What's inaccurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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What's inaccurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The description rather conveniently left out the part about bringing the baby’s body out one piece at a time. Oversight?
Not if labor and delivery result.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then it’s not a D&E.
Your website gave a very much sanitized description.
Nope, not when the mother's muscles push out the fetus. As the description said, "scraping methods can no longer be used; instead the uterus must be induced to expel the fetus, resulting in premature labor".Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are confusing the procedure you posted with what I posted. They are not the same
Even your site mentioned no delivery with a D&E.
Yet again, she posted:
After the fourteenth week of pregnancy, scraping methods can no longer be used; instead the uterus must be induced to expel the fetus, resulting in premature labor. In the saltwater method, a needle is inserted through the abdominal and uterine walls and into the amniotic sac. A portion of the amniotic fluid is removed; a saline solution is then injected between the uterine wall and the amnion, forcing their separation. After a day or so, contractions begin. The woman goes through labor and delivery to expel the fetus.
https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/abortion
It...is...not...the...same...procedure. Your own site says that. For goodness sake try reading your own link. Are you sure you were a librarian??? The description you posted above is NOT of a D&E. It even says, " In the saltwater method." NOT...A...D&E. Do you understand now?
Good grief you can be irritating with your willful obstinacy.
Good grief, Charlie! I was not posting about a D&E. (Where oh where did THAT idea get into your head???) Read the first phrase. (Here, I'll help you: "After the fourteenth week of pregnancy....") The fetus in the photo was 19 weeks. A D&E is NOT the correct procedure for aborting a fetus that old. Put your dilator and evacuator away.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I posted this on post 120 FROM YOUR LINK. That was only ten posts ago, about three hours.
Was that not clear enough for you??? You then asked about what was inaccurate, and that's been where we are in the discussion.Quote:
The dilation and curettage method, or the D&C, has been practiced since even before abortion was legalized in the US, and is now called the D&E, or dilation and evacuation. At one time a physician gradually enlarged the woman’s cervix by inserting a series of increasingly thicker rods, but now the cervix is dilated by administering medication. The physician then gently scrapes out the contents of the uterus using a spoon-like instrument called a curette.
This is the altogether inaccurate description of a D&E on that website you linked. It's preposterous.
You're really Mensa??? Good grief, Lucy.
You even posted my reply on post 125. "Then it’s not a D&E." And you actually insist that you didn't know we were talking about a D&E? Good grief.
Yeah. I've only posted seven sites that say it is, including a med school. Would you like to see more, because I can EASILY find them. You posted a site that doesn't even know what a D&E is.Quote:
A D&E is NOT the correct procedure for aborting a fetus that old.
You're really, really Mensa? Really, Lucy?
You do realize God's reading all your nastiness and putdowns and rude remarks?
There are several problems with your comment.
1. You say all the time we should not judge, but now you're judging.
2. You have been guilty of "nastiness and putdowns and rude remarks," so I don't think you are in position to be the judge. It would be the guilty trying to judge the accused.
3. It would be nice if you would at least acknowledge your mistake. How you decided we were not talking about a D&E is just beyond me.
4. I would suggest you concern yourself with what God thinks about your continued support of abortion and your continuing acceptance of any and all methods of abortion no matter how ghastly they may be in their destruction of the most innocent and defenseless human lives.
I cannot see how you arrived at this statement. "I was not posting about a D&E. (Where oh where did THAT idea get into your head???)" How could you have thought we were not discussing D&E? I just don't get it. Are you just being intentionally irritating since the facts clearly don't support your case?
I saw this posted on another site. When a person takes the flu shot, do they walk out worried about who DIDN'T take the shot, or are they just glad to be vaccinated?
there are more that 3 million flu cases in the US every year .
<sarc> I think the flu vaccine should be mandated </sarc>
I'm trying to keep up with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As I said above, I'm trying to keep up with you.Quote:
2. You have been guilty of "nastiness and putdowns and rude remarks," so I don't think you are in position to be the judge. It would be the guilty trying to judge the accused.
My quotes were that a D&E are not medically advisible after 14 weeks. The pictured fetus was 19 weeks and should be delivered, not ripped apart and scooped out.Quote:
3. It would be nice if you would at least acknowledge your mistake. How you decided we were not talking about a D&E is just beyond me.
I don't support abortion or encourage it.Quote:
4. I would suggest you concern yourself with what God thinks about your continued support of abortion and your continuing acceptance of any and all methods of abortion no matter how ghastly they may be in their destruction of the most innocent and defenseless human lives.
Again, my quotes were that a D&E are not medically advisible after 14 weeks. The pictured fetus was 19 weeks and should be delivered, not ripped apart and scooped out.Quote:
I cannot see how you arrived at this statement. "I was not posting about a D&E. (Where oh where did THAT idea get into your head???)" How could you have thought we were not discussing D&E? I just don't get it. Are you just being intentionally irritating since the facts clearly don't support your case?
They walk out hoping the flu shot developers got it right this time so the vaccinated persons are protected from the current flu variant that's running wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
that's what happens when a virus becomes endemic .... like covid will. Many infections ,few deaths because the primary way to deal with it is effective treatments .
Deaths from flu in the last 10 years ranged from 12,000 to 61,000 annually with an average of 37,000 per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Deaths from Covid-19 is approaching 700,000 and will go far past that. Annualized, the death total is over 500,000 and increasing.
To your 3,000,000 flu cases annually, so far there have been 41,200,000+ Covid-19 cases in 20 months.
Summary:
Flu cases ----------- 3,000,000
Covid cases -------- 25,000,000 (annualized from 20 months)
Flu deaths ---------- 37,000 annually
Covid deaths ------- 500,000 annually - projected to Dec. 31, 2021.
Trump began the invalid comparison between flu and Covid. It was widely debunked at the time. I'm surprised you are still using it.
Your information is just flat wrong. Seven websites say so including a med school. And I can easily find ten more if you want. Even worse, you will not even raise your voice in opposition to a baby being "ripped apart and scooped out."Quote:
My quotes were that a D&E are not medically advisible after 14 weeks. The pictured fetus was 19 weeks and should be delivered, not ripped apart and scooped out.
Yes, you do. You support it all the time.Quote:
I don't support abortion or encourage it.
Physician, heal thyself.Quote:
I'm trying to keep up with you.
We are discussing abortion, how it's done. This is not a "post your beliefs" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have never stated that I agree with it and support it.Quote:
Yes, you do. You support it all the time.
Oh? Is that how you explain this? "That would be a lot on the plate of a 15 y/o girl. Up at night with a squalling infant. Breastfeeding or bottle feeding? Doctor visits. The new mom wants to go to school events, dances, go on dates, has to do homework, go to the library after school. She and her parents may be shunned by other students and neighbors and church members because she is an unmarried mother. And on and on." What did that have to do with how abortions are done?Quote:
We are discussing abortion, how it's done. This is not a "post your beliefs" thread.
Yep. It's the ever popular "straddle the fence" option. Miss Evasion strikes again.Quote:
I have never stated that I agree with it and support it.
It was part of our discussion, Mr. Abuse to Confuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You were supporting a belief of yours that a fifteen year old girl should be able to have an abortion so she would not have to be shunned by other students or miss dances.
"Miss Evasion" should be your name. But you can show me to be wrong by simply coming out with a position on abortion instead of being evasive by straddling the fence.
Abortion was not mentioned. Do you deny "it would be a lot on the plate of a fifteen-year-old girl" to be pregnant and have a baby?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have never stated that I agree with it and support it. Thus, I do not agree with it or support it.Quote:
"Miss Evasion" should be your name. But you can show me to be wrong by simply coming out with a position on abortion instead of being evasive by straddling the fence.
It was mentioned when you first posed the question.
Of course it would. That’s why I, unlike you, say we should encourage young girls to abstain from sex until marriage.
Thus you are a fence straddler, ever fearful of taking a position. But all of your comments are pro-abortion.
Nope. I have never stated that I agree with it and support it. Thus, I do not agree with it or support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As I said, a fence straddler, for neither do you oppose it.
It's time for your nap. You're overtired.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It's time for some honesty. You're being evasive.
Good thing we elected Biden to get this Covid deal under control. Covid deaths are now nearly at two thousand per day.
‘Soul-crushing’: US COVID-19 deaths are topping 1,900 a day | News 4 Buffalo (wivb.com)
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Deaths from flu in the last 10 years ranged from 12,000 to 61,000 annually with an average of 37,000 per year.
Deaths from Covid-19 is approaching 700,000 and will go far past that. Annualized, the death total is over 500,000 and increasing.
To your 3,000,000 flu cases annually, so far there have been 41,200,000+ Covid-19 cases in 20 months.
Summary:
Flu cases ----------- 3,000,000
Covid cases -------- 25,000,000 (annualized from 20 months)
Flu deaths ---------- 37,000 annually
Covid deaths ------- 500,000 annually - projected to Dec. 31, 2021.
Trump began the invalid comparison between flu and Covid. It was widely debunked at the time. I'm surprised you are still using it.
you missed the point .I was NOT comparing the covid pandemic of today with the annual flu .I was comparing the inevitable covid endemic of the future with the current annual flu endemic .
Covid will not disappear and any expectation that it will is delusional .The more realistic view is that ]enough people will gain immune protection from vaccination and from natural infection such that there will be less transmission and much a less COVID in terms of hospitalization and death .
You know this is a fact because the vaccines loose effectiveness real quick ;within a couple of months . The strongest immunity is in those who have had the virus and the vaccine.
Vaccines are a part of the answer . But the constant dismissals of effective therapeutics is what is driving up the death rate ..
The 1918 flu ,the 1957 flu ,the 1968 flu ,the 2009 swine flu all were pandemic that turned into endemics . As virus' matures they become less deadly . They are not trying to kill their host . That would be self defeating .
Evasive?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If only those fundie Southern white guys (and their wives) would get those darn covid vaccinations and wear masks and stop waving their arms around, "God will protect me."Quote:
Good thing we elected Biden to get this Covid deal under control. Covid deaths are now nearly at two thousand per day.
The largest demographic that has so called vaccine hesitancy is American Blacks . And I don't blame them at all for their mistrust of the medical community .Quote:
If only those fundie Southern white guys (and their wives) would get those darn covid vaccinations and wear masks and stop waving their arms around, "God will protect me."
Good point, tomder. My sis is in SC where ivermectin is the drug of choice. And no masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
My goodness! What a racist statement, especially considering that it's not even correct. Shaaammmmeee!Quote:
If only those fundie Southern white guys (and their wives)
Thank goodness for the Trump vaccine.
Not if I'm white too and am still part of that cohort. I know them too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
...which he received three months after he had been hospitalized with covid....Quote:
Thank goodness for the Trump vaccine.
You are prejudiced against white conservative Christians. In this case you were wrong. Isn’t it terrible what prejudice does? It causes a person to indict an entire group of people falsely.
If this was your point, you missed making it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Flat out wrong. Your opposition to vaccines and masking is deadly.Quote:
the vaccines loose effectiveness real quick ;within a couple of months
No prejudice. I'm still part of that cohort.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Falsely? They refuse to be vaccinated, refuse to wear masks, refuse to social distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The infamous “they”. Sure sign of prejudice, yes?
They are the most ignorant religious group in the nation. Among other proofs, is that they are the largest demographic that voted for Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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