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  • May 7, 2022, 03:00 PM
    jlisenbe
    Because marriage requires discipline and self-denial, and we don't like that. And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men, then one of the encouragements towards marriage disappears. No-fault divorce has been another enemy of marriage.
  • May 7, 2022, 03:18 PM
    Wondergirl
    So it's the fault of women.

    Why don't men tell them no?
  • May 7, 2022, 03:29 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    So it's the fault of women.
    Who said that?

    Quote:

    Why don't men tell them no?
    We certainly should, but men tend to follow their animal instincts in such instances.
  • May 7, 2022, 03:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Who said that?

    You did, first thing.: "And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men..."

    He can't say no? His "animal instincts" take over.
  • May 7, 2022, 04:21 PM
    tomder55
    Overturning Roe is returning law making to the people's representatives away from the black robed unelected oligarchs.
  • May 7, 2022, 04:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    I did not say it was the fault of women. Many women are behaving foolishly as are many men. Both sexes should behave more responsibly.
  • May 7, 2022, 05:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Albert Ellis, the famous psychologist, said, "Don't should on yourself."

    Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.
  • May 7, 2022, 06:03 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.
    To be certain, the woman takes practically all the risks. If I was a woman, I'd be VERY careful. There are many careless, deceitful men out there. When I go to bed at night, I'm careful to lock the doors. I don't wish to take the risks of unlocked doors, and I'm not going to appeal for more caring, loving burglars. My house is my responsibility and no one else's.
  • May 7, 2022, 06:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Locking the door. Thus, a chastity belt would be most helpful.

    How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?
  • May 7, 2022, 06:16 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?
    Same way you tell if any person is deceitful. Are they manipulative? Are they honest? Do they keep their word? Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.
  • May 7, 2022, 06:25 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.
    Time, time, time. How long do I have to be with him before "it" comes out?

    When they have an end goal in sight, they are perfect gentlemen. I can tell you stories 'til the cows come home.
  • May 7, 2022, 06:33 PM
    jlisenbe
    How long? Depends on how much you value yourself.
  • May 7, 2022, 06:44 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    How long? Depends on how much you value yourself.

    But the woman hasn't yet experienced any deceit. He's very clever.
  • May 7, 2022, 07:01 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. Time, time, time. But that woman knows deceit. She need only look in her own heart.
  • May 7, 2022, 07:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yep. Time, time, time. But that woman knows deceit. She need only look in her own heart.

    Nope, she's an innocent.

    Let's you and me write a children's book about how to identify deceit in someone! Maybe we would be guests on Dr. Phil!
  • May 7, 2022, 07:10 PM
    jlisenbe
    Sure she is.
  • May 7, 2022, 07:16 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Sure she is.

    She's 15. Just started dating. Church group activities only!
  • May 7, 2022, 07:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    There are few things more devious than a teenager. You claim to be a counselor and you don’t know that???
  • May 7, 2022, 07:38 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    There are few things more devious than a teenager. You claim to be a counselor and you don’t know that???

    Not the ones I grew up with and raised and have known. Must be something in Southern cooking or parenting that makes them devious.

    I CLAIM to be a counselor????
  • May 7, 2022, 07:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    Strange that you always consider yourself to be the noble exception. Well, you won’t sell me on that nonsense. Not buying today.

    I think you read too much fiction.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Strange that you always consider yourself to be the noble exception. Well, you won’t sell me on that nonsense. Not buying today.

    I think you read too much fiction.

    Church youth group I belonged to went on all-day hikes at Letchworth State Park, Watkins Glen State Park, Niagara Falls. Also played volleyball, miniature golf, bowling, cared for our garden, learned how to make simple meals, of course Bible study, and so on. No time or opportunity to be deceitful. Similar for my sons' age groups.

    P.S. I'm a fiction writer as well as reader. And published nonfic writer.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:15 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    No time or opportunity to be deceitful. Similar for my sons' age groups.
    Sorry but just don't believe that. I was a principal for far too many years. You think that because you went on hikes and played volleyball that you weren't devious? You're the very person on this site who claimed Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers and Jesus and John were homosexual lovers, and yet you think you weren't devious???
  • May 7, 2022, 08:29 PM
    Wondergirl
    You obviously have NO idea what devious means.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    I know precisely what it means.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I know precisely what it means.

    Going on hikes etc. does not make one devious. Having an opinion different from yours does not make me devious.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    No one said any of that. I certainly didn't.
  • May 7, 2022, 08:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No one said any of that. I certainly didn't.

    Yes, and you were very devious when you said it. :-)
    Quote:

    You're the very person on this site who claimed Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers and Jesus and John were homosexual lovers, and yet you think you weren't devious???
    I didn't "claim it"; I suggested it as a possibility. That's not being devious.
  • May 7, 2022, 09:01 PM
    jlisenbe
    I never said that.

    You did claim it. It's a devious strategy to make the Bible appear to condone what it very plainly disallows.

    Good night. Been a good yet tiring day.
  • May 8, 2022, 09:13 AM
    Wondergirl
    I did NOT claim it! I threw it out as a possibility.

    And where does the Bible disallow it?
  • May 8, 2022, 11:29 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I did NOT claim it! I threw it out as a possibility.
    Even more devious. "I merely suggested it might be true!" It's trying to take both sides of the issue at the same time.

    Quote:

    And where does the Bible disallow it?
    I just posted it two or three days ago. Remember where you said Paul was wrong? And that is just one of a half dozen or so places.
  • May 8, 2022, 12:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Even more devious. "I merely suggested it might be true!" It's trying to take both sides of the issue at the same time.

    That is NOT being devious!
    Quote:

    I just posted it two or three days ago. Remember where you said Paul was wrong? And that is just one of a half dozen or so places.
    You're no longer making sense and are misremembering, twisting my words and their meanings just like you do the Bible's.
  • May 8, 2022, 12:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. Devious you are.
  • May 8, 2022, 01:00 PM
    jlisenbe
    Post 234 under Transgender Women. Read it and weep.

    “Paul was wrong,” is tha actual quote. Ready to correct yourself?
  • May 8, 2022, 01:15 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Post 234 under Transgender Women. Read it and weep.

    “Paul was wrong,” is tha actual quote. Ready to correct yourself?

    Nope. Our loving and forgiving God knows that the universe He created isn't ABC123 any longer. Jesus said, "Love one another" and show love to His Father's creation.
  • May 8, 2022, 01:45 PM
    jlisenbe
    He didn't say, "Accept anything, and ignore Paul if he doesn't agree with WG's preconceived ideas." You are sadly deceived.

    This is what I meant for you to correct yourself on. "You're no longer making sense and are misremembering, twisting my words and their meanings..." I twisted nothing. You said exactly what I posted. In all honesty, you should admit you were wrong in your allegation. I know you won't, but you really should.
  • May 8, 2022, 01:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    "...twisting my words...just like you do the Bible's."

    I post two dozen passages that clearly say the same message. You don't like the message, so you lash out and claim words are being twisted. We both know that is not true.
  • May 8, 2022, 02:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    "...twisting my words...just like you do the Bible's."

    I post two dozen passages that clearly say the same message. You don't like the message, so you lash out and claim words are being twisted. We both know that is not true.

    You are the devious one who is "losing" so then changes the subject and makes the discussion a personal diatribe.
  • May 8, 2022, 03:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    My goodness. You'd rather get mad than simply admit you were wrong. Sad.
  • May 8, 2022, 04:03 PM
    tomder55
    I recall thousands of peaceful protesters on both sides of the abortion issue in the 1970s . Somehow I don't think the protests we are seeing will end as peacefully .

    Pro-Choice Protesters Stormed Brett Kavanaugh's House (businessinsider.com)
  • May 8, 2022, 04:23 PM
    jlisenbe
    I’m afraid that is true. It seems to be the volatile issue of our day. Who would have thought that defending the lives of the unborn would prove to be so enraging?

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