true.
You are the devious one who is "losing" so then changes the subject and makes the discussion a personal diatribe.Quote:
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My goodness. You'd rather get mad than simply admit you were wrong. Sad.
I recall thousands of peaceful protesters on both sides of the abortion issue in the 1970s . Somehow I don't think the protests we are seeing will end as peacefully .
Pro-Choice Protesters Stormed Brett Kavanaugh's House (businessinsider.com)
I’m afraid that is true. It seems to be the volatile issue of our day. Who would have thought that defending the lives of the unborn would prove to be so enraging?
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