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  • Nov 23, 2020, 02:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    I would think the why of Revelation would be pretty clear. The Apostle John is in exile on a small island and has an incredible vision of Jesus, of heaven, and of the future. Nothing else short, I suppose, of Daniel or Isaiah can match it's depth of revelation, so quite naturally it was written. In fact, John was commanded to write it. Now a person can say that John was drunk, or depressed, or even psychotic, but he clearly did not see it that way. I can find no reason at all to suppose it was written in code, nor do I see any reason to suppose it was written after the events it describes. In fact, that would seem to be an absurd position, as would be the suggestion that someone other than John wrote the book at some point in the second century. But if you can explain why a person should believe that, then I'm all ears. Just please, please don't tell us that you have already done so because you absolutely have not.
  • Nov 23, 2020, 03:27 PM
    Wondergirl
    I was waiting for the other shoe to drop....
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:21 AM
    talaniman
    Never give JL a shoe to beat you over the head with.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Never give JL a shoe to beat you over the head with.
    Learn to be accurate and honest.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:48 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Learn to be accurate and honest.

    ...Or get beat upside the head?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 12:04 PM
    jlisenbe
    Like you frequently do to me? 8D
  • Nov 24, 2020, 12:11 PM
    talaniman
    Only when you're NASTY.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 12:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    We have an old saying here that I imagine you have heard. "Don't pxss in your boot, pour it on my head, and then try to tell me it's raining." That's where I am with a lot of this. If you make a point that you can't support, then just admit it. Not a big deal. But try and tell me it's raining??? That does not go well.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 02:47 PM
    talaniman
    No evidence is good enough for you, and you tend to get nasty and dismissive when you don't agree with someone. Can't you just disagree and leave it at that?

    You should assume that people are peeing on your head on purpose...maybe it is raining. We're just conversating, not invading your backyard and stealing the lawn furniture.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 02:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    No evidence
    So far that is what has been presented.

    Quote:

    and you tend to get nasty and dismissive when you don't agree with someone. Can't you just disagree and leave it at that?
    You mean like you do?
    Quote:

    I enjoyed my turn to bash the powers that be at the time.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 05:02 AM
    paraclete
    so you think that the contributors here are the powers that be?
  • Nov 25, 2020, 05:15 AM
    talaniman
    Do you feel I have bashed you personally?
  • Nov 25, 2020, 05:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Do you feel I have bashed you personally?
    Do I really need to go back to the "head up the Dufus's arse" comments, or would you rather stop the silliness and just be honest? I'm not going to go back and comb your hundreds of past comments, and I'm not worried about it, but yeah, you have been personal in the past. We've bashed each other some. Not so much recently, but in the past.

    As for me "bashing" someone, I don't think asking a person to be honest and open rather than evasive is bashing. When a person wants to say she has answered a question when both of us know she has not, then to point it out is just part of a discussion to me, and not so much "bashing". To treat a person like an intelligent, accomplished adult fully capable of rational discussion just does not strike me as bashing, but I will try and temper my comments with greater kindness in the future. I am aware they do not come across frequently as I intend them to do. I do not mind you calling me to task, but for you to try and portray yourself as "Mr. Objectivity" on this board would seem to be quite a stretch.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 11:06 AM
    talaniman
    I have my biases like everybody else but you wingers get my goat sometimes. Especially YOU with your incessant insistence of "evidence" while having none of your own. Now if you think it's okay to be on the attack then best be ready to get it back and then some. I was hoping that the dufus getting booted out the WH would move you to extricate your head from his arse or at least stop kicking when someone grabs your ankles to pull you free, so I try to give you space for that, but you're right I'm not the most objective, though I do try, but what do you expect when you talk crazy and act NASTY?

    PS.

    My query was directed at Clete.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 12:51 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post


    My query was directed at Clete.


    I wasn't really responding to you tal but to jl but the question still stands do you think the contributors here are the powers that be?
  • Nov 25, 2020, 12:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    I understand Tal. No one likes it when we get our mail read.

    you really want to be critical of someone else “talking crazy and acting nasty”? Hmmm.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 06:21 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I wasn't really responding to you tal but to jl but the question still stands do you think the contributors here are the powers that be?

    Naw, just a bunch of folks with opinions and points of view.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I understand Tal. No one likes it when we get our mail read.

    you really want to be critical of someone else “talking crazy and acting nasty”? Hmmm.

    Yep! Can't handle the heat................!
  • Nov 25, 2020, 06:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Yep! Can't handle the heat................!
    Oh, sometimes you can. Don't be too hard on yourself.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 07:22 PM
    talaniman
    Making the dufus a one term president made the kitchen a much cooler place. Getting rid of his cult of sycophants and butt kissers is a breath of fresh air. No time to celebrate though as cleaning up the mess of another repub prez won't be that easy for ole Joe, as the dufus has already started to pardon the turkeys while he dithers with the sickness and death ravaging the country.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 08:26 PM
    jlisenbe
    In the meantime, you have the sterling displays of Covid character from the Calif. gov and the Denver mayor to "boast" of. Both dems, I might add. As to the rest, we'll see whether you choose to fit into the "cult of sycophants and butt kissers" yourself. When your "ole Joe" starts to mess up, as he will, then your response will be interesting.
  • Nov 26, 2020, 06:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone this morning. We certainly have much to be thankful for.
  • Nov 26, 2020, 08:30 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    In the meantime, you have the sterling displays of Covid character from the Calif. gov and the Denver mayor to "boast" of. Both dems, I might add. As to the rest, we'll see whether you choose to fit into the "cult of sycophants and butt kissers" yourself. When your "ole Joe" starts to mess up, as he will, then your response will be interesting.

    Such actions by elected leaders is despicable and to much like repubs who I have railed against. Yes it will be interesting to see if Joe can toe the line with consistent discipline and empathy and good orderly direction when he actually takes office.

    Have a happy safe holiday everyone and yes we should all be grateful despite the situation as it is.
  • Nov 26, 2020, 04:41 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    . Yes it will be interesting to see if Joe can toe the line with consistent discipline and empathy and good orderly direction when he actually takes office.

    .

    already you are expressing doubts of the ability of your beloved leader and he hasn't even struck the first blow
  • Nov 26, 2020, 05:52 PM
    talaniman
    I'm a realist and don't put humans on pedestals nor ignore the enormity of the challenge we face or the dufus screwing stuff up in his final days.
  • Nov 26, 2020, 08:21 PM
    paraclete
    Trump has said he will accept the electoral college vote so just the formalities and it is over, but Trump might withdraw all american troops from Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and anywhere else their presence is no longer welcome. I wonder what traps he has lain for the unwary
  • Nov 26, 2020, 08:42 PM
    Wondergirl
    "In his long list of harmful decisions to address, President-elect Biden
    should start by restoring Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand-Staircase national monuments — eviscerated and reduced by 85 and 50 percent respectively at the behest of extraction-obsessed Utah politicians. He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging). The new president will have to once again close marine sanctuaries to commercial fishing."
    https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...r-public-lands
  • Nov 26, 2020, 08:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    "In his long list of harmful decisions to address, President-elect Biden
    should start by restoring Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand-Staircase national monuments — eviscerated and reduced by 85 and 50 percent respectively at the behest of extraction-obsessed Utah politicians. He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging). The new president will have to once again close marine sanctuaries to commercial fishing."
    https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...r-public-lands
    Who did this statement originate with?
  • Nov 27, 2020, 05:56 AM
    paraclete
    sounds like Biden will destroy livlihoods
  • Nov 27, 2020, 06:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging).
    A definite over-reaction. Drilling on Alaska's North Slope has clearly shown that oil and gas production can nicely coexist with protecting wilderness areas. The amount of land affected is so relatively small that it is negligible. As to the Tongass, the directive is not going to result in stripping the Tongass of all old-growth wood. The directive actually involved the building of logging roads and not the harvesting of timber. The amount of wood cut, which has been going on for decades, is not anticipated to increase. "Even though 9.2 million acres of inventoried roadless areas would be freed from the roadless rule, only 185,000 acres would be added to the areas that may be considered for timber harvest, the Forest Service said.Overall harvest projections remain at 17,000 acres of old growth and 11,800 acres of young growth over the next 100 years, levels envisioned in the 2016 Tongass land management plan.
    "The proposed rule does not change the projected timber sale quantity or timber demand projections set out in the Tongass Forest Plan," the Forest Service said in the documents. "The alternatives examine different mixes of land areas and timber restrictions that would incrementally increase management flexibility for how the forest plan's timber harvest goals can be achieved, but does not fundamentally alter the plan's underlying goals or projected outcomes."
    The Forest Service also said it's not changing its most recent conclusion that an annual harvest of 45 million board feet of timber from the Tongass is "reasonable, conservative, and based on the best available information."

    https://www.eenews.net/stories/1061400273
  • Nov 27, 2020, 06:35 PM
    paraclete
    yes there is much misinformation on environment issues, the green lobby doesn't want a tree cut, a mine, or a well anywhere
  • Nov 27, 2020, 07:58 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    yes there is much misinformation on environment issues, the green lobby doesn't want a tree cut, a mine, or a well anywhere

    I've been to many national parks and public lands in our beautiful western states and don't want oil rigs and big trucks and fracking between and among the breathtaking arches and spires and in the canyons have moved in.
  • Nov 27, 2020, 09:29 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I've been to many national parks and public lands in our beautiful western states and don't want oil rigs and big trucks and fracking between and among the breathtaking arches and spires and in the canyons have moved in.
    I'll bet you've never been to Tangass or ANWR. Very few people have. Managing national resources doesn't mean you never cut a tree down or bore a hole. It means exercising common sense so that those lands adequately serve a number of purposes.
  • Nov 28, 2020, 10:26 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Managing national resources doesn't mean you never cut a tree down or bore a hole. It means exercising common sense so that those lands adequately serve a number of purposes.

    Managing natural resources doesn't mean cutting them down and drilling them out, meanwhile despoiling the land. Have you ever been to Bryce or Zion or the Grand Canyon? (I can hear you now, "Oh, look at this enormous hole -- perfect as a landfill!")
  • Nov 28, 2020, 10:40 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Managing natural resources doesn't mean cutting them down and drilling them out,
    Of course it does. National forest are logged frequently. One of the problems we are having in the west is the forests that are never logged end up with a lot of dead wood either standing or on the ground, and burn like a furnace when fires start. It is actually good for forests to manage them properly. And if there is oil or gas under fed land, why on earth would we not get it? It is done with very little disruption to the landscape. It is certainly much less disruptive that those windmills and solar panel farms that are being put up. Are you against those as well?

    It is just your kind of waayyyy over the top environmentalism that we need to avoid like the plague.

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    Have you ever been to Bryce or Zion or the Grand Canyon? (I can hear you now, "Oh, look at this enormous hole -- perfect as a landfill!")
    No one is suggesting we log the GC. It is national forests that are primarily in discussion. Are you getting your arguments from AOC?

    The last time you went to the North Slope of Alaska, did you notice the oil wells and pipelines???
  • Nov 28, 2020, 11:43 AM
    talaniman
    Let's be practical and examine the real time market forces on drilling the North Slope, starting with this

    Alaska Ballot Measure 1, North Slope Oil Production Tax Increase Initiative (2020) - Ballotpedia

    and considering the market forces that stopped the drilling in the first place.

    Alaska Journal | ConocoPhillips to resume drilling in December

    Quote:

    The price for Alaska North Slope crude averaged $16.55 per barrel in April, according to the state Revenue Department. Oil prices have rebounded since and are generally stable in the $40 per barrel range .
    As noted in the article the dufus drill baby drill policy may not be the policy going forward, since the dufus got booted.

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